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[YFred]

YFred someting has to give or there is something happening we do not know of becuase there are another 11 large scale hotels being built in the TRNC, you have to ask yourself what for? obviously there is going to be an increase in toursits real soon as these hotel will go bust. Have you seen Artemis or Mercure, they are large scale hotels of the highest standards.

As for Kikpau how can someone talk so badly and in a demeaning manner then claim to be a TC, I have never met any TCs like him not here or in the UK, hes vile to core and Im sure he would never air these views anywhere but on this forum as he knows the reaction he would get and he would deserve it 100%.

You are right in that something is is going on in the background. roc is small fish to have any effect in EU circles. Don't listen to the big knobs playing to their population to get elected, when push comes to shove eu always makes the right decisions. What ever suits their pockets and as Turkey is so important to the eu, they are not likely to leave her out in the cold. So much for December and the dreaded report. I would look forward to next December, but somehow I don't believe we will need to. It will be done and dusted by then.
As to Kickapoo, he can say what he likes, I stopped reading his posts some time ago.

[YFred]

1. You keep harping on about 70 million turks and trade with them. Turks can produce evrything cheaper and better than TRNC roc or even Greece. So to even think it never mind posing such an idea show how much you undertand.

So what you are saying is, 70+ million Turks (almost 75 million) at $700+ Billion Dollar economy (GDP), 18th in the world at $10,000 per capita as very proudly stated by Erdogan as to why the EU needs Turkey more than Turkey needing the EU, they can't even afford to but products from the north. If that is the case, how on earth is Turkey going to buy anything from the EU when their labour cost alone is 5-10 times higher than they are in Turkey. So what you are saying is, the EU won't be able to sell anything to Turkey and if so, why does Turkey thinks EU needs them more than other way around.? Perhaps the EU needs the Turkish cheap labour to produce it's products and sell them at a premium in the EU by paying cheap labour cost to Turkey for their efforts. The EU has that in Turkey now, so why make them into a member.?? Also tell us what does the north have to sell to the EU that the EU can’t get from the south and also why can’t the north sell it’s products through the RoC, because some are just doing that as we speak. The reason why Turkey wants free trade for the north is so that she can stop paying the north every year to keep it going. If the north were able to trade freely, Turkey will just cut the funds, therefore the north will be back to where they were financially, which is nowhere. In any case, free trade is not in the works nor the direct flights because those would be detrimental for the settlement talks. Lets face it, “if you can get the milk for free, why would you want to buy the cow”. It doesn’t make sense, does it.?.

2. If Turkey ever gets into EU, god help Greece and roc, their industry will be decimated.

No, not really. The EU members will get other cheap countries to produce their products since Turkey will become too costly for them to be made in Turkey as a EU member. No doubt some Turkish manufacturing industries will suffer as a result..

3. Turkey has always had a plan for a vote to prove to the world that it's the GC that were intransigent, but Denktash grabbed the tiger by the tail and wouldn't do what was best for the TCs, hence eventually they stopped supporting him. So he lost.

OK.!!!! I don't know how that is relevant to what we are talking about, but thanks for the info all the same.! As it happens, the leadership in the north are still not doing what's best for the TCs but only what is best for themselves and Turkey, so nothing has changed, have they.?.!

4. If Talat had designs on two seperate states, he would not be at he negotiation, you just do not know the man or his team. Unification with BBF has always been his target.

Well, if he as his own man and not a puppet perhaps he can come to an agreement since BBF is on the table as a Federation and not as a Confederation. I don't see him embracing a BBF Federation very much, do you.?

5. This idea that the TCs would trade with goods from stolen lands is just bullshit and you know it, because the GCs have been doing it since 1963 long before the Turks arrival.

This is what happens when a country has the legality and world recognition. There are certain benefits that go with such recognition and as long as the UN says that the north is an illegal entity, that's how it will remain which receives NO benefits, legally or economically, officially anyway.

6. This idea that It's against true democracy and international law is another one of your bullshit ideas, because wars are fought all the time and there are losers and winners with no redress from courts. Talk to the Palestinians.

Wars is it now.? Who declared war on anyone.? I thought it was just a "peace operation" under the guidance of Turkey's guarantor power to restore the RoC's government in the event. So it is war now and that the RoC lost and Turkey won. Is that it.? OK, so why doesn't Turkey then annex the north as a trophy of her victory and do as she likes with it, because you are saying the north now belongs to Turkey which also means it does not belong to the TCs either, since it was not the TCs who invaded in an undeclared war and won the north. That being the case, The TCs have ZERO leg to stand on to demand any kind of recognition or even free trade with anyone. Thanks for the clarification on the war part, because I really thought Turkey came to bring peace to the islands people as a guarantor.!

