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[wallace]

Flying to Cyprus next week with Malev from Amsterdam with stop in Budapest. 105 Euro for the return ticket

[miltiades]

I will never again travel with British Airways after my last two experiences ... both a direct result of their "cost-cutting" exercises as the whole "company" is bankrupt.

Cyprus Airways are excellent value for money.

If you can't afford it, stay away/home, or pack sandwiches/thermos!

Better for the environment, all round ...

O, do try and be rational. It is not a question whether one can afford the inflated CY Prices. The prices are high purely because of mismanagement. CA HAS BEEN LOSING MONEY FOR YEARS !!
As for BA , I have travelled many times and have always been entirely satisfied . On one occasion , June this year , Iris was unwell and the service provided by BA was second to none.
It would be unwise and rather spend-drift just to throw money away out of nationalistic pride !!

It has nothing to do with nationalistic pride and everything to do with experience. I've probably flown to a greater variety of places than you, using BA ... and they stink (literally!). If you look at the statistics, you will find that CA has been outperforming BA who are now having to sell off some of their assets to make ends meet.

But then you pretend a reversal effect through thinking it gives you some kind of "rebel" image.

I'm as passionate about Cyprus as perhaps you no doubt are , but fuck me if I'm going to stick up for a bunch of MAVRAGORITES who don't give a shit about Cyprus just care about their own pockets . I also have no time for those developers that are misappropriating their clients funds and give Cyprus a bad image. Those Pahos and Larnaca airpots bloody crooks ( a cup of tea with a rubbish tea bag for 2.80 !! ) need their arses kicked and exposed for what they are.

As far as BA goes I have used them extensively over the years alternating between CA and BA , I have found them always pleasant and responsive to my persistent request for another ..bottle !!
Cyprus has no other industry capable of replacing the Tourist industry as A, the largest employer and B the largest contributor to Cyprus's finances .
Over the years I have watched with pride , the very costly no doubt improvements carried out to Limassol , and have taken immense joy at seeing the finished result reflect an image that I'm proud of.
Encouraging tourists we must , ripping tourists off we must not.
ps. Spoken like the true Miltiades that once was

[bluelagoon33]

why not back pack here....much cheaper. healthier!!

eehhh you might get here xmas 2011;)))

[miltiades]

why not back pack here....much cheaper. healthier!!

eehhh you might get here xmas 2011;)))

Once a smart arse always a smart arse , calm down son !!

[Oracle]

I'm as passionate about Cyprus as perhaps you no doubt are , but fuck me if I'm going to stick up for a bunch of MAVRAGORITES who don't give a shit about Cyprus just care about their own pockets . I also have no time for those developers that are misappropriating their clients funds and give Cyprus a bad image. Those Pahos and Larnaca airpots bloody crooks ( a cup of tea with a rubbish tea bag for 2.80 !! ) need their arses kicked and exposed for what they are.

As far as BA goes I have used them extensively over the years alternating between CA and BA , I have found them always pleasant and responsive to my persistent request for another ..bottle !!
Cyprus has no other industry capable of replacing the Tourist industry as A, the largest employer and B the largest contributor to Cyprus's finances .
Over the years I have watched with pride , the very costly no doubt improvements carried out to Limassol , and have taken immense joy at seeing the finished result reflect an image that I'm proud of.
Encouraging tourists we must , ripping tourists off we must not.
ps. Spoken like the true Miltiades that once was

Miltiades ... I have no doubt you have millions; but I, also, am assured you have no class! How did Milan become so wealthy compared to Sicily? By charging over the odds and selling minute portions. Not by making their expensive goods and wares available to all and sundry.

Cyprus is small, so it has to go for the discerning high end of the market and not the "stack-em-high-and-sell-em-cheap" Tesco variety. So prices have to be inflated for practical reasons.

My wealthiest friend trotted off to London, yesterday, to bid for a vintage Chanel bag with a starting price of £400 ... I think she's mad, but she does look classy!

[DT.]

Cyprus Air to the UK uses the spacious A330 A joy in business class with its 2-2-2 wide seating and individual entertainment screens.

BA flies the 757's with a 3-2-3 sitting while not using the middle seat this still makes the seats much narrower. It also has no individual screens instead relying on 1990's monitors in the aisle every 4 rows (god forbid you're on the 4th you won't see a thing.)

In economy CA has the 2-2/2-2 seating giving you a much more spacious feeling than the 3-3-3 pf BA. Again CA has individual screens with phone and BA has monitors in the aisle.

Just a few differences of why you pay more with CA. I have more if you like.

[Paphitis]

Market forces will always dictate prices. Cyprus Airways being a small airline, with above average service levels, and leg room since passengers are not packed like sardines, will always be in a position to sell their tickets at a higher price because their will be many passengers who are willing to pay because they appreciate their creature comforts.

If load factors were low, then CA would have no choice but to lower prices. But since load factors and utilization are above 80%, they are able to charge more.

Furthermore, I have had a look at their website and found that CA does sell return tickets from London, in the 300 Euro category. If you book well in advance, then this is particularly true, but if you book at short notice, then you should be prepared to pay much more due to reduced ticket availability.

People need to be very wary that aviation these days is headed down the wrong path. The catch phrase these days is "Affordable Safety". So I would not be too eager to talk down airlines and prices, because this has a non financial cost to it as well, and I am certain many of you are unwilling to pay that price.

