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[BOF]

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Great news for Paphitis.....

Methinks it is nearly time to strike, because this foreigner is in the market. [/quote]


Furthermore, I am not exactly a foreigner in Cyprus. I am a full RoC citizen.[/quote]

Not a foreigner? you called yourself one.. sorry but YOUR words not mine..
with respect you may be a citizen but im living there and can see for my own eyes whats around me.
perhaps we can recall the words of a certain Mr Stavrakis - "the worldwide recession will have no impact on Cyprus"

[Paphitis]

[quote

Great news for Paphitis.....

Methinks it is nearly time to strike, because this foreigner is in the market.

Furthermore, I am not exactly a foreigner in Cyprus. I am a full RoC citizen.[/quote]

Not a foreigner? you called yourself one.. sorry but YOUR words not mine..
with respect you may be a citizen but im living there and can see for my own eyes whats around me.
perhaps we can recall the words of a certain Mr Stavrakis - "the worldwide recession will have no impact on Cyprus"[/quote]

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I have a sarcastic sense of humor, since I have been called a foreigner by a couple of forumers. I am no such thing. Not only do I have CYPRIOT heritage, but I am also a Cypriot national. I also travel a lot, to many countries as well as visit Cyprus often, and as it just so happens, I am also in the market for a property in Cyprus. Since I am a buyer, and as the market is turning into a buyer's market, then that is OK with me, and my bank balance.

Furthermore, it has already been proven to you that there is a slowdown in foreign investment in Cyprus and this should have a cooling effect on real estate prices. It has also been proven that building approvals by Cypriots have increased and not decreased. So as you can see, the decrease in foreign investment in real estate is not such a bad thing at all, and is most welcome to countless of young Cypriots trying to purchase their first home.

Another thing you should consider is the fact that Mr Stavrakis was not too wrong, because as it stands, Cyprus and Australia are the 2 strongest economies amongst OECD nations. Not bad, if I may so.

[Tim Drayton]

A bit more anecdotal evidence. This lunchtime I was talking to two British tourists in the centre of Limassol. They said that they were frequent visitors to Cyprus and had even bought a flat here - but they had now sold the flat due to the title deed problems. It seems to me that Cyprus could have become the Miami of the European Union - but has blown it. Now that Cyprus has tainted its reputation it will be very difficult to restore the confidence of foreign property buyers.

[Kikapu]

1. You keep harping on about 70 million turks and trade with them. Turks can produce evrything cheaper and better than TRNC roc or even Greece. So to even think it never mind posing such an idea show how much you undertand.

So what you are saying is, 70+ million Turks (almost 75 million) at $700+ Billion Dollar economy (GDP), 18th in the world at $10,000 per capita as very proudly stated by Erdogan as to why the EU needs Turkey more than Turkey needing the EU, they can't even afford to but products from the north. If that is the case, how on earth is Turkey going to buy anything from the EU when their labour cost alone is 5-10 times higher than they are in Turkey. So what you are saying is, the EU won't be able to sell anything to Turkey and if so, why does Turkey thinks EU needs them more than other way around.? Perhaps the EU needs the Turkish cheap labour to produce it's products and sell them at a premium in the EU by paying cheap labour cost to Turkey for their efforts. The EU has that in Turkey now, so why make them into a member.?? Also tell us what does the north have to sell to the EU that the EU can’t get from the south and also why can’t the north sell it’s products through the RoC, because some are just doing that as we speak. The reason why Turkey wants free trade for the north is so that she can stop paying the north every year to keep it going. If the north were able to trade freely, Turkey will just cut the funds, therefore the north will be back to where they were financially, which is nowhere. In any case, free trade is not in the works nor the direct flights because those would be detrimental for the settlement talks. Lets face it, “if you can get the milk for free, why would you want to buy the cow”. It doesn’t make sense, does it.?.

