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[cannedmoose]

A touching picture of ManOWar and Chomskyfan



I see you continue the ancient Greek tradition of manlove even to this day... well done... you are indeed bastions of Hellenism.

[ChomskyFan]

Greeks invented Civilization itself.

[ManoWAR]

A touching picture of ManOWar and Chomskyfan



I see you continue the ancient Greek tradition of manlove even to this day... well done... you are indeed bastions of Hellenism.

cannedmoose, Do you know who are the guys on that pic?
If you knew, you would wish to be one of them!

As for homosexuality, the history of your country, England is full of it!

[cannedmoose]

Yes, it is Nikolaos Siranidis and Thomas Bimis... those world famous synchronised divers... Greece is still good at something without drug-enhancement it seems...

I saw an interesting programme yesterday which revisited Athens a year on from the Olympics. Most of the facilities sit idle, costing Greek taxpayers 120m Euro a year just to maintain. Future-use planning was sacrificed on the altar of needing to throw up facilities as quickly as possible because of the lax attitude Greece had to the games. Two things Greece didn't give to the world, efficiency and planning.

[ChomskyFan]

Yes, it is Nikolaos Siranidis and Thomas Bimis... those world famous synchronised divers... Greece is still good at something without drug-enhancement it seems...

I saw an interesting programme yesterday which revisited Athens a year on from the Olympics. Most of the facilities sit idle, costing Greek taxpayers 120m Euro a year just to maintain. Future-use planning was sacrificed on the altar of needing to throw up facilities as quickly as possible because of the lax attitude Greece had to the games. Two things Greece didn't give to the world, efficiency and planning.

Actually if you have ever been to Athens you would realize that it has got a hell of a lot better after Olympics, Pedestrainized Areas, Subway, Streets are generally nicer..... It came at a cost, but it is nicer.

You want me to bring up all your great sprinters *linford christie* cough *Dwain Chambers*. English Empire was the only empire in the World that gave nothing to anybody, you didn't even fight any battles, you know what the African Territories grab was called? "The Race For Africa", because it was just a race between all European Powers to see how far their men could march to claim enough territories, you didn't fight any battles, you just said, 'right this our land', and the natives who had no idea about the concept of ownership said 'ok'. You didn't even have a culture to spread so nothing WAS spread, with the Romans it was engineering and the rule of law, with the Greeks it was the arts and academic learning. With the english.... welll, it wasn't really anything.

[cannedmoose]

Yes, it is Nikolaos Siranidis and Thomas Bimis... those world famous synchronised divers... Greece is still good at something without drug-enhancement it seems...

I saw an interesting programme yesterday which revisited Athens a year on from the Olympics. Most of the facilities sit idle, costing Greek taxpayers 120m Euro a year just to maintain. Future-use planning was sacrificed on the altar of needing to throw up facilities as quickly as possible because of the lax attitude Greece had to the games. Two things Greece didn't give to the world, efficiency and planning.

Actually if you have ever been to Athens you would realize that it has got a hell of a lot better after Olympics, Pedestrainized Areas, Subway, Streets are generally nicer..... It came at a cost, but it is nicer.

You want me to bring up all your great sprinters *linford christie* cough *Dwain Chambers*. English Empire was the only empire in the World that gave nothing to anybody, you didn't even fight any battles, you know what the African Territories grab was called? "The Race For Africa", because it was just a race between all European Powers to see how far their men could march to claim enough territories, you didn't fight any battles, you just said, 'right this our land', and the natives who had no idea about the concept of ownership said 'ok'. You didn't even have a culture to spread so nothing WAS spread, with the Romans it was engineering and the rule of law, with the Greeks it was the arts and academic learning. With the english.... welll, it wasn't really anything.

So you don't regard Parliamentary democracy as the lasting legacy of the British empire in many places around the world? Once again, the classic Greek nationalist argument that Britain has no culture...

As for not fighting battles, you obviously don't remember any of the Zulu Wars, the siege of Khartoum, the Boer War etc. etc. etc.

Anyway, this is my last post in the serious section

[ChomskyFan]

Yes, it is Nikolaos Siranidis and Thomas Bimis... those world famous synchronised divers... Greece is still good at something without drug-enhancement it seems...

