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[runaway]

What more needs to be said. If you don't actually guarantee what you're meant to guarantee you're no longer a guarantor.

Guarantors of loans stop being guarantors if they don't actually provide the guarantee. More than that, the ex-guarantor is liable to lose their own assets. Bit like what's happening to Turkey.

Guarantee of Türkiye is not on the table. So it is take it or take it.

[Hermes]

Sorry. My misunderstanding of what is a "Red Line".
As you define them, the red lines are like coins - TC side of the coin is the opposite of the GC side. e.g. You insist TR guarantor status must go - TC's don't agree. This doesn't make the TCs any more obstinate than the GCs.

Thanks. Yes. That's certainly a red line. Given that Turkey didn't actually guarantee Cyprus's territorial integrity (as she and Greece and Britain were obliged to do by treaty) but did the exact opposite, the guarantor status of all three countries is, self-evidently, null and void. This isn't obstinacy, it's common sense.

"self-evidently, null and void" is an interesting interpretation. Care to expand on it a bit?

Jesus. I would have thought it obvious that occupying northern Cyprus, expelling its residents, desecrating its heritage and attempting to replace its population with settlers is not what was envisaged under the treaty of guarantee. Turkey has lost all moral authority to act as guarantor of anything in Cyprus. Its presence in Cyprus is nothing more than an expression of its disgusting and perverted territorial ambition.

Turkey has no role left in Cyprus because it cannot be trusted. The Greek Cypriot majority will have nothing to do with them. The EU will be the new guarantor of citizen's rights in Cyprus. So Turkey can take its red line and shove it where it hurts.

[Malapapa]

What more needs to be said. If you don't actually guarantee what you're meant to guarantee you're no longer a guarantor.

Guarantors of loans stop being guarantors if they don't actually provide the guarantee. More than that, the ex-guarantor is liable to lose their own assets. Bit like what's happening to Turkey.

Guarantee of Türkiye is not on the table. So it is take it or take it.

Go away you foolish man.

[vaughanwilliams]

http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/59044
"The President said that the Turkish Armed Forces would withdraw from the island in the event of a solution, however he added that symbolic contingents from both Turkey and Greece could remain on the island, as envisaged in the 2004 Annan Plan."

[Malapapa]

http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/59044
"The President said that the Turkish Armed Forces would withdraw from the island in the event of a solution, however he added that symbolic contingents from both Turkey and Greece could remain on the island, as envisaged in the 2004 Annan Plan."

Such contingents would be symbolic of Cyprus's inability to be sovereign. These are not the words of a "President".

[vaughanwilliams]

http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/59044
"The President said that the Turkish Armed Forces would withdraw from the island in the event of a solution, however he added that symbolic contingents from both Turkey and Greece could remain on the island, as envisaged in the 2004 Annan Plan."

Such contingents would be symbolic of Cyprus's inability to be sovereign. These are not the words of a "President".

You certainly don't need any more symbols of that. You have enough already. These are the words of a pragmatist - try it some time.

[Malapapa]

Is a pragmatist the sort of person who buys a dodgy ipod from a dodgy geezer down the pub, to save money? If so, I'll pass.

[vaughanwilliams]

Is a pragmatist the sort of person who buys a dodgy ipod from a dodgy geezer down the pub, to save money? If so, I'll pass.

No. A pragmatist is a person who believes in compromise. Is there a Greek word for that?

[denizaksulu]

Is a pragmatist the sort of person who buys a dodgy ipod from a dodgy geezer down the pub, to save money? If so, I'll pass.

No. A pragmatist is a person who believes in compromise. Is there a Greek word for that?

It IS a Greek word. ......................probably.

[denizaksulu]

Pragmatikos=to do a deed.