2. If Turkey ever gets into EU, god help Greece and roc, their industry will be decimated.

No, not really. The EU members will get other cheap countries to produce their products since Turkey will become too costly for them to be made in Turkey as a EU member. No doubt some Turkish manufacturing industries will suffer as a result..

3. Turkey has always had a plan for a vote to prove to the world that it's the GC that were intransigent, but Denktash grabbed the tiger by the tail and wouldn't do what was best for the TCs, hence eventually they stopped supporting him. So he lost.

OK.!!!! I don't know how that is relevant to what we are talking about, but thanks for the info all the same.! As it happens, the leadership in the north are still not doing what's best for the TCs but only what is best for themselves and Turkey, so nothing has changed, have they.?.!

4. If Talat had designs on two seperate states, he would not be at he negotiation, you just do not know the man or his team. Unification with BBF has always been his target.

Well, if he as his own man and not a puppet perhaps he can come to an agreement since BBF is on the table as a Federation and not as a Confederation. I don't see him embracing a BBF Federation very much, do you.?

5. This idea that the TCs would trade with goods from stolen lands is just bullshit and you know it, because the GCs have been doing it since 1963 long before the Turks arrival.

This is what happens when a country has the legality and world recognition. There are certain benefits that go with such recognition and as long as the UN says that the north is an illegal entity, that's how it will remain which receives NO benefits, legally or economically, officially anyway.

6. This idea that It's against true democracy and international law is another one of your bullshit ideas, because wars are fought all the time and there are losers and winners with no redress from courts. Talk to the Palestinians.

Wars is it now.? Who declared war on anyone.? I thought it was just a "peace operation" under the guidance of Turkey's guarantor power to restore the RoC's government in the event. So it is war now and that the RoC lost and Turkey won. Is that it.? OK, so why doesn't Turkey then annex the north as a trophy of her victory and do as she likes with it, because you are saying the north now belongs to Turkey which also means it does not belong to the TCs either, since it was not the TCs who invaded in an undeclared war and won the north. That being the case, The TCs have ZERO leg to stand on to demand any kind of recognition or even free trade with anyone. Thanks for the clarification on the war part, because I really thought Turkey came to bring peace to the islands people as a guarantor.!

7. As to partition if the talks fail or the GCs vote no again, time will tell. We can only guess, but the time is not on GCs side any more. Judging by what leaders in general are saying, Cyprus is no longer a problem. You can see that by the way UN treats their presence in Cyprus and how they portray their soldiers as wasted manpower especially when they are needed elsewhere.

I do not think anything will be offered to be voted on unless both leaders are assured that the people from both sides will say YES this time around. Don't think you can present the south with another AP for them to vote on so that you can get another OXI. That will not happen, because Christofias has few aces in his sleeve to use against the TCs if the north insists on undemocratic measures and that is they will also put in the referendum that all the Turkish Troops leave as well as all of the settlers and that every GC having the right to return to their homes. Now lets see how fast the north will say OXI on those issues. As for the UN staying or leaving, how does it change anything.? Anyway, they are not leaving despite what Turkey says at the UNSC level.

8. Sooner rather than later they will pull out.

As soon as there is peace and all the foreign troops pull out, so will they and good riddance to all of them.!

[Viewpoint]

1. You keep harping on about 70 million turks and trade with them. Turks can produce evrything cheaper and better than TRNC roc or even Greece. So to even think it never mind posing such an idea show how much you undertand.