I saw an interesting programme yesterday which revisited Athens a year on from the Olympics. Most of the facilities sit idle, costing Greek taxpayers 120m Euro a year just to maintain. Future-use planning was sacrificed on the altar of needing to throw up facilities as quickly as possible because of the lax attitude Greece had to the games. Two things Greece didn't give to the world, efficiency and planning.

Actually if you have ever been to Athens you would realize that it has got a hell of a lot better after Olympics, Pedestrainized Areas, Subway, Streets are generally nicer..... It came at a cost, but it is nicer.

You want me to bring up all your great sprinters *linford christie* cough *Dwain Chambers*. English Empire was the only empire in the World that gave nothing to anybody, you didn't even fight any battles, you know what the African Territories grab was called? "The Race For Africa", because it was just a race between all European Powers to see how far their men could march to claim enough territories, you didn't fight any battles, you just said, 'right this our land', and the natives who had no idea about the concept of ownership said 'ok'. You didn't even have a culture to spread so nothing WAS spread, with the Romans it was engineering and the rule of law, with the Greeks it was the arts and academic learning. With the english.... welll, it wasn't really anything.

So you don't regard Parliamentary democracy as the lasting legacy of the British empire in many places around the world? Once again, the classic Greek nationalist argument that Britain has no culture...

As for not fighting battles, you obviously don't remember any of the Zulu Wars, the siege of Khartoum, the Boer War etc. etc. etc.

Anyway, this is my last post in the serious section

Is that why most African countries are Republics? Parliamentary Demcracy in those days, only about 2% of the populace could vote.

The zulus owned you and they had spears. Please list more than these 3 examples...... Please list some serious battles English versus Enemy of Empire, where enemy had guns.

[cannedmoose]

You're displaying a pretty poor appreciation of history if you don't think the Boer War was an example of an imperial clash. The Boers were supplied with some of the most modern German field weapons. As for your assumptions regarding the Zulu, they were one of the most fiercesome opponents faced by the British Empire anywhere in the world, even other European forces. The Zulu did not just have spears, they also traded for modern rifles, which combined with their ability to cover ground at 10 times the speed of modern forces and use of battle tactics unknown to those from outside the region presented a daunting force. Correction, the Zulu's did not 'own' the British as you said, it was a fight between very different, but very equal forces. As a result of modern firepower, the British ultimately prevailed but the Zulu have a fine heritage to look back on.

Another example would be the war between Britain and the Gurkhas in Nepal. The Gurkha were one of the few forces that British troops could not overcome and instead made a deal with them to fight as mercenary forces for the Empire. Gurkhas remain an integral part of the British army and are some of the most feared warriors anywhere. During the 1982 Falklands War, a rumour went among Argentine forces occupying the island that the Gurkhas were about to be sent to fight them, hundreds deserted en masse. You seem to have disdain for 'natives', still I guess since they're Greek you wouldn't have any respect for their abilities.

Parliamentary democracy remains the basis of most former colonies, even those that are republics today. I don't argue that the British Empire was benevolent everywhere, far from it, but it was one of the great Empires in history and did have some positive aspects.

P.S. in the battle of Khartoum, the native forces did have guns and artillery, so you really need to dust off your history books.

[ChomskyFan]

You're displaying a pretty poor appreciation of history if you don't think the Boer War was an example of an imperial clash. The Boers were supplied with some of the most modern German field weapons. As for your assumptions regarding the Zulu, they were one of the most fiercesome opponents faced by the British Empire anywhere in the world, even other European forces. The Zulu did not just have spears, they also traded for modern rifles, which combined with their ability to cover ground at 10 times the speed of modern forces and use of battle tactics unknown to those from outside the region presented a daunting force. Correction, the Zulu's did not 'own' the British as you said, it was a fight between very different, but very equal forces. As a result of modern firepower, the British ultimately prevailed but the Zulu have a fine heritage to look back on.

