Cyprus-Forum.com

[Tim Drayton]

This question of the 'bathtub massacres' has been debated at great length on a number of threads here, e.g.:

http://69.16.253.89/cyprus9643-50.html

Expatkiwi may not be aware of this, but there was a lot of debate about this event the Turkish Cypriot press a couple of years ago. It seems that the photographer who took the famous picture has now admitted that the babies were moved into the bathtub and carefully positioned to produce a good propaganda photograph. The precise circumstances of their death, to my mind, remains a mystery. Whoever killed these young children committed a heinous act.

If you want to ask about a documented event, why not instead raise the killing of a Turkish Cypriot family of seven in their home in Liveras in March 1964? This event is described in detail on pages 225-228 of Martin Packard's book "Getting It Wrong", which is an eyewitness account of the time he spent on the island as a peacekeeper.

[Paphitis]

On a previous thread, I made an inquiry about a place in North Nicosia called "The Museum of Barbarism". From certain forum folk, I got evasions and counter-accusations. But this quote from Paphitis got my attention:

Listen here mate, no one is denying that there were victims on both sides, but you need to look back and objectively look at who instigated and who started the inter-communal violence in the first place, and then ask yourself WHY!

I have read enough about the finger-pointing from both sides as to who started the Cyprus Problem, but regardess of who started it, innocents on both sides suffered, and the enuring bitterness over these 'events' is what is keeping the Cyprus Problem from being resolved.

You need to do some reading!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... an&start=0

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... im&start=0

[boomerang]

This question of the 'bathtub massacres' has been debated at great length on a number of threads here, e.g.:

http://69.16.253.89/cyprus9643-50.html

Expatkiwi may not be aware of this, but there was a lot of debate about this event the Turkish Cypriot press a couple of years ago. It seems that the photographer who took the famous picture has now admitted that the babies were moved into the bathtub and carefully positioned to produce a good propaganda photograph. The precise circumstances of their death, to my mind, remains a mystery. Whoever killed these young children committed a heinous act.

If you want to ask about a documented event, why not instead raise the killing of a Turkish Cypriot family of seven in their home in Liveras in March 1964? This event is described in detail on pages 225-228 of Martin Packard's book "Getting It Wrong", which is an eyewitness account of the time he spent on the island as a peacekeeper.

expat only reads propaganda books and turns a blind eye to facts...this is why I insisted on the eyewitness account...and strangely enough never even heard of the eyewitness account and expat after looking at the, pictures he didn't see the arrangement of the bodies...his blind hatred of anything GC prevents him from doing so...

I agree with you...attrocities did happen on many occassions from both sides...there is no point denying this...

[boomerang]

On a previous thread, I made an inquiry about a place in North Nicosia called "The Museum of Barbarism". From certain forum folk, I got evasions and counter-accusations. But this quote from Paphitis got my attention:

Listen here mate, no one is denying that there were victims on both sides, but you need to look back and objectively look at who instigated and who started the inter-communal violence in the first place, and then ask yourself WHY!

I have read enough about the finger-pointing from both sides as to who started the Cyprus Problem, but regardess of who started it, innocents on both sides suffered, and the enuring bitterness over these 'events' is what is keeping the Cyprus Problem from being resolved.

You need to do some reading!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... an&start=0

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... im&start=0

lifelines?...

[Tim Drayton]

[...]
I agree with you...attrocities did happen on many occassions from both sides...there is no point denying this...

Sure, that is the only point I want to make. The time has come to move on, but this can't be done from a position of total denial.

[Paphitis]

[...]
I agree with you...attrocities did happen on many occassions from both sides...there is no point denying this...

Sure, that is the only point I want to make. The time has come to move on, but this can't be done from a position of total denial.

The GCs don't deny the fact that some atrocities have been committed by both sides.

It is the TCs that exaggerate the truth and tell blatant lies in an effort to maintain the division of Cyprus. It is they that will not move on, because it is they who demand more political rights than their GC "compatriots" and a Treaty of Guarantee!

