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[BirKibrisli]

Birkibrisli, just tell him to go to hell.

If all the racists and bigots end up in Hell,Bananiot,Hell would become quite intolerable...And who knows, they might become our neighbours there too!! wink:

[BirKibrisli]

I think if anyone is going to post here and beg understanding for the "fearful" position the TCs have been put in, under the hands of the "evil" GCs; they'd better have some evidence to back up the enormity of these charges. That might mean statistics!

And, if anyone is going to come here and accuse the RoC of driving out 10s of thousands of TCs, then he'd better have some evidence to back up such "statistics" ... and I don't mean the 60 TCs who left one time.

So you see, when the TCs come here and play the exaggeration game ... suddenly it's the statistics which are the "problem" and not their exaggerating minds which turn an 11% minority into a 40% land-grabbing tyrant.

And as for an analogy in relative merits of numbers .... Personally, I don't believe in capital punishment for a murderer who made a "mistake" once, maybe twice, maybe in defence. But, when a murderer has enjoyed himself so much that he has stretched to being a serial killer on a killing spree .... well, what can I say?

The TCs' exaggerations would be a joke, if they weren't so harmful to humanity.

The Joke is,Oracle,that all your arguments are based on oversimplifications or overgeneralisations,whichever suits you at the time...

And please don't put words in my mouth. I never used the word "evil" about the GCs,not once in all my 5 years (sorry,4 years and 4 months,before you accuse me of exaggerating again!)...Prove it otherwise and I will eat my car! And I have never claimed that the number of TCs who might have left Cyprus between 1963-74 is the only statistics which you need to consider when judging the Cyprus problem....

Twisting my arguments,and putting words in my mouth, will not disprove my point that you simply cannot reduce this issue to mere statistics! That will not stop you from trying of course! Your persistent efforts to brand a whole nation and a whole community murderous thieves makes this post of yours a laughing matter....

Well, first of all I didn't put words into any one person's mouth as I didn't quote anyone. But, clearly you saw something in my comments with which you are familiar.

Instead of telling me I generalise, why don't you provide some evidence to back up your exaggerations! Appealing to us accepting your personal anecdotes for 60 TCs and then extrapolating to 10's of thousands doesn't wash with this (ex) scientist!

Now close your eyes and try to think, Ms ex-scientist...If on one ship (it was Australis by the way,a lovely ship from Chandris Lines!),in one month there were 60 TCs going to Australia,which was not by far the most popular destination,how many TCs might have left Cyprus during 1963-74,say in 130 months ??? Include England and Canada and South Africa as well...And don't forget air travel....I will give you a clue,if you say 61 you will be wrong...

[Bananiot]

Quality is also important, not just quantity. The TC's that left in those turbulant years were mostly trying to escape TMT and the Greek paramilitarists. They were being hunted down because of their political views. They were the best in the TC society.

1955 - 1960, saw the exit of tens of thousands GC's who mainly fled EOKA, the organisation that waged an armed struggle against the Brits but killed more GC's than the supposed enemy. Again, these were the best GC's that were forced to seek a life abroad.

The GC's and TC's that were forced to leave home, could have created a Cyprus that would have been a shining example of mutual trust, friendship, solidarity and prosperity for all. That is why they were chased away, by the same nationalists that scheme to this day against our common country.

[DT.]

Quality is also important, not just quantity. The TC's that left in those turbulant years were mostly trying to escape TMT and the Greek paramilitarists. They were being hunted down because of their political views. They were the best in the TC society.

1955 - 1960, saw the exit of tens of thousands GC's who mainly fled EOKA, the organisation that waged an armed struggle against the Brits but killed more GC's than the supposed enemy. Again, these were the best GC's that were forced to seek a life abroad.

The GC's and TC's that were forced to leave home, could have created a Cyprus that would have been a shining example of mutual trust, friendship, solidarity and prosperity for all. That is why they were chased away, by the same nationalists that scheme to this day against our common country.

I'm sure the GC's that accepted the offers of a new life from the English in the 50's in exchange for turning in a couple of 17 year old EOKA fighters would have been the backbone of this country had they stuck around. Rat on your neighbour to the colonial power, betray you country and you shall be rewarded with anonymity, money and a new life.

Not all that left were our "great" ones Bananiot, some were downright traitors (roufianoi).

[Bananiot]

Rubbish, all betrayals were made by EOKA sympathisers who could give inside information to the Brits. This has been very well documented in a number of publications. It is also a fact that not a single leftist was given a new life form in the UK, that was the prerogative of people of your ideology DT, money above all. Marxists had, especially in those days, higher ideals, of a new world, where people were equal and the exploitation of man by man ended.

[DT.]

Rubbish, all betrayals were made by EOKA sympathisers who could give inside information to the Brits. This has been very well documented in a number of publications. It is also a fact that not a single leftist was given a new life form in the UK, that was the prerogative of people of your ideology DT, money above all. Marxists had, especially in those days, higher ideals, of a new world, where people were equal and the exploitation of man by man ended.

here we go again with your "somewhere over the rainbow" theories about leftists.

Its amazing how you can be s idealistic about a group of people that didn't unserstand what marxism was (still don't) and yet preach on about how the Cyprus problem must be seen through the eyes of cold pragmatism and not ideology, passion or patriotism.

[Bananiot]

What? We are talking about people like Ploutis Servas, Andreas Ziartides, Adam Adamantos, Ozger Ozgur, Ahmet Sadi, Kavazoglu, just to mention a few. These were great thinkers and excellent political analysers. They even predicted the inebitable defeat for Cyprus of the armed struggle. These were people with ideals shared by many in western Europe at the time and they were able to appeal to the masses. How do you think the left grew so much in Cyprus, when it was fired upon from all sides, the Brits, TMT, EOKA?

[DT.]

What? We are talking about people like Ploutis Servas, Andreas Ziartides, Adam Adamantos, Ozger Ozgur, Ahmet Sadi, Kavazoglu, just to mention a few. These were great thinkers and excellent political analysers. They even predicted the inebitable defeat for Cyprus of the armed struggle. These were people with ideals shared by many in western Europe at the time and they were able to appeal to the masses. How do you think the left grew so much in Cyprus, when it was fired upon from all sides, the Brits, TMT, EOKA?

Do you know how many 1000's left Cyprus those days and you're telling me about Kavazoglou and Ziartides??????

[Bananiot]

I know exactly how many left and I suggest you come to grips with the real reasons hy they left and stop attaching "traitor" labels on them. The village of Koma tou Yialou, for example, where EOKA murdered three leftist youth, was bigger in ... London than in Cyprus and guess what, the vast majority were AKEL supporters.

People were driven to exile DT by the murdering fanatics that some years later destroyed Cyprus.

[Bananiot]

See below for same subject discussed in 2005.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20