So what you are saying is, 70+ million Turks (almost 75 million) at $700+ Billion Dollar economy (GDP), 18th in the world at $10,000 per capita as very proudly stated by Erdogan as to why the EU needs Turkey more than Turkey needing the EU, they can't even afford to but products from the north. If that is the case, how on earth is Turkey going to buy anything from the EU when their labour cost alone is 5-10 times higher than they are in Turkey. So what you are saying is, the EU won't be able to sell anything to Turkey and if so, why does Turkey thinks EU needs them more than other way around.? Perhaps the EU needs the Turkish cheap labour to produce it's products and sell them at a premium in the EU by paying cheap labour cost to Turkey for their efforts. The EU has that in Turkey now, so why make them into a member.?? Also tell us what does the north have to sell to the EU that the EU can’t get from the south and also why can’t the north sell it’s products through the RoC, because some are just doing that as we speak. The reason why Turkey wants free trade for the north is so that she can stop paying the north every year to keep it going. If the north were able to trade freely, Turkey will just cut the funds, therefore the north will be back to where they were financially, which is nowhere. In any case, free trade is not in the works nor the direct flights because those would be detrimental for the settlement talks. Lets face it, “if you can get the milk for free, why would you want to buy the cow”. It doesn’t make sense, does it.?.

2. If Turkey ever gets into EU, god help Greece and roc, their industry will be decimated.

No, not really. The EU members will get other cheap countries to produce their products since Turkey will become too costly for them to be made in Turkey as a EU member. No doubt some Turkish manufacturing industries will suffer as a result..

3. Turkey has always had a plan for a vote to prove to the world that it's the GC that were intransigent, but Denktash grabbed the tiger by the tail and wouldn't do what was best for the TCs, hence eventually they stopped supporting him. So he lost.

OK.!!!! I don't know how that is relevant to what we are talking about, but thanks for the info all the same.! As it happens, the leadership in the north are still not doing what's best for the TCs but only what is best for themselves and Turkey, so nothing has changed, have they.?.!

4. If Talat had designs on two seperate states, he would not be at he negotiation, you just do not know the man or his team. Unification with BBF has always been his target.

Well, if he as his own man and not a puppet perhaps he can come to an agreement since BBF is on the table as a Federation and not as a Confederation. I don't see him embracing a BBF Federation very much, do you.?

5. This idea that the TCs would trade with goods from stolen lands is just bullshit and you know it, because the GCs have been doing it since 1963 long before the Turks arrival.

This is what happens when a country has the legality and world recognition. There are certain benefits that go with such recognition and as long as the UN says that the north is an illegal entity, that's how it will remain which receives NO benefits, legally or economically, officially anyway.

6. This idea that It's against true democracy and international law is another one of your bullshit ideas, because wars are fought all the time and there are losers and winners with no redress from courts. Talk to the Palestinians.

Wars is it now.? Who declared war on anyone.? I thought it was just a "peace operation" under the guidance of Turkey's guarantor power to restore the RoC's government in the event. So it is war now and that the RoC lost and Turkey won. Is that it.? OK, so why doesn't Turkey then annex the north as a trophy of her victory and do as she likes with it, because you are saying the north now belongs to Turkey which also means it does not belong to the TCs either, since it was not the TCs who invaded in an undeclared war and won the north. That being the case, The TCs have ZERO leg to stand on to demand any kind of recognition or even free trade with anyone. Thanks for the clarification on the war part, because I really thought Turkey came to bring peace to the islands people as a guarantor.!

7. As to partition if the talks fail or the GCs vote no again, time will tell. We can only guess, but the time is not on GCs side any more. Judging by what leaders in general are saying, Cyprus is no longer a problem. You can see that by the way UN treats their presence in Cyprus and how they portray their soldiers as wasted manpower especially when they are needed elsewhere.

I do not think anything will be offered to be voted on unless both leaders are assured that the people from both sides will say YES this time around. Don't think you can present the south with another AP for them to vote on so that you can get another OXI. That will not happen, because Christofias has few aces in his sleeve to use against the TCs if the north insists on undemocratic measures and that is they will also put in the referendum that all the Turkish Troops leave as well as all of the settlers and that every GC having the right to return to their homes. Now lets see how fast the north will say OXI on those issues. As for the UN staying or leaving, how does it change anything.? Anyway, they are not leaving despite what Turkey says at the UNSC level.

