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[TonyC]

I'm certainly not going to dispute the points about Cyprus Airways, although I must admit that last time I used them a couple of years ago, they were much better than the cheap and cheerful alternatives. I got the feeling of being back in the '70's, with a hot meal, free drinks, hostesses that call you sir, etc.

However, my main point is that using the price of cups of tea at the airport is a bit over the top IMHO.
It's not the airport that's at fault, or not even the guy that sells you the cup of tea at inflated prices. It's the person who buys the cup of tea who makes it possible to sell it at twice as much as Heathrow. If everybody buys, you accept the price; if no-one buys, then the price will come down.

Mind you, I have problems imagining Mr. & Mrs. Average in London, Birmingham or Manchester trying to decide on their holiday

"Where shall we go this year, dear - Cyprus or Benidorm?"
"Well certainly not Cyprus, the airport tea costs 1 euro more, and that's really going to ruin my holiday!"
"How about Blackpool then, we can save on the plane tickets?"
"Well dear, maybe we'll just stay at home and save on the whole holiday - and anyway, tea at Tesco's is much cheaper than a cup of hot water and a tea bag at Heathrow"

Let's face it, holidays are holidays and travel is travel. You do it whatever the tea costs...

Have a nice flight!

[Kikapu]

Booking a flight to Cyprus for Dec 24th to Jan 7th , a whole two weeks , my longest ever time in Cyprus.
British airways same day an hour later , same return , charges £345.00 , CYA on the other hand , infected no doubt by that Cypriot decease currently rampant at Paphos and Larnaca airport , KOPSEKKELLE , charge £507 plus £10 booking fee ( greedy bastards) making a total of £517 , which is £172 more than BA REPRESSENTING 47% MORE !!!
Who runs Cyprus Airways for crying out loud . It is the nations national airline and it should act responsibly not allowing some tin pot little accountant decide on the price.
Now , I'm not a stingy man but at the same time I hate it when someone stitches me up .
Get your act together Cyprus airways pay attention to the competition .

Miltiades, you cannot compare BA and CA on equal footing, because all things being equal between the two airlines, it will cost more to fly to Cyprus with CA than BA just because BA can take more direct route to Larnaca from the UK than CA can, who is not allowed to fly over Turkey which would shorten the flying time by 30-45 minutes. This added time costs money in fuel, added pilots and flight attendants flying time which costs more money, more flying hours on the engines and the airframe on the aircraft which would need maintenance more frequently which adds to the cost. BA is also able to pay less for a new aircraft since they can get a much better deal from manufactures on large volume orders than CA can on ordering much fewer aircrafts. I'm not saying it should cost as much as 47% more that BA, but BA being a much larger company, they can afford to charge less since they operate on much greater volume of passengers than CA does. Once Turkey opens her airspace to CA, then you can make more comparable cost differentials, although BA will still have greater volume than CA, but the cost should go down some when flying on CA for the same route as BA from the UK.

[miltiades]

... Our tourist industry RELIES 100% on the average tourist not your Monte Carlo or Saint Tropes , Milano type , but the average Tourist , mostly British ...

Well that's where you are WRONG (amongst many other things). Maybe you want hordes of plebby Brits to fill your tacky rental apartments and heaven knows how many 2-star hotels you own and want to fill up. But Cyprus should be catering for the high-end of the market.

And stop insulting my friends ... she went to buy that £400 Chanel bag for the blind date I was fixing up for the two of you.

Don't like ..old bags !

[miltiades]

Booking a flight to Cyprus for Dec 24th to Jan 7th , a whole two weeks , my longest ever time in Cyprus.
British airways same day an hour later , same return , charges £345.00 , CYA on the other hand , infected no doubt by that Cypriot decease currently rampant at Paphos and Larnaca airport , KOPSEKKELLE , charge £507 plus £10 booking fee ( greedy bastards) making a total of £517 , which is £172 more than BA REPRESSENTING 47% MORE !!!
Who runs Cyprus Airways for crying out loud . It is the nations national airline and it should act responsibly not allowing some tin pot little accountant decide on the price.
Now , I'm not a stingy man but at the same time I hate it when someone stitches me up .
Get your act together Cyprus airways pay attention to the competition .