7. As to partition if the talks fail or the GCs vote no again, time will tell. We can only guess, but the time is not on GCs side any more. Judging by what leaders in general are saying, Cyprus is no longer a problem. You can see that by the way UN treats their presence in Cyprus and how they portray their soldiers as wasted manpower especially when they are needed elsewhere.

I do not think anything will be offered to be voted on unless both leaders are assured that the people from both sides will say YES this time around. Don't think you can present the south with another AP for them to vote on so that you can get another OXI. That will not happen, because Christofias has few aces in his sleeve to use against the TCs if the north insists on undemocratic measures and that is they will also put in the referendum that all the Turkish Troops leave as well as all of the settlers and that every GC having the right to return to their homes. Now lets see how fast the north will say OXI on those issues. As for the UN staying or leaving, how does it change anything.? Anyway, they are not leaving despite what Turkey says at the UNSC level.

8. Sooner rather than later they will pull out.

As soon as there is peace and all the foreign troops pull out, so will they and good riddance to all of them.!

I said exactly what I said. What is the point of telling me what I said. What ever it is you are selling, I ain't buying old boy.

[Hermes]

You are right in that something is is going on in the background. roc is small fish to have any effect in EU circles. Don't listen to the big knobs playing to their population to get elected, when push comes to shove eu always makes the right decisions. What ever suits their pockets and as Turkey is so important to the eu, they are not likely to leave her out in the cold. So much for December and the dreaded report. I would look forward to next December, but somehow I don't believe we will need to. It will be done and dusted by then.

I think you underestimate what happened last week. The EU Council conclusions are very strong statements and obligatons as regards the Cyprus issue, the responsibility of Turkey on the Cyprus problem, Euro-Turkish relations, monitoring, the Law of the Sea and the rights of the Cyprus Republic. In addition the ROC issued a unilateral declaration in which it formally declared that it would not give consent to the opening of six chapters if Turkey does not meet its obligations as listed in the declaration of 2005.

Markos Kyprianou and George Papandreou never wanted to block the accession of Turkey last week but to link Turkey's accession to specific obligations. Even those countries which unconditionally support Turkish entry never objected to the final declaration, possibly the most powerful the ROC could achieve under the circumstances. There is now a considerable and formal set of obligations that Turkey must fulfill in order to continue its EU path. And all of them pass through Cyprus. The EU accepts this. It is now up to Turkey...

[Viewpoint]

You are right in that something is is going on in the background. roc is small fish to have any effect in EU circles. Don't listen to the big knobs playing to their population to get elected, when push comes to shove eu always makes the right decisions. What ever suits their pockets and as Turkey is so important to the eu, they are not likely to leave her out in the cold. So much for December and the dreaded report. I would look forward to next December, but somehow I don't believe we will need to. It will be done and dusted by then.

I think you underestimate what happened last week. The EU Council conclusions are very strong statements and obligatons as regards the Cyprus issue, the responsibility of Turkey on the Cyprus problem, Euro-Turkish relations, monitoring, the Law of the Sea and the rights of the Cyprus Republic. In addition the ROC issued a unilateral declaration in which it formally declared that it would not give consent to the opening of six chapters if Turkey does not meet its obligations as listed in the declaration of 2005.

Markos Kyprianou and George Papandreou never wanted to block the accession of Turkey last week but to link Turkey's accession to specific obligations. Even those countries which unconditionally support Turkish entry never objected to the final declaration, possibly the most powerful the ROC could achieve under the circumstances. There is now a considerable and formal set of obligations that Turkey must fulfill in order to continue its EU path. And all of them pass through Cyprus. The EU accepts this. It is now up to Turkey...

Could you provide an independent link? the basic details we got were 6 chapters blocked and the Ankara protocal has been put off another year.

[YFred]

You are right in that something is is going on in the background. roc is small fish to have any effect in EU circles. Don't listen to the big knobs playing to their population to get elected, when push comes to shove eu always makes the right decisions. What ever suits their pockets and as Turkey is so important to the eu, they are not likely to leave her out in the cold. So much for December and the dreaded report. I would look forward to next December, but somehow I don't believe we will need to. It will be done and dusted by then.

I think you underestimate what happened last week. The EU Council conclusions are very strong statements and obligatons as regards the Cyprus issue, the responsibility of Turkey on the Cyprus problem, Euro-Turkish relations, monitoring, the Law of the Sea and the rights of the Cyprus Republic. In addition the ROC issued a unilateral declaration in which it formally declared that it would not give consent to the opening of six chapters if Turkey does not meet its obligations as listed in the declaration of 2005.