8. Sooner rather than later they will pull out.

As soon as there is peace and all the foreign troops pull out, so will they and good riddance to all of them.!

So much venomous anger, not one point he agrees on if you say white he will say black despite you, he is truely a Turk hater of the highest degree and if we ever had the misfortune to meet I would spit in your face. Someone who cannot make the slightest positive comment about TCs or Turks is a dangerous and very ignorant individual. I hope you die and never have the opportunity to see the North of the island ever again.

[YFred]

1. You keep harping on about 70 million turks and trade with them. Turks can produce evrything cheaper and better than TRNC roc or even Greece. So to even think it never mind posing such an idea show how much you undertand.

So what you are saying is, 70+ million Turks (almost 75 million) at $700+ Billion Dollar economy (GDP), 18th in the world at $10,000 per capita as very proudly stated by Erdogan as to why the EU needs Turkey more than Turkey needing the EU, they can't even afford to but products from the north. If that is the case, how on earth is Turkey going to buy anything from the EU when their labour cost alone is 5-10 times higher than they are in Turkey. So what you are saying is, the EU won't be able to sell anything to Turkey and if so, why does Turkey thinks EU needs them more than other way around.? Perhaps the EU needs the Turkish cheap labour to produce it's products and sell them at a premium in the EU by paying cheap labour cost to Turkey for their efforts. The EU has that in Turkey now, so why make them into a member.?? Also tell us what does the north have to sell to the EU that the EU can’t get from the south and also why can’t the north sell it’s products through the RoC, because some are just doing that as we speak. The reason why Turkey wants free trade for the north is so that she can stop paying the north every year to keep it going. If the north were able to trade freely, Turkey will just cut the funds, therefore the north will be back to where they were financially, which is nowhere. In any case, free trade is not in the works nor the direct flights because those would be detrimental for the settlement talks. Lets face it, “if you can get the milk for free, why would you want to buy the cow”. It doesn’t make sense, does it.?.

2. If Turkey ever gets into EU, god help Greece and roc, their industry will be decimated.

No, not really. The EU members will get other cheap countries to produce their products since Turkey will become too costly for them to be made in Turkey as a EU member. No doubt some Turkish manufacturing industries will suffer as a result..

3. Turkey has always had a plan for a vote to prove to the world that it's the GC that were intransigent, but Denktash grabbed the tiger by the tail and wouldn't do what was best for the TCs, hence eventually they stopped supporting him. So he lost.

OK.!!!! I don't know how that is relevant to what we are talking about, but thanks for the info all the same.! As it happens, the leadership in the north are still not doing what's best for the TCs but only what is best for themselves and Turkey, so nothing has changed, have they.?.!

4. If Talat had designs on two seperate states, he would not be at he negotiation, you just do not know the man or his team. Unification with BBF has always been his target.

Well, if he as his own man and not a puppet perhaps he can come to an agreement since BBF is on the table as a Federation and not as a Confederation. I don't see him embracing a BBF Federation very much, do you.?

5. This idea that the TCs would trade with goods from stolen lands is just bullshit and you know it, because the GCs have been doing it since 1963 long before the Turks arrival.

This is what happens when a country has the legality and world recognition. There are certain benefits that go with such recognition and as long as the UN says that the north is an illegal entity, that's how it will remain which receives NO benefits, legally or economically, officially anyway.

6. This idea that It's against true democracy and international law is another one of your bullshit ideas, because wars are fought all the time and there are losers and winners with no redress from courts. Talk to the Palestinians.

Wars is it now.? Who declared war on anyone.? I thought it was just a "peace operation" under the guidance of Turkey's guarantor power to restore the RoC's government in the event. So it is war now and that the RoC lost and Turkey won. Is that it.? OK, so why doesn't Turkey then annex the north as a trophy of her victory and do as she likes with it, because you are saying the north now belongs to Turkey which also means it does not belong to the TCs either, since it was not the TCs who invaded in an undeclared war and won the north. That being the case, The TCs have ZERO leg to stand on to demand any kind of recognition or even free trade with anyone. Thanks for the clarification on the war part, because I really thought Turkey came to bring peace to the islands people as a guarantor.!