Miltiades, you cannot compare BA and CA on equal footing, because all things being equal between the two airlines, it will cost more to fly to Cyprus with CA than BA just because BA can take more direct route to Larnaca from the UK than CA can, who is not allowed to fly over Turkey which would shorten the flying time by 30-45 minutes. This added time costs money in fuel, added pilots and flight attendants flying time which costs more money, more flying hours on the engines and the airframe on the aircraft which would need maintenance more frequently which adds to the cost. BA is also able to pay less for a new aircraft since they can get a much better deal from manufactures on large volume orders than CA can on ordering much fewer aircrafts. I'm not saying it should cost as much as 47% more that BA, but BA being a much larger company, they can afford to charge less since they operate on much greater volume of passengers than CA does. Once Turkey opens her airspace to CA, then you can make more comparable cost differentials, although BA will still have greater volume than CA, but the cost should go down some when flying on CA for the same route as BA from the UK.

Kikapu , that is a valid point but one that fades into insignificance when one is reaching for his debit card . I have flown on Cyprus airways numerous times over the years and cant recall the aircraft being full . The point that I emphasize is the fact that CA has been losing money over the years .Its aircraft travel not at the full potential , would it not make sense , since it is after all the nations national airline , to become competitive and attain more passengers. I prefer flying out of Gatwick anyway , nearer home , and CA do not have a service now from GA.

In my business , catering equipment , we always try to be competitive , cant always do so , but we do aim to be not the most expensive supplier in London. CA IS the most expensive in the UK !

[DT.]

Booking a flight to Cyprus for Dec 24th to Jan 7th , a whole two weeks , my longest ever time in Cyprus.
British airways same day an hour later , same return , charges £345.00 , CYA on the other hand , infected no doubt by that Cypriot decease currently rampant at Paphos and Larnaca airport , KOPSEKKELLE , charge £507 plus £10 booking fee ( greedy bastards) making a total of £517 , which is £172 more than BA REPRESSENTING 47% MORE !!!
Who runs Cyprus Airways for crying out loud . It is the nations national airline and it should act responsibly not allowing some tin pot little accountant decide on the price.
Now , I'm not a stingy man but at the same time I hate it when someone stitches me up .
Get your act together Cyprus airways pay attention to the competition .

Miltiades, you cannot compare BA and CA on equal footing, because all things being equal between the two airlines, it will cost more to fly to Cyprus with CA than BA just because BA can take more direct route to Larnaca from the UK than CA can, who is not allowed to fly over Turkey which would shorten the flying time by 30-45 minutes. This added time costs money in fuel, added pilots and flight attendants flying time which costs more money, more flying hours on the engines and the airframe on the aircraft which would need maintenance more frequently which adds to the cost. BA is also able to pay less for a new aircraft since they can get a much better deal from manufactures on large volume orders than CA can on ordering much fewer aircrafts. I'm not saying it should cost as much as 47% more that BA, but BA being a much larger company, they can afford to charge less since they operate on much greater volume of passengers than CA does. Once Turkey opens her airspace to CA, then you can make more comparable cost differentials, although BA will still have greater volume than CA, but the cost should go down some when flying on CA for the same route as BA from the UK.

Kikapu , that is a valid point but one that fades into insignificance when one is reaching for his debit card . I have flown on Cyprus airways numerous times over the years and cant recall the aircraft being full . The point that I emphasize is the fact that CA has been losing money over the years .Its aircraft travel not at the full potential , would it not make sense , since it is after all the nations national airline , to become competitive and attain more passengers. I prefer flying out of Gatwick anyway , nearer home , and CA do not have a service now from GA.

In my business , catering equipment , we always try to be competitive , cant always do so , but we do aim to be not the most expensive supplier in London. CA IS the most expensive in the UK !

You want losses? BA posted 500m GBP losses last May.

[Kikapu]

Booking a flight to Cyprus for Dec 24th to Jan 7th , a whole two weeks , my longest ever time in Cyprus.
British airways same day an hour later , same return , charges £345.00 , CYA on the other hand , infected no doubt by that Cypriot decease currently rampant at Paphos and Larnaca airport , KOPSEKKELLE , charge £507 plus £10 booking fee ( greedy bastards) making a total of £517 , which is £172 more than BA REPRESSENTING 47% MORE !!!
Who runs Cyprus Airways for crying out loud . It is the nations national airline and it should act responsibly not allowing some tin pot little accountant decide on the price.
Now , I'm not a stingy man but at the same time I hate it when someone stitches me up .
Get your act together Cyprus airways pay attention to the competition .

