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[Expatkiwi]

so what makes you think the gcs did it as conclusive expat?...


look for the eyewitbess account expat...there is atestimony in this forum, but I am not doing it for you...

There was ample hatred on both sides, Boomerang. The BBC news footage I've seen on their online archives bear that out.

[boomerang]

hint expat, there is an eyewitness account...

Perhaps you could enlighten me...

no expat, you made a claim, it's about time you start substantiating your claims...otherwise withdraw your claim...

I'm basing this claim on what has been made public. Your question is like asking me to personally substantiate the existance of atoms. Since I can't see them, I can't substatiate it. I can only get book references.

I wouldn't call an eyewitness account as atoms expat...but posting fairy tales is another story...

if what you say is true trhen you only read propaganda...coz the eyewitness account is valid...

ask your self this expat, why in all the readings you read there is no eyewitness account, huh?...when in fact it exists...who has more to gain by keeping the eyewitness accounts out of the books you read huh?...

[boomerang]

so what makes you think the gcs did it as conclusive expat?...


look for the eyewitbess account expat...there is atestimony in this forum, but I am not doing it for you...

There was ample hatred on both sides, Boomerang. The BBC news footage I've seen on their online archives bear that out.

but yet no eyewitness account mentioned huh?...why is that expat?...

[Expatkiwi]

so what makes you think the gcs did it as conclusive expat?...


look for the eyewitbess account expat...there is atestimony in this forum, but I am not doing it for you...

There was ample hatred on both sides, Boomerang. The BBC news footage I've seen on their online archives bear that out.

but yet no eyewitness account mentioned huh?...why is that expat?...

You tell me. Killed perhaps, died naturally, too scared to talk, or no longer living on the island. In any case, Boomerang, you'd probably call any eyewitness testimony to back up the TC accusations a pack of lies.

[boomerang]

so what makes you think the gcs did it as conclusive expat?...


look for the eyewitbess account expat...there is atestimony in this forum, but I am not doing it for you...

There was ample hatred on both sides, Boomerang. The BBC news footage I've seen on their online archives bear that out.

but yet no eyewitness account mentioned huh?...why is that expat?...

You tell me. Killed perhaps, died naturally, too scared to talk, or no longer living on the island. In any case, Boomerang, you'd probably call any eyewitness testimony to back up the TC accusations a pack of lies.

well expat, unlike you I know the eyewitness account...so who is spreding lies huh?...

and stop resulting to lies....get the eyewitness account expat...then we will see the lies...sounds fair to me expat...

[Paphitis]

Dr. Ilhan and his family were not even TC. Not that this makes any difference as to the pointless slaying.

Next idiot please....

And what of the claims regarding Turkish Cypriot civilians killed in the villages of Agios Sozomenos and Agios Vasilios?

What about the hundreds of GCs that were killed by TMT? What about the attacks on CYPOL vehicles on the Nicosia to Limassol highway.

What about the 7 GC prisoners who were released by the British in a TMT controlled area and murdered in 1958!

Furthermore, Dr. Ilhan was probably killed by the TMT, so do your research and then we can talk.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0

Like you said, people on both sides were victims. I'm not going to deny that there were hotheads on the Turkish side who did commit crimes, but I am asking about the TC Claims and if there is any basis to them. Also, this "probably killed by the TMT" is not what one could call conclusive...

The TC claims are very exaggerated and aimed at giving legitimacy to the Turkish Invasion and TAKSIM.

But there were some TC victims in the whole saga, as the GCs had no choice but to also defend themselves from TMT. About 700 odd TCs were killed, some by GCs and others by the TMT but also blamed on the GCs to further TAKSIM objectives by getting the TCs to retreat into enclaves out of fear for their lives.

So as you can see, there is not much truth to TC claims at all, particularly the claim of genocide.

Please read this thread as well:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... im&start=0

[BirKibrisli]

Are VP and Birkibrisli playing "good cop, bad cop" with us?