7. As to partition if the talks fail or the GCs vote no again, time will tell. We can only guess, but the time is not on GCs side any more. Judging by what leaders in general are saying, Cyprus is no longer a problem. You can see that by the way UN treats their presence in Cyprus and how they portray their soldiers as wasted manpower especially when they are needed elsewhere.

I do not think anything will be offered to be voted on unless both leaders are assured that the people from both sides will say YES this time around. Don't think you can present the south with another AP for them to vote on so that you can get another OXI. That will not happen, because Christofias has few aces in his sleeve to use against the TCs if the north insists on undemocratic measures and that is they will also put in the referendum that all the Turkish Troops leave as well as all of the settlers and that every GC having the right to return to their homes. Now lets see how fast the north will say OXI on those issues. As for the UN staying or leaving, how does it change anything.? Anyway, they are not leaving despite what Turkey says at the UNSC level.

8. Sooner rather than later they will pull out.

As soon as there is peace and all the foreign troops pull out, so will they and good riddance to all of them.!

So much venomous anger, not one point he agrees on if you say white he will say black despite you, he is truely a Turk hater of the highest degree and if we ever had the misfortune to meet I would spit in your face. Someone who cannot make the slightest positive comment about TCs or Turks is a dangerous and very ignorant individual. I hope you die and never have the opportunity to see the North of the island ever again.

VP, please don't get so angry about Kickapoo, he can't help it, he only sees what he wants to see and ignores everything else. You can only reason with somebody who is ready to be reasoned with. Kickapoo, is just as extreme as all the rest of the GC patriots on this forum, and any comments they make is considered accordingly.
The fact is, the lack direct trade with the EU is suffocating the TCs and GC government knows it and is actively perusing it. No matter what is being said by the so called "Venomous feces covered gufi", after these negotiations, it will pass. The trade routes will open and the TRNC tourist industry will develop and will rival the south on price alone.
The Europeans are aware whats going on. The end game is being played.
Be positive, we'll get there.

[Viewpoint]

YFred someting has to give or there is something happening we do not know of becuase there are another 11 large scale hotels being built in the TRNC, you have to ask yourself what for? obviously there is going to be an increase in toursits real soon as these hotel will go bust. Have you seen Artemis or Mercure, they are large scale hotels of the highest standards.

As for Kikpau how can someone talk so badly and in a demeaning manner then claim to be a TC, I have never met any TCs like him not here or in the UK, hes vile to core and Im sure he would never air these views anywhere but on this forum as he knows the reaction he would get and he would deserve it 100%.

[Get Real!]

As for Kikpau how can someone talk so badly and in a demeaning manner then claim to be a TC...

That's probably because you're only used to seeing Turkish Cypriots ACTING in a demeaning manner and never talking about it!

[B25]

As for Kikpau how can someone talk so badly and in a demeaning manner then claim to be a TC...

That's probably because you're only used to seeing Turkish Cypriots ACTING in a demeaning manner and never talking about it!

You could say exactly the same about Bana, but at least Kikpau wants whats fair for BOTH sides where as Bana, wants what best for the TCs and F the GCs. I'd say you got the bestter deal.

You can keep Bana, I will have kikapu anytime.

[Viewpoint]

As for Kikpau how can someone talk so badly and in a demeaning manner then claim to be a TC...

That's probably because you're only used to seeing Turkish Cypriots ACTING in a demeaning manner and never talking about it!

Crap we have people who talk about our errors all the time but not in this venomous and below the belt manner, he is a low life and is just trying to degrade us at every opportunity can you recall just one thing positive he has state pro TC or Turk?