Miltiades, you cannot compare BA and CA on equal footing, because all things being equal between the two airlines, it will cost more to fly to Cyprus with CA than BA just because BA can take more direct route to Larnaca from the UK than CA can, who is not allowed to fly over Turkey which would shorten the flying time by 30-45 minutes. This added time costs money in fuel, added pilots and flight attendants flying time which costs more money, more flying hours on the engines and the airframe on the aircraft which would need maintenance more frequently which adds to the cost. BA is also able to pay less for a new aircraft since they can get a much better deal from manufactures on large volume orders than CA can on ordering much fewer aircrafts. I'm not saying it should cost as much as 47% more that BA, but BA being a much larger company, they can afford to charge less since they operate on much greater volume of passengers than CA does. Once Turkey opens her airspace to CA, then you can make more comparable cost differentials, although BA will still have greater volume than CA, but the cost should go down some when flying on CA for the same route as BA from the UK.

Kikapu , that is a valid point but one that fades into insignificance when one is reaching for his debit card . I have flown on Cyprus airways numerous times over the years and cant recall the aircraft being full . The point that I emphasize is the fact that CA has been losing money over the years .Its aircraft travel not at the full potential , would it not make sense , since it is after all the nations national airline , to become competitive and attain more passengers. I prefer flying out of Gatwick anyway , nearer home , and CA do not have a service now from GA.

In my business , catering equipment , we always try to be competitive , cant always do so , but we do aim to be not the most expensive supplier in London. CA IS the most expensive in the UK !

The problem is, if CA was to reduce it's fares to match BA's, despite everything costing them more than BA to fly to Larnaca, they will start losing more money, because it will not guarantee that they will get more passengers because BA will be able to undercut them still by offering cheaper fares. The added passengers to CA might bring the same revenue when they had less passengers at higher fares, but now you have added more weight to the aircraft with the increased passengers which will require more fuel than before, more workload all around for the ground crew, hence the cost going up again.! Many airlines are flying at a loss despite having very good loads, just because they want to compete with those who charge less because they have cut their employees pays and pensions to next to nothing.! As Paphitis mentioned earlier regarding flying on cheap airlines, the risks on safety starts to become compromised.!

[miltiades]

Booking a flight to Cyprus for Dec 24th to Jan 7th , a whole two weeks , my longest ever time in Cyprus.
British airways same day an hour later , same return , charges £345.00 , CYA on the other hand , infected no doubt by that Cypriot decease currently rampant at Paphos and Larnaca airport , KOPSEKKELLE , charge £507 plus £10 booking fee ( greedy bastards) making a total of £517 , which is £172 more than BA REPRESSENTING 47% MORE !!!
Who runs Cyprus Airways for crying out loud . It is the nations national airline and it should act responsibly not allowing some tin pot little accountant decide on the price.
Now , I'm not a stingy man but at the same time I hate it when someone stitches me up .
Get your act together Cyprus airways pay attention to the competition .

Miltiades, you cannot compare BA and CA on equal footing, because all things being equal between the two airlines, it will cost more to fly to Cyprus with CA than BA just because BA can take more direct route to Larnaca from the UK than CA can, who is not allowed to fly over Turkey which would shorten the flying time by 30-45 minutes. This added time costs money in fuel, added pilots and flight attendants flying time which costs more money, more flying hours on the engines and the airframe on the aircraft which would need maintenance more frequently which adds to the cost. BA is also able to pay less for a new aircraft since they can get a much better deal from manufactures on large volume orders than CA can on ordering much fewer aircrafts. I'm not saying it should cost as much as 47% more that BA, but BA being a much larger company, they can afford to charge less since they operate on much greater volume of passengers than CA does. Once Turkey opens her airspace to CA, then you can make more comparable cost differentials, although BA will still have greater volume than CA, but the cost should go down some when flying on CA for the same route as BA from the UK.

