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[YFred]

Firstly, I post this given the post by Oracle was dispicable and I note many rejected the implication, for which I am thankful.

For the sake of discussion, it does present the thought, what about looking at things in the other direction.

I would contend from what I have read on this site, probably most GCs would not kill as they had done in the past, but most do believe it is right to continue the deplorable isolation that impacts the living conditions and opportunities for their "partners" on the island.

Both sides have suffered similar fates with refugees, murders, lands lost. Yet TCs are continually crushed by the megalomaniac endeavours of GCs.

Christofias = Papadopulos = GCs in general = Akritas lives on in an economic, social and political form.

Indeed we all have our opinions, but if we look at who is continuing to punish whom as well as showing restraint on finding a solution, we have a clear answer.

GCs will happily inflict pain on TCs for their false constitution.

Both sides have isues with each other, "isolation" being one of many. Why not show a little goodwill and give us back Varosha - it will cost you nothing, in fact TCs would probably benefit from the re-building jobs available.

Only if you allow free trade to the north and that will cost you nothing in the same way.
Deal?

Hang on, you have had free electricity, free healthcare, passports, jobs in the ROC, etc etc, what have we had in return?

Really, you have used my country's identity to get rich. Isn't that enough compensation and more for what you gave? I think it is. Besides you did not do it out of good will gesture. The electricity had to be given because to cut off, would have meant that some GC villages would have to also be cut off. Secondly the helthcare aspect was forced upon you by the EU which is counteracted by all the advantage you gained joining it.
I repeat, offering free trade to the north for varosha will cause you no discomfort what so ever and it will be a huge boos towards real peace.
Strangely it has come to the end of the road and free trade will be won sooner rather than later what ever happens in these negotiations, but if not deal then you lose Varosha for ever.
Is it worth the risk?

[Jerry]

Firstly, I post this given the post by Oracle was dispicable and I note many rejected the implication, for which I am thankful.

For the sake of discussion, it does present the thought, what about looking at things in the other direction.

I would contend from what I have read on this site, probably most GCs would not kill as they had done in the past, but most do believe it is right to continue the deplorable isolation that impacts the living conditions and opportunities for their "partners" on the island.

Both sides have suffered similar fates with refugees, murders, lands lost. Yet TCs are continually crushed by the megalomaniac endeavours of GCs.

Christofias = Papadopulos = GCs in general = Akritas lives on in an economic, social and political form.

Indeed we all have our opinions, but if we look at who is continuing to punish whom as well as showing restraint on finding a solution, we have a clear answer.

GCs will happily inflict pain on TCs for their false constitution.

Both sides have isues with each other, "isolation" being one of many. Why not show a little goodwill and give us back Varosha - it will cost you nothing, in fact TCs would probably benefit from the re-building jobs available.

Only if you allow free trade to the north and that will cost you nothing in the same way.
Deal?

YFred
Maybe. But not necessarily.

First, if there is a log-jam - and 35 years is quite long for a log-jam - then some party has to break the jam. So yes it could be RoC on N-S trade,but it could also be TRNC/Turkey on Varosha. Saying "you go first" "no, you go first" does not break the log jam :it is the log-jam !

Second, just one break in the log-jam may be all that is necessary to allow a complete free-flow of follow on negotiations. Worth a risk over another 35 years ?

Third, in this specific case, given the 'ghost' status of Varosha what has TRNC/Turkey got to lose by using this to break the log-jam ? Doesn't it have everything to gain (at no cost) ?

Copperline, the real reason Turkey (not the "trnc") will not return Varosha is because once the world's media get in there Turkey will be shown up for the vindictive mean spirited country it is and world opinion will turn against it. There was an interesting feature in Cyprus Mail about Varosha a few days ago, http://www.cyprus-mail.com/features/fam ... without-us.

