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Piratis

The Kurds in Turkey are the majority over the Kurdistan region and they want their freedom. They don't want to ethnically cleanse others and steal their lands. So don't confuse yourselves with them.

You cant be that stupid please try harder all I am doing is pointing out the different levels of revolt, of which the TCs action was just the same you tried to force enosis on us so we fought against it and revolted to survive.

We didn't try to force anything on you. You (and the British) forced foreign empires on us, and we wanted our freedom.

So what are the measures that you take in the "trnc" to ensure that there is no discrimination against the GCs or other communities that live there?

Just as the ones in the south, what are you worried about? that it will be tit for tat again and if you discriminate we will do the same? its simple dont and we wont, in a unitary state we would not be givenn that option we would have to submit to GC adminisation.

Somehow this didn't work between Greece and Turkey. Your minority in Greece is increasing, while the Greek minority in Turkey is almost annihilated.

So can people live wherever they want, in which case the GCs can return to their homes, which will result in both states having a GC majority OR you want to ethnically cleanse GCs from 29% of Cyprus and turn it into a Turkish territory?

Again everyone can live where they wish, its the balance of power that is the stumbling block if as you say both states are swamped by GCs how do secure our effective say in power?

Aren't you supposed to give an answer to that? So everybody can live where they wish, so both states will have a GC majority. Now what is your answer for the rest?

But why would the GCs want to negatively affect one of the two states? If this happens then the 100s of thousands of GCs who will live in that state will also be negatively affected, not just you.

Why would it be negatively effected? it would be an island wide vote for the MPs with the highest votes, top GCs and top TCs.

Before you said "the power sharing structure there has to be a right to say no on sensative issues where one state will be more negatively effeted than the other".

The correct ratio is 82 -18. In cases of sensitive matters, such as changes in the constitution, the TCs can have veto power.

Under such a system the sensative issues would have to be outlined and there should also be a minimum vote from each state to get a bill through otherwise the 18% would have absolutely no effect.

Are you saying that 18% is insignificant?

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Piratis

We didn't try to force anything on you. You (and the British) forced foreign empires on us, and we wanted our freedom.

enosis was not freedom but a death warrant for us.

Somehow this didn't work between Greece and Turkey. Your minority in Greece is increasing, while the Greek minority in Turkey is almost annihilated.

Come out and say it dont you trust that we will treat Gcs fairly? in the north state? thats how we feel about a GC state where we have no other state to run to at least the GCs will have the south state if they hate the north and we will have the same option, why do you want to force us into a GC state as a minority with no options to remain on our own island should our worst nightmares start to come true. Is this your hidden agenda?

Aren't you supposed to give an answer to that? So everybody can live where they wish, so both states will have a GC majority. Now what is your answer for the rest?

how can you be sure? the majority of GCs for whatever reasons will not want to live under TC administration plus as I have explained before I would have a pan voting system whereby quotas will be in place to guarantee the power sharing balance.

Before you said "the power sharing structure there has to be a right to say no on sensative issues where one state will be more negatively effeted than the other".

Thats why the balance in MPs has to be fixed so that right to say no will not be taken away.

Are you saying that 18% is insignificant?

If allowed to be swept aside by the racists majority, of course danger bells would be ringing.

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Piratis

We didn't try to force anything on you. You (and the British) forced foreign empires on us, and we wanted our freedom.

enosis was not freedom but a death warrant for us.

That is your baseless imaginary fairy tale.

Somehow this didn't work between Greece and Turkey. Your minority in Greece is increasing, while the Greek minority in Turkey is almost annihilated.

Come out and say it dont you trust that we will treat Gcs fairly? in the north state? thats how we feel about a GC state where we have no other state to run to at least the GCs will have the south state if they hate the north and we will have the same option, why do you want to force us into a GC state as a minority with no options to remain on our own island should our worst nightmares start to come true. Is this your hidden agenda?

If you say that GCs have the option to move to the "south state" then I can also say that the TCs have the option to move to Turkey. I am guessing that this is not good enough for you, right? Similarly your option to move to the "south state" is not good enough for us.

This is why I used the example of Greece and Turkey. While Turkey has almost totally exterminated the Greeks that live there, your minority in Greece is multiplying. Are you suggesting that Greece should retaliate?

Maybe that would suit you, because in that way all GCs would be forced to the south and TCs to the north. This is what we have now and it doesn't bother you at all, since many times you said that the south is a foreign country to you. So it seems that it is you who has some hidden agenda.

Aren't you supposed to give an answer to that? So everybody can live where they wish, so both states will have a GC majority. Now what is your answer for the rest?

how can you be sure? the majority of GCs for whatever reasons will not want to live under TC administration plus as I have explained before I would have a pan voting system whereby quotas will be in place to guarantee the power sharing balance.

Why should the TC rule over territory which belongs by over 80% to Greek Cypriots?

Before you said "the power sharing structure there has to be a right to say no on sensative issues where one state will be more negatively effeted than the other".

Thats why the balance in MPs has to be fixed so that right to say no will not be taken away.

Whose right to say "no"? Of the state or of the TCs? Because both states will have a majority of GCs after the solution, unless you violate our human rights.

Are you saying that 18% is insignificant?

If allowed to be swept aside by the racists majority, of course danger bells would be ringing.

How about under normal conditions of democracy, one person one vote. How significant is the 18%?

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Piratis

That is your baseless imaginary fairy tale.

You are allowed your opinion just as I am mine, as mylife was at stake could you kindly let me have the benefit of the doubt.

If you say that GCs have the option to move to the "south state" then I can also say that the TCs have the option to move to Turkey. I am guessing that this is not good enough for you, right? Similarly your option to move to the "south state" is not good enough for us.

Turkey and the south or north states are totally different things, Cyprus is our country not Turkey when will you Gcs realize this and grow up.
What I was trying to say is that if the GCs are not happy with the way they treated in the north state then they will have recourse just as the TCs living in the south state, but at worst a TC who is finding it difficult to fit into the way of lif in the south has the option to move to the north state why do you want to take away this option and force them to live in one state whih will no doubt be a GC state with us as a minority as you wish.

This is why I used the example of Greece and Turkey. While Turkey has almost totally exterminated the Greeks that live there, your minority in Greece is multiplying. Are you suggesting that Greece should retaliate?

Thats there problem not mine between two countries are you proposing we are one country under a BBF where people are allowed the right to reside where they wish be it in the north or the south? I really dont see the problem. Or are you showing signs that you now understand why the TCs do not want to be under GC administration by doubting how GCs will be treated in the north state??

Maybe that would suit you, because in that way all GCs would be forced to the south and TCs to the north. This is what we have now and it doesn't bother you at all, since many times you said that the south is a foreign country to you. So it seems that it is you who has some hidden agenda.

Let the people have the freedom and the choice to live where they wish, why are you forcing only one state?

Why should the TC rule over territory which belongs by over 80% to Greek Cypriots?

State and personal property ownership are 2 totally different things.

Whose right to say "no"? Of the state or of the TCs? Because both states will have a majority of GCs after the solution, unless you violate our human rights.

In my proposition the elected MPs will have to work together to get a bill passed that means that if GC or TC MP feel strongly about any proposed law changes they can all vote NO.

How about under normal conditions of democracy, one person one vote. How significant is the 18%?

18% vs 82% which will always have the upper hand and force their will on the others? How will the 18% have any chance of saying NO?