Kikapu , that is a valid point but one that fades into insignificance when one is reaching for his debit card . I have flown on Cyprus airways numerous times over the years and cant recall the aircraft being full . The point that I emphasize is the fact that CA has been losing money over the years .Its aircraft travel not at the full potential , would it not make sense , since it is after all the nations national airline , to become competitive and attain more passengers. I prefer flying out of Gatwick anyway , nearer home , and CA do not have a service now from GA.

In my business , catering equipment , we always try to be competitive , cant always do so , but we do aim to be not the most expensive supplier in London. CA IS the most expensive in the UK !

You want losses? BA posted 500m GBP losses last May.

DT , BA have consistently made huge profits over the last 4 years , that is 2005-2006-2007-2008 . CA Lost money all those years.
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/ ... profit.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7404085.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7221537.stm

[angeluscy]

Cyprus cannot cater for the highend of the market apart from a few decent hotels and golf courses , they have nothing much else to offer.

Its a fact that 80% of tourists who come to Cyprus from various regions of europe and other continents would not return.

Due to

Lack of facilities
Expense and quality of food and service therein
Run down areas
Rubbish littered streets and areas

There is no consensus on the approach to tourism, theres as always alot of talk and no action.

Look at another smaller med island like malta, they are doing very well at

Tourism
Technology
Finance
History

Because everyone agrees and does what is best for the island and community as a whole. They also have decent airlines as well as lowcost airlines coming in.

It saddens me that Cyprus is not living up to anywhere near its potential, politicians and businesses are just out for whatever they can get out of the locals and any one coming in, in the shortest period possible, re screwing you.

I've seen several quality Intl businesses who setup shop here 4-5 years ago, all leave and go elsewhere due to lack of facilities. This removes jobs from here for everyone!

Internet is a joke, there is nowhere near enough bandwidth for the island, both backbones come into the same location and with primetel being held up thats not going to improve.

How many times do you try to make an international call only to find all the circuits are busy or you get cut off mid conversation, or have heavy static/delays on the line.

The island is geographically well positioned, but until a will to sort it out, its never gonna be and may have already missed its chance to be a decent financial jurisdiction. And the laundered russian money wont be there for ever no matter what anyone says.

[Oracle]

... Our tourist industry RELIES 100% on the average tourist not your Monte Carlo or Saint Tropes , Milano type , but the average Tourist , mostly British ...

Well that's where you are WRONG (amongst many other things). Maybe you want hordes of plebby Brits to fill your tacky rental apartments and heaven knows how many 2-star hotels you own and want to fill up. But Cyprus should be catering for the high-end of the market.

And stop insulting my friends ... she went to buy that £400 Chanel bag for the blind date I was fixing up for the two of you.

Don't like ..old bags !

OMG ... It's worse than I thought! Not only have you no class as far as buying drinks and flights without forever mentioning the cost; you now think you're in the "league of gentlemen" who go out with women young enough to be their daughters. You old scoundrel! I am here to keep you in tow and stop you making a fool of yourself, you old codger!

[angeluscy]

Cyprus cannot cater for the highend of the market apart from a few decent hotels and golf courses , they have nothing much else to offer.

Its a fact that 80% of tourists who come to Cyprus from various regions of europe and other continents would not return.

Due to

Lack of facilities
Expense and quality of food and service therein
Run down areas
Rubbish littered streets and areas

There is no consensus on the approach to tourism, theres as always alot of talk and no action.

Look at another smaller med island like malta, they are doing very well at

Tourism
Technology
Finance
History

Because everyone agrees and does what is best for the island and community as a whole. They also have decent airlines as well as lowcost airlines coming in.

It saddens me that Cyprus is not living up to anywhere near its potential, politicians and businesses are just out for whatever they can get out of the locals and any one coming in, in the shortest period possible, re screwing you.

I've seen several quality Intl businesses who setup shop here 4-5 years ago, all leave and go elsewhere due to lack of facilities. This removes jobs from here for everyone!

Internet is a joke, there is nowhere near enough bandwidth for the island, both backbones come into the same location and with primetel being held up thats not going to improve.

How many times do you try to make an international call only to find all the circuits are busy or you get cut off mid conversation, or have heavy static/delays on the line.

The island is geographically well positioned, but until a will to sort it out, its never gonna be and may have already missed its chance to be a decent financial jurisdiction. And the laundered russian money wont be there for ever no matter what anyone says.