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[boomerang]

we were talking cemetaries...not historical and cultural destruction

With respect, cemetries are part of a people's cultural heritage and a link to the past. A reminder of the people who lived and died in a place. Desecration of cemetries is not just an act of revenge on the living but an attempt to erase the presence of a people from the land. It is no different to the destruction of churches and other monuments to the Greek heritage of the north of Cyprus.

I visit south east asia quite often and I gotta be honest with you I never got the urge to visit a graveyard...but thats me...yes there might be people that enjoy scenic organized tours of graveyards I am not denying that...but somehow bir in a limited timeframe might have not signed up for a tour...

[Paphitis]

thats fair enough mate you had a reason...not saying they didn't destroy the graveyards...just saying you had no reason as a tourist and it wouldn't even come up a conversation...after saying this the forum is littered with posts and pictures...bir deserves the benefit of a doubt...I think it's fair...

There is no defense for telling blatant lies....

If you can't see all the historical and cultural destruction that has occurred in the occupied territories, then you are either blind or not telling the truth.

we were talking cemetaries...not historical and cultural destruction

Cemeteries are an integral part of our family history.

hang on man he was on holidays...we both agreed on holidays you do not visit graveyards for no reason...so i can't see your argument here...

yes they have been destroyed...I agree with you...but he didn't see the destruction because he didn't go to any...what you gonna hang him for not visiting a graveyard...

The argument is that even so, you can't miss driving past dozens of such cemeteries and Churches. They basically pop out and hit you on the head. The countryside is littered with many examples of this destruction.

Bit wrote:

I hope you are exaggerating re the systematic desecration of Christian graves in the North,MP...Otherwise it will be very sad indeed...I don't know,as I havent been to the North for 10 years...

Such an irresponsible remark is nothing more than a blatant lie and denial that such a thing can occur in the occupied north.

There is much proof to suggest that all this was a systematic and wholesale destruction of GC heritage....

Boomers, these Churches and cemeteries can be seen from major roads and highways. They are even noticed by British tourists who have no attachment whatsoever to the land.

[denizaksulu]

I have had a few holidays in the north. I accidentally looked at a Greek Cypriot cemetary. I hung my head in shame as I pointed out the broken crosses to my wife.
One does not seek out cemeteries, but only for a purpose. That is to pray for their souls or to remember the past members of ones family and friends. Bir ancestors would be in Istinjo and not in the north. (except the aunt we share).

[Hermes]

we were talking cemetaries...not historical and cultural destruction

With respect, cemetries are part of a people's cultural heritage and a link to the past. A reminder of the people who lived and died in a place. Desecration of cemetries is not just an act of revenge on the living but an attempt to erase the presence of a people from the land. It is no different to the destruction of churches and other monuments to the Greek heritage of the north of Cyprus.

I visit south east asia quite often and I gotta be honest with you I never got the urge to visit a graveyard...but thats me...yes there might be people that enjoy scenic organized tours of graveyards I am not denying that...but somehow bir in a linited timeframe might have not signed up for a tour...

It's not question of going out of your way to visit a cemetery. They are part of villages. All over the north. People weren't buried in remote places but near to where they could be visited, often near to churches. The destruction is widespread and evident to anyone who wants to see. Of course, some would rather choose not to see.

[boomerang]

I have had a few holidays in the north. I accidentally looked at a Greek Cypriot cemetary. I hung my head in shame as I pointed out the broken crosses to my wife.
One does not seek out cemeteries, but only for a purpose. That is to pray for their souls or to remember the past members of ones family and friends. Bir ancestors would be in Istinjo and not in the north. (except the aunt we share).

thats what I am trying to say Deniz...unless you had a reason you wouldn't...

anyway getting late

goonight all...

[Paphitis]

I have had a few holidays in the north. I accidentally looked at a Greek Cypriot cemetary. I hung my head in shame as I pointed out the broken crosses to my wife.
One does not seek out cemeteries, but only for a purpose. That is to pray for their souls or to remember the past members of ones family and friends. Bir ancestors would be in Istinjo and not in the north. (except the aunt we share).

thats what I am trying to say Deniz...unless you had a reason you wouldn't...

anyway getting late

goonight all...

You don't have to go out of your way to see these cemeteries and Churches. They are everywhere.

My wife had a very personal reason to seek this particular cemetery and Church (in Palekythro), but as we traveled we noticed many more.

Good night.

[boomerang]

we were talking cemetaries...not historical and cultural destruction

With respect, cemetries are part of a people's cultural heritage and a link to the past. A reminder of the people who lived and died in a place. Desecration of cemetries is not just an act of revenge on the living but an attempt to erase the presence of a people from the land. It is no different to the destruction of churches and other monuments to the Greek heritage of the north of Cyprus.

I visit south east asia quite often and I gotta be honest with you I never got the urge to visit a graveyard...but thats me...yes there might be people that enjoy scenic organized tours of graveyards I am not denying that...but somehow bir in a linited timeframe might have not signed up for a tour...

It's not question of going out of your way to visit a cemetery. They are part of villages. All over the north. People weren't buried in remote places but near to where they could be visited, often near to churches. The destruction is widespread and evident to anyone who wants to see. Of course, some would rather choose not to see.

are you for real?...have you considered his relatives might be staying in a tc village?...if they did then there will be no churches or graveyards to see...

again I do not visit graveyards, temples etc when overseas...why you expect others to visit because you do...

anyway enough from me on visit habbits and holiday itenaries of others

[boomerang]

I have had a few holidays in the north. I accidentally looked at a Greek Cypriot cemetary. I hung my head in shame as I pointed out the broken crosses to my wife.
One does not seek out cemeteries, but only for a purpose. That is to pray for their souls or to remember the past members of ones family and friends. Bir ancestors would be in Istinjo and not in the north. (except the aunt we share).

thats what I am trying to say Deniz...unless you had a reason you wouldn't...

anyway getting late

goonight all...

You don't have to go out of your way to see these cemeteries and Churches. They are everywhere.

My wife had a very personal reason to seek this particular cemetery and Church (in Palekythro), but as we traveled we noticed many more.

Good night.

just think for a minute what is Bir's gain by lying on this when the internet is littered with pictures...sweet fuck all...if anything you got stuck into him...give him some credit coz he is not stupid...

not happy?...bir you are a lying bitch...everyone happy...fuck...

I am outta here

[Hermes]

are you for real?...have you considered his relatives might be staying in a tc village?...if they did then there will be no churches or graveyards to see...

again I do not visit graveyards, temples etc when overseas...why you expect others to visit because you do...

anyway enough from me on visit habbits and holiday itenaries of others

What are you talking about? You cannot travel in northern Cyprus without passing an abandoned Greek Church or graveyard. You don't have to go out of your way to see any of these things. You only need eyes to see.

[denizaksulu]

are you for real?...have you considered his relatives might be staying in a tc village?...if they did then there will be no churches or graveyards to see...

again I do not visit graveyards, temples etc when overseas...why you expect others to visit because you do...

anyway enough from me on visit habbits and holiday itenaries of others

What are you talking about? You cannot travel in northern Cyprus without passing an abandoned Greek Church or graveyard. You don't have to go out of your way to see any of these things.

Did not Bir write 'letter from Cyprus' describing his visit. Either ask him or stop talking behind his back. He will give you an honest answer befitting the man he is.