Fred, if you care to go back into the forum "archives" you will find instances where the "authorities" in the north have frustrated exports through the ROC for political reasons. I also recall a mention of the fact that shipping rates from Famagusta port are unecessarily high because of a momopoly operated byTC shippers. The "trnc" has access to the market on the mainland, does it really need the EU market as well?

[YFred]

Firstly, I post this given the post by Oracle was dispicable and I note many rejected the implication, for which I am thankful.

For the sake of discussion, it does present the thought, what about looking at things in the other direction.

I would contend from what I have read on this site, probably most GCs would not kill as they had done in the past, but most do believe it is right to continue the deplorable isolation that impacts the living conditions and opportunities for their "partners" on the island.

Both sides have suffered similar fates with refugees, murders, lands lost. Yet TCs are continually crushed by the megalomaniac endeavours of GCs.

Christofias = Papadopulos = GCs in general = Akritas lives on in an economic, social and political form.

Indeed we all have our opinions, but if we look at who is continuing to punish whom as well as showing restraint on finding a solution, we have a clear answer.

GCs will happily inflict pain on TCs for their false constitution.

Both sides have isues with each other, "isolation" being one of many. Why not show a little goodwill and give us back Varosha - it will cost you nothing, in fact TCs would probably benefit from the re-building jobs available.

Only if you allow free trade to the north and that will cost you nothing in the same way.
Deal?

YFred
Maybe. But not necessarily.

First, if there is a log-jam - and 35 years is quite long for a log-jam - then some party has to break the jam. So yes it could be RoC on N-S trade,but it could also be TRNC/Turkey on Varosha. Saying "you go first" "no, you go first" does not break the log jam :it is the log-jam !

Second, just one break in the log-jam may be all that is necessary to allow a complete free-flow of follow on negotiations. Worth a risk over another 35 years ?

Third, in this specific case, given the 'ghost' status of Varosha what has TRNC/Turkey got to lose by using this to break the log-jam ? Doesn't it have everything to gain (at no cost) ?

Copperline, the real reason Turkey (not the "trnc") will not return Varosha is because once the world's media get in there Turkey will be shown up for the vindictive mean spirited country it is and world opinion will turn against it. There was an interesting feature in Cyprus Mail about Varosha a few days ago, http://www.cyprus-mail.com/features/fam ... without-us.

Fred, if you care to go back into the forum "archives" you will find instances where the "authorities" in the north have frustrated exports through the ROC for political reasons. I also recall a mention of the fact that shipping rates from Famagusta port are unecessarily high because of a momopoly operated byTC shippers. The "trnc" has access to the market on the mainland, does it really need the EU market as well?

First of all, when I compared the price of Famagusta and Limassol was with a UK company and the difference was 4 times more expensive for the same item. Kid yourselves as much as you like and keep the free trade closed to the north and you will reap the benefits in the end.
Try explaining to the scots that they don't need their airports, heathrow is sufficient to their needs.
It's a dumb argument and is turning the TCs against roc. 6 more months of this and you will understand what I mean.
I suspect the Varosha thoughts have resurfaced because the Orams case killed the construction industry in the north, but nobody forsaw what it would do to the south.
How is the construction industry in the south for the last six months, form what I hear from GC friends, its collapsing, No?

[Sotos]

CopperLine didn't yet realize that the attempt to create a "trnc" was invalid. He thinks that there is such "trnc" and that this "trnc" can decide things

[Sotos]

Cyprus would be a peaceful democratic country if it wasn't for the Turks. The Turks keep invading our island, keep killing the native Cypriot people, keep stealing our lands, keep bringing their Settlers on our island ... same story for the last 400 years!! We lost count of how many 10000s Cypriots the Turks killed during all these years. The problem of Cyprus is called Turkish expansionism. Their minority could stay in Cyprus like all other minorities in all other countries but no. They choose war again because they don't want to allow freedom and democracy to Cyprus. And they blame us because we insist on democracy, freedom and human rights

[YFred]

Soto, what kind of stupid comment is that? Is TRNC not going to vote in the next referendum if it happens. Some of you GCs are just unbelievable.