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[BirKibrisli]

I think if anyone is going to post here and beg understanding for the "fearful" position the TCs have been put in, under the hands of the "evil" GCs; they'd better have some evidence to back up the enormity of these charges. That might mean statistics!

And, if anyone is going to come here and accuse the RoC of driving out 10s of thousands of TCs, then he'd better have some evidence to back up such "statistics" ... and I don't mean the 60 TCs who left one time.

So you see, when the TCs come here and play the exaggeration game ... suddenly it's the statistics which are the "problem" and not their exaggerating minds which turn an 11% minority into a 40% land-grabbing tyrant.

And as for an analogy in relative merits of numbers .... Personally, I don't believe in capital punishment for a murderer who made a "mistake" once, maybe twice, maybe in defence. But, when a murderer has enjoyed himself so much that he has stretched to being a serial killer on a killing spree .... well, what can I say?

The TCs' exaggerations would be a joke, if they weren't so harmful to humanity.

The Joke is,Oracle,that all your arguments are based on oversimplifications or overgeneralisations,whichever suits you at the time...

And please don't put words in my mouth. I never used the word "evil" about the GCs,not once in all my 5 years (sorry,4 years and 4 months,before you accuse me of exaggerating again!)...Prove it otherwise and I will eat my car! And I have never claimed that the number of TCs who might have left Cyprus between 1963-74 is the only statistics which you need to consider when judging the Cyprus problem....

Twisting my arguments,and putting words in my mouth, will not disprove my point that you simply cannot reduce this issue to mere statistics! That will not stop you from trying of course! Your persistent efforts to brand a whole nation and a whole community murderous thieves makes this post of yours a laughing matter....

[BirKibrisli]

All that matters is the end result…

Greek Cypriot casualties: 5,000 odd.

Turkish Cypriot casualties: 200 odd.

…because everything else is this -->

Really??? so statistics are only what matters,GR???

So if a man is unfaithful to his wife 2000 times and the wife unfaithful to him 200 times (or vice versa),all is sweet???? The man is the only one to blame, because he did it more times???? Is that the only criteria you will be using to analyse this relationship,GR???

Don't you think it is a bit simplistic???

I can tell you what I think of your theory but I doubt you'll be very happy...

But don't you think looking just to the "end results" a bit simplistic in evaluating a complicated issue as the Cyprob...????

Bir, your argument would hold more water if these crimes weren't being committed today as we speak. 200,000 GC's are being kept from their homes TODAY by 40,000 Turkish troops.

I know,DT,and that is a crying shame...I am just sick of people who have no empathy with the TC suffering and loss in Cyprus,and keep repeating insults and oversimplifications or over generalisations to try to prove their point...You are not one of those,and I appreciate your more considered attitude,more compassionate approach to our own modern "Greek/Turkish" tragedy...

[BirKibrisli]

You obviously didn't read my post.

I used a valid analogy

Your analogy is not valid simply because you assert that it is valid. In fact I think it is invalid. If your analogy is simply meant to show that "comparing two numbers may not necessarily be valid", well yes, I guess your analogy is valid, but then it's a stupid analogy because it's easier to just say that comparing two numbers is not necessarily valid.

Nothing you said above is relevant to my point

If you say so.

I say so,james... the fact that you think my analogy is invalid does not make it so... I am just giving GR a bit of his own medicine...He is a big boy,he can defend his own posts, no need for you to jump in...

[james_mav]

the fact that you think my analogy is invalid does not make it so

Correct. Similarly, your analogy is not valid just because you say it's valid. Since you introduced an analogy, the onus is on you to convince that it's valid.

Of course you could just continue talking bullshit like pretty much every other member of your race.

[bluelagoon33]

boaring

[Bananiot]

Birkibrisli, just tell him to go to hell.

[YFred]

the fact that you think my analogy is invalid does not make it so

Correct. Similarly, your analogy is not valid just because you say it's valid. Since you introduced an analogy, the onus is on you to convince that it's valid.

Of course you could just continue talking bullshit like pretty much every other member of your race.

Reh Mavrollagi, get stuffed like a good turkey, it is Xmass after all.

[Oracle]

I think if anyone is going to post here and beg understanding for the "fearful" position the TCs have been put in, under the hands of the "evil" GCs; they'd better have some evidence to back up the enormity of these charges. That might mean statistics!

And, if anyone is going to come here and accuse the RoC of driving out 10s of thousands of TCs, then he'd better have some evidence to back up such "statistics" ... and I don't mean the 60 TCs who left one time.

So you see, when the TCs come here and play the exaggeration game ... suddenly it's the statistics which are the "problem" and not their exaggerating minds which turn an 11% minority into a 40% land-grabbing tyrant.

And as for an analogy in relative merits of numbers .... Personally, I don't believe in capital punishment for a murderer who made a "mistake" once, maybe twice, maybe in defence. But, when a murderer has enjoyed himself so much that he has stretched to being a serial killer on a killing spree .... well, what can I say?

The TCs' exaggerations would be a joke, if they weren't so harmful to humanity.

The Joke is,Oracle,that all your arguments are based on oversimplifications or overgeneralisations,whichever suits you at the time...

And please don't put words in my mouth. I never used the word "evil" about the GCs,not once in all my 5 years (sorry,4 years and 4 months,before you accuse me of exaggerating again!)...Prove it otherwise and I will eat my car! And I have never claimed that the number of TCs who might have left Cyprus between 1963-74 is the only statistics which you need to consider when judging the Cyprus problem....

Twisting my arguments,and putting words in my mouth, will not disprove my point that you simply cannot reduce this issue to mere statistics! That will not stop you from trying of course! Your persistent efforts to brand a whole nation and a whole community murderous thieves makes this post of yours a laughing matter....

Well, first of all I didn't put words into any one person's mouth as I didn't quote anyone. But, clearly you saw something in my comments with which you are familiar.

Instead of telling me I generalise, why don't you provide some evidence to back up your exaggerations! Appealing to us accepting your personal anecdotes for 60 TCs and then extrapolating to 10's of thousands doesn't wash with this (ex) scientist!

[Expatkiwi]

Instead of telling me I generalise, why don't you provide some evidence to back up your exaggerations! Appealing to us accepting your personal anecdotes for 60 TCs and then extrapolating to 10's of thousands doesn't wash with this (ex) scientist!

Oracle, you were a scientologist? That explains a lot!

[BirKibrisli]

the fact that you think my analogy is invalid does not make it so

Correct. Similarly, your analogy is not valid just because you say it's valid. Since you introduced an analogy, the onus is on you to convince that it's valid.

Of course you could just continue talking bullshit like pretty much every other member of your race.

Now your prejudice and racism is showing,dear james...