Markos Kyprianou and George Papandreou never wanted to block the accession of Turkey last week but to link Turkey's accession to specific obligations. Even those countries which unconditionally support Turkish entry never objected to the final declaration, possibly the most powerful the ROC could achieve under the circumstances. There is now a considerable and formal set of obligations that Turkey must fulfill in order to continue its EU path. And all of them pass through Cyprus. The EU accepts this. It is now up to Turkey...

Well let us hope that Turkey does not fart, cause roc is in serious danger of Turkish WMDs. That gas sure smells of rotten eggs.
I am sorry, I couldn't help it. I don't know what came over me.

It does not matter. Turkey isn't joining for another 10 years or more, hence the Cyprus problem is irrelevant to its cause, it'll be sorted by then one way or another.

[Kikapu]

So much venomous anger, not one point he agrees on if you say white he will say black despite you, he is truely a Turk hater of the highest degree and if we ever had the misfortune to meet I would spit in your face. Someone who cannot make the slightest positive comment about TCs or Turks is a dangerous and very ignorant individual. I hope you die and never have the opportunity to see the North of the island ever again.

Here you go Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the face of a TMT terrorist which he not only hates the GCs, but True TCs also who are not members of his elite Racist Fascist NeoPartitionist group. Without True Democracy in Cyprus to keep these sub humans in control and within the Rule of Law, they will once again cause havoc to Cyprus with their counterparts, the EOKA-B scumbags. Without True Democracy in Cyprus, they will do their evil works because the law of the land will not apply equally to everyone where liberties will be taken and abused in the hands of these terrorists. I want to thank TMT terrorist Viewpoint for showing his ugly, but true face to us.!

[YFred]

So much venomous anger, not one point he agrees on if you say white he will say black despite you, he is truely a Turk hater of the highest degree and if we ever had the misfortune to meet I would spit in your face. Someone who cannot make the slightest positive comment about TCs or Turks is a dangerous and very ignorant individual. I hope you die and never have the opportunity to see the North of the island ever again.

Here you go Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the face of a TMT terrorist which he not only hates the GCs, but True TCs also who are not members of his elite Racist Fascist NeoPartitionist group. Without True Democracy in Cyprus to keep these sub humans in control and within the Rule of Law, they will once again cause havoc to Cyprus with their counterparts, the EOKA-B scumbags. Without True Democracy in Cyprus, they will do their evil works because the law of the land will not apply equally to everyone where liberties will be taken and abused in the hands of these terrorists. I want to thank TMT terrorist Viewpoint for showing his ugly, but true face to us.!

I would give up this investigating and interrogating lark if I was you. You wouldn’t recognise a tmt or eoka even if it hit you in the face, sunshine

[Kikapu]

So much venomous anger, not one point he agrees on if you say white he will say black despite you, he is truely a Turk hater of the highest degree and if we ever had the misfortune to meet I would spit in your face. Someone who cannot make the slightest positive comment about TCs or Turks is a dangerous and very ignorant individual. I hope you die and never have the opportunity to see the North of the island ever again.

Here you go Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the face of a TMT terrorist which he not only hates the GCs, but True TCs also who are not members of his elite Racist Fascist NeoPartitionist group. Without True Democracy in Cyprus to keep these sub humans in control and within the Rule of Law, they will once again cause havoc to Cyprus with their counterparts, the EOKA-B scumbags. Without True Democracy in Cyprus, they will do their evil works because the law of the land will not apply equally to everyone where liberties will be taken and abused in the hands of these terrorists. I want to thank TMT terrorist Viewpoint for showing his ugly, but true face to us.!

I would give up this investigating and interogating lark if I was you. You would't recognise a tmt or eoka even if it hit you in the face, sunshine.

Are you making a confession to clear your conscience, or what, Küçük..???

[Get Real!]

So has the RoC collapsed yet so Y-Fronts can dance the Zorba with the Hodja?

[YFred]

So much venomous anger, not one point he agrees on if you say white he will say black despite you, he is truely a Turk hater of the highest degree and if we ever had the misfortune to meet I would spit in your face. Someone who cannot make the slightest positive comment about TCs or Turks is a dangerous and very ignorant individual. I hope you die and never have the opportunity to see the North of the island ever again.

Here you go Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the face of a TMT terrorist which he not only hates the GCs, but True TCs also who are not members of his elite Racist Fascist NeoPartitionist group. Without True Democracy in Cyprus to keep these sub humans in control and within the Rule of Law, they will once again cause havoc to Cyprus with their counterparts, the EOKA-B scumbags. Without True Democracy in Cyprus, they will do their evil works because the law of the land will not apply equally to everyone where liberties will be taken and abused in the hands of these terrorists. I want to thank TMT terrorist Viewpoint for showing his ugly, but true face to us.!

I would give up this investigating and interogating lark if I was you. You would't recognise a tmt or eoka even if it hit you in the face, sunshine.

Are you making a confession to clear your conscience, or what, Küçük..???

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