It is all self evident Tim who the recalcitrant is. The RoC gives the TCs countless benefits, whilst some 40,000 are not even allowed to return to Ammochostos.

[Tim Drayton]

[...]
I agree with you...attrocities did happen on many occassions from both sides...there is no point denying this...

Sure, that is the only point I want to make. The time has come to move on, but this can't be done from a position of total denial.

The GCs don't deny the fact that some atrocities have been committed by both sides.

It is the TCs that exagerate the truth and tell blatant lies in an effort to maintain the division of Cyprus. It is they that will not move on, because it is they who demand more political rights than their GC "compatriots" and a Treaty of Guarantee!

I beg to differ. I think there is a lot of denial in both communities.

[Paphitis]

[...]
I agree with you...attrocities did happen on many occassions from both sides...there is no point denying this...

Sure, that is the only point I want to make. The time has come to move on, but this can't be done from a position of total denial.

The GCs don't deny the fact that some atrocities have been committed by both sides.

It is the TCs that exagerate the truth and tell blatant lies in an effort to maintain the division of Cyprus. It is they that will not move on, because it is they who demand more political rights than their GC "compatriots" and a Treaty of Guarantee!

I beg to differ. I think there is a lot of denial in both communities.

Not at all. The RoC has come to terms with its demons and this is why we afford and give the TCs many benefits whilst they spit in our faces!

[Tim Drayton]

[...]
I agree with you...attrocities did happen on many occassions from both sides...there is no point denying this...

Sure, that is the only point I want to make. The time has come to move on, but this can't be done from a position of total denial.

The GCs don't deny the fact that some atrocities have been committed by both sides.

It is the TCs that exagerate the truth and tell blatant lies in an effort to maintain the division of Cyprus. It is they that will not move on, because it is they who demand more political rights than their GC "compatriots" and a Treaty of Guarantee!

I beg to differ. I think there is a lot of denial in both communities.

Not at all. The RoC has come to terms with its demons and this is why we afford and give the TCs many benefits whilst they spit in our faces!

According to Martin Packard, the police at Myrtou police station 'declined to take an interest' when the cold blooded murder of a Turkish Cypriot family of seven in their own home in Liveras in 1964 was reported to them. There is no statute of limitations on murder in the RoC, and it seems that no investigation was ever conducted into this offence. Those responsible for this murder may well still be alive and have got off scot-free. If what you say above is true, a belated investigation should be launched into this and similar events with a view to identifying the culprits. Is this ever going to happen? The truth is that the demons still lurk.

[Paphitis]

[...]
I agree with you...attrocities did happen on many occassions from both sides...there is no point denying this...

Sure, that is the only point I want to make. The time has come to move on, but this can't be done from a position of total denial.

The GCs don't deny the fact that some atrocities have been committed by both sides.

It is the TCs that exagerate the truth and tell blatant lies in an effort to maintain the division of Cyprus. It is they that will not move on, because it is they who demand more political rights than their GC "compatriots" and a Treaty of Guarantee!

I beg to differ. I think there is a lot of denial in both communities.

Not at all. The RoC has come to terms with its demons and this is why we afford and give the TCs many benefits whilst they spit in our faces!

According to Martin Packard, the police at Myrtou police station 'declined to take an interest' when the cold blooded murder of a Turkish Cypriot family of seven in their own home in Liveras in 1964 was reported to them. There is no statute of limitations on murder in the RoC, and it seems that no investigation was ever conducted into this offence. Those responsible for this murder may well still be alive and have got off scot-free. If what you say above is true, a belated investigation should be launched into this and similar events with a view to identifying the culprits. Is this ever going to happen? The truth is that the demons still lurk.

I don't disagree that many things like that should be investigated.

As to whether it is going to happen or not is a very difficult question to answer.

I guess it all depends on the availability of evidence and whether an investigation can take place after so many years. Perhaps the perpetrators are known and have passed on. Who knows.

Maybe the perpetrators were not even GC, as the TMT was also known to commit similar atrocities against their own.

I don't think you will find many GCs who would not like to see many such matters resolved as soon as possible.