Pilots are increasingly being abused with less and less protection against fatigue from prolonged sectors across many time zones which disrupt circadian rhythms and hence reduces pilot clarity and therefore reduces safety.

Pilots use to operate under the Civil Aviation Order 48.0 or the equivalent Joint Aviation Authority Order which regulates that pilot's must not be rostered to fly more than 8 hours, and have a duty of in excess of 12 straight hours. This Flight and Duty time restriction must be split with a rest period of 4 hours and this tour of duty is followed by 2 consecutive Rostered Days Off.

These days this has all gone out the window, and many carriers are able to apply for dispensations by replacing CAO 48.0 with a Fatigue Risk Management System (FRMS) which calculates a Fatigue Score. This circumvents CAO 48.0 and gives carriers more flexibility, but the downside is that Pilots are becoming dangerously tired. Carriers are employing fewer pilots since productivity is on the rise, but conditions of employment have been eroded to such a point where older experienced pilots are retiring much earlier, and more and more inexperienced pilots are taking their place on lower packages. Thus running costs have been markedly reduced allowing airlines the ability to sell cheaper tickets which would barely cover running costs 10-20 years ago.

Just remember folks, that Pilots are human and have recently come under significant commercial pressures which go against our grain, which we hold so dear - SAFETY.

Is that the kind of aviation industry you want?

Safety is very serious business people, and it comes with a price tag! Affordable Safety will cost YOU more in the long run, and I'm not talking about your bank balance!

Some interesting reading for all of you:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/732 ... rs-at-risk

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europ ... .protests/

So their are very valid reasons why pilots will sometimes take industrial action. Its not just about pay increases, but more to do with work conditions which are a detriment to the flying public. People need to think about that before they get on their high horses.

[SKI-preo]

Cyprus Airlines should become purely a luxury airline- there is no money in this cut throat 9 euro fare nonsense. It also brings rif raf to Cyprus. Look at the decline of many formerly decent holiday destinations flooded with plebes. I say bump up the prices charge more for everything and cut mass development.

[miltiades]

I'm as passionate about Cyprus as perhaps you no doubt are , but fuck me if I'm going to stick up for a bunch of MAVRAGORITES who don't give a shit about Cyprus just care about their own pockets . I also have no time for those developers that are misappropriating their clients funds and give Cyprus a bad image. Those Pahos and Larnaca airpots bloody crooks ( a cup of tea with a rubbish tea bag for 2.80 !! ) need their arses kicked and exposed for what they are.

As far as BA goes I have used them extensively over the years alternating between CA and BA , I have found them always pleasant and responsive to my persistent request for another ..bottle !!
Cyprus has no other industry capable of replacing the Tourist industry as A, the largest employer and B the largest contributor to Cyprus's finances .
Over the years I have watched with pride , the very costly no doubt improvements carried out to Limassol , and have taken immense joy at seeing the finished result reflect an image that I'm proud of.
Encouraging tourists we must , ripping tourists off we must not.
ps. Spoken like the true Miltiades that once was

Miltiades ... I have no doubt you have millions; but I, also, am assured you have no class! How did Milan become so wealthy compared to Sicily? By charging over the odds and selling minute portions. Not by making their expensive goods and wares available to all and sundry.

Cyprus is small, so it has to go for the discerning high end of the market and not the "stack-em-high-and-sell-em-cheap" Tesco variety. So prices have to be inflated for practical reasons.

My wealthiest friend trotted off to London, yesterday, to bid for a vintage Chanel bag with a starting price of £400 ... I think she's mad, but she does look classy!

It appears to me that you are confusing " class" with greed , style with money and overpriced handbags!!
Our tourist industry RELIES 100% on the average tourist not your Monte Carlo or Saint Tropes , Milano type , but the average Tourist , mostly British , who expect to get a fair deal when in Cyprus. Tourism is a very competitive industry with Turkey , Greece , Latvia , Bulgaria and many other destinations competing. Just because you personally dislike tourists , and there is a reason for that , it does not mean that the biggest workforce in the land shares your antipathy as they hugely rely on the industry to provide their means of existence.
CA has been losing money for years , every light that I have been on has been less than half full , stupidity and bad management allow an aircraft to fly on less than half capacity while keeping inflated prices. Most travellers want value for money and if they can get it from BA or Easy Jet they will do so.

As for your ...lady friend who rushed off to Milan in order to acquire a handbag with a starting price of £400 , let me comment that it isn't class that she has but too much bloody money and no fucking sense !!
For your information "class" is often confused with the acquisition of expensive items , you have class when you can associate with the rich , the poor , the healthy and not so healthy and you must DEFINITELY enjoy a good bottle of claret !!! Your friend cant possibly have class , an old bag yes but class NO!!

[Oracle]

... Our tourist industry RELIES 100% on the average tourist not your Monte Carlo or Saint Tropes , Milano type , but the average Tourist , mostly British ...

Well that's where you are WRONG (amongst many other things). Maybe you want hordes of plebby Brits to fill your tacky rental apartments and heaven knows how many 2-star hotels you own and want to fill up. But Cyprus should be catering for the high-end of the market.

And stop insulting my friends ... she went to buy that £400 Chanel bag for the blind date I was fixing up for the two of you.