Another example would be the war between Britain and the Gurkhas in Nepal. The Gurkha were one of the few forces that British troops could not overcome and instead made a deal with them to fight as mercenary forces for the Empire. Gurkhas remain an integral part of the British army and are some of the most feared warriors anywhere. During the 1982 Falklands War, a rumour went among Argentine forces occupying the island that the Gurkhas were about to be sent to fight them, hundreds deserted en masse. You seem to have disdain for 'natives', still I guess since they're Greek you wouldn't have any respect for their abilities.

Parliamentary democracy remains the basis of most former colonies, even those that are republics today. I don't argue that the British Empire was benevolent everywhere, far from it, but it was one of the great Empires in history and did have some positive aspects.

P.S. in the battle of Khartoum, the native forces did have guns and artillery, so you really need to dust off your history books.

So you have named one battle, that of Khartoum, where the forces where evenly matched in equipment. The British Empire did Fuck all, look at Africa today, look at the borders it is divided up into, what Architecture did the British bring, what Art, what Literature? Where are these things that British Culture spread? None. Thats right, none. If you go to the East you will see the effects of Hellenization, and in the West as well.

No such legacy exists today. If you wish to claim legacy for African Government itself, fine, but it's not exactly a great legacy. English should be made to feel ashamed of their imperialism. It gave nothing to the world, gordon brown should be made to feel ashamed for saying british should be proud of it.

The british where in cyprus how long? and they built fuck all, and gave cyprus a shitty constitution to boot.

[cannedmoose]

So you have named one battle, that of Khartoum, where the forces where evenly matched in equipment. The British Empire did Fuck all, look at Africa today, look at the borders it is divided up into, what Architecture did the British bring, what Art, what Literature? Where are these things that British Culture spread? None. Thats right, none. If you go to the East you will see the effects of Hellenization, and in the West as well.

No such legacy exists today. If you wish to claim legacy for African Government itself, fine, but it's not exactly a great legacy. English should be made to feel ashamed of their imperialism. It gave nothing to the world, gordon brown should be made to feel ashamed for saying british should be proud of it.

The british where in cyprus how long? and they built fuck all, and gave cyprus a shitty constitution to boot.

If you want a list of British battle honours since 1662... here they are... plenty of which involved overwhelming numbers of forces against them.

http://www.regiments.org/wars/bhindex.htm

What architecture I hear you ask. The British Empire absorbed the cultural and architectural heritage of many of its colonial domains as well as developing upon past classical styles from Rome and Ancient Greece. You'll probably say 'copied' rather than developed, but the Greeks themselves stopped building in that architectural style centuries earlier as their empire and wealth crumbled around them, so it was the British Empire that did much to revive classicism.

Much as the English language has adapted to meet all needs, so British architecture has absorbed the best of others and integrated them into its own make-up... that's the sign of a truly impressive culture, one able to stand the test of time and circumstances. In the same way that Greek culture has preserved its distinctiveness, the distinctive nature of British culture stems from its ability to enmesh with others. Architecturally, this is visible everywhere throughout the former empire and indeed at home. Visit the Foreign Office in London and you'll see examples of this in the Foreign Office:


In the design of Brighton's Pavilion building:


How about the British Museum, the recreation of the Parthenon frontage but on a grander scale:


You can also see numerous examples of British neo-classical and gothic architecture in the former colonies:

Government buildings in New Delhi:


Canadian Parliament Buildings:


And how about the Presidential Palace in Lefkosia:


As for literature, you've obvious never heard of Shakespeare, Dickens, Austen, the Bronte Sisters, or Chaucer. You've obviously not realised that for most of the world's population, English is either the first or second language, particularly in parts of the world where the Empire was present, that is the great cultural heritage that Britain bequeathed.

So, hopefully this will show you that Hellenism isn't the force that shaped the modern world. It shaped the Ancient world, the fusion of Greco-Roman styles formed a template for classicism in architecture, literature and language, but with the fall of Rome, such styles quickly faded and it was only with the revival of these styles under the British Empire, which harked back to Rome and Ancient Greece as its forbears, that the style spread.

As for the Cyprus constitution, you should also blame your fellow Greeks in Athens, the dreadful constitutional mix of 1960 was their doing as well.