Because to me, they both sound lacking in foresight; entrenched in some false idea of a "past" which they brandish to seal their gains from GCs and win yet more.

They callously disregard the Human Rights of GCs.

VP can speak for himself,but for me Cyprus is too emotional and cherished subject about which i might play games...If i lack in foresight,and you believe you are full of it,pray tell me which of my ideas about the past are false??? I have been forced to leave my beloved country back in 1969,and could not bare to return to it for 40 years...Tell me what are the gains I am trying to seal,and what other gains am i trying to win???? If you really want to understand where I am coming from,.try this link...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14581&highlight=birkibrislis+cyprus+diary

[YFred]

Are VP and Birkibrisli playing "good cop, bad cop" with us?

Because to me, they both sound lacking in foresight; entrenched in some false idea of a "past" which they brandish to seal their gains from GCs and win yet more.

They callously disregard the Human Rights of GCs.

VP can speak for himself,but for me Cyprus is too emotional and cherished subject about which i might play games...If i lack in foresight,and you believe you are full of it,pray tell me which of my ideas about the past are false??? I have been forced to leave my beloved country back in 1969,and could not bare to return to it for 40 years...Tell me what are the gains I am trying to seal,and what other gains am i trying to win???? If you really want to understand where I am coming from,.try this link...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14581&highlight=birkibrislis+cyprus+diary

Welcome to the club. The same happened to me in 72, but according to some members on this forum, there was no need for us to leave our country. So the question has been and remains, how do me make deal with people who were and still are oblivious to the suffering and the hopelessness they have put us through and then live together. I believe we can, but there is a hell of a population in the south that will need to do some waking up.
Sweet dreams to all my GC patriot friends.

[Oracle]

@ Bir

I hope you are not denying that worse, much worse, and in greater numbers (since these seem to matter to TCs) has happened to GCs who fled Napalming and constant threats as well as actions by Turkey.

Now apply this with a little foresight to the future and understand why we want ZERO influence from Turkey and no more than one-TC-one-vote rights to match our one-GC-one-vote by which normal civilised and ALL EU countries abide!

[BirKibrisli]

B25, Bir is not the same as VP. Unfortunately he lost the ability to see objectively recently.

I excuse him because I believe his aim is to get any kind of "solution" that would stop TCs from being swallowed by Turkey. I also believe him when he says that he would personally accept a true democracy with human rights for all. So he is nothing like VP.

What he does not understand is that the price he is asking from us to pay in order to save his community is way too high. Human rights and democracy are extremely valuable things and we are not going to sacrifice what is most important to save TCs from their self-destruction.

He also accepts the excuses of people like VP and he thinks that we can have a bad "solution" right now, and that this bad "solution" can help to improve the climate between Cypriots (it will actually worsen it) and that after some time it will become possible to change to something better. Probably he missed what VP (the average TC) keeps saying: "If you didn't like it you shouldn't have signed it".

Human rights and democracy are extremely valuable,dear Piratis,but they shouldn't be an end in themselves...That is my whole point...It is too big a step for the TCs to jump from where we are today to a fully functioning democracy with human rights...You keep saying the 1960 agreements didnt work because they were imposed on the GCs...Why should a new agreement work if it is imposed on the TCs,democratic of otherwise..??? If we open a parathesis here,there are many countries who are supposedly democratic,like Turkey,Greece,Russia,Romania,Albania,Serbia,Croatia,Bosnia etc etc...Go and ask the minorities in those countries if they are happy with their lot...Any system,including democracy,is only as good as the people who run it...I am not trying to run down the virtues of democracy..Just trying to bring some reality into the situation...One of the two sides in the Cyprus conflict wants more than the implied protections of a democratic system...They cannot bring themselves to trust the other side to play the game by the rules...So what is the point of insisting on your uncompromising position if you know it wont be acceptable??? I would like to get a logical explanation on this one,Piratis,as i am truly puzzled...