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[Paphitis]

His name is Dean Thomas.

I'm an expatriate New Zealander now living in the United States (first California, now Arkansas). I suppose that means I'm a Kiwi CalArkansan!
I'm middle-aged (mid 40's), yet I still love to watch certain cartoons. Fairly Odd Parents, Danny Phantom, The Simpsons, Family Guy, Kim Possible.

http://expatkiwi.deviantart.com/

And thats his mental ability for you. No good argueing with him, just wasting good posts. He is hell bent of fighting the TCs cause (at a price probably), he has no connections with TCs other than a pen friend Denktash. Perhaps Mr Denktash is considering gifting him some STOLEN GC property.

Way to go Tim.

Uh, no. Mr. Denktash has promised me nothing of the kind. I did get an autographed pic of him though...
Anyway, why does the fact that I still like to watch cartoons make me suspect? Considering all the other stuff on television these days, light entertainment makes for a welcome diversion.
Also, I have more than Mr. Denktash as a friend and contact in TRNC, Mitch.
Am I getting so much of a threat to you that you have to resort to such tactics? I should be flattered, but I'll try and keep things in perspective...

It's Mitso in Greek!

[Expatkiwi]

It's Mitso in Greek!

Thanks for the translation, Paphitis. BTW, what's your take on the TRNC flag? I know you don't regard it as a ligitimate national flag, but if there was a reconciliation and the partition ended, would that flag still be retained simply to represent the Turkish Cypriot community?

[Paphitis]

It's Mitso in Greek!

Thanks for the translation, Paphitis. BTW, what's your take on the TRNC flag? I know you don't regard it as a ligitimate national flag, but if there was a reconciliation and the partition ended, would that flag still be retained simply to represent the Turkish Cypriot community?

The "trnc" is nothing more than the inverted flag of Turkey. As such, it represents invasion, ethnic cleansing, death and destruction to the majority GCs, so it can never be accepted as a flag promoting peaceful coexistence between the 2 communities.

We could also have inverted the Greek Flag and used it as our own. But who would we be kidding? The TCs would find this equally objectionable.

So instead, we prefer the neutral TC designed RoC flag. Whether this continues to be the unified state's flag is neither here nor there. If it is changed, then another neutral yet innovative and beautiful design should be adopted, just like the proposed new flag of New Zealand. Something that is acceptable and represents both communities by doing away with Turkish and Greek nationalism and replacing it with allegiance to one flag and one state.

If that can't be achieved, then I pity you all, because you are all fucked...

[vaughanwilliams]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_passionel

Solomou case was cold blooded, premeditated murder . In-excusable. Stop trying to justify it and condemn it for what it was.

Unless ofcourse you are being helpful to the debate by providing a definition for Crime of Passion.

Cold blooded - maybe, pre-meditated - not at all.
It was more the Wiki reference to "temporary insanity" as a defence for a crime of passion that I was drawing attention to. I can't speak for TRNC but many nations see the "desecration" of national flags as a huge insult (viz US and/or UK flags being burnt in public demonstrations). I wonder how these same people would react to seeing their own flag thus "desecrated"? Would it drive them to acts of similar violence whilst enraged or "temporarily insane"?

The US and UK behave like civilised nations where the Human Rights of their citizens are respected.

It is considered a diplomatic right for citizens to burn their own flag during public demonstrations. The worst thing that could happen is that the demonstrators could get arrested for disturbing the peace or for some other lame charge. They will then be released on bail, to appear in court. Charges could either be thrown out, or the defendant might be required to pay a small fine.

The US and UK do not commit murder over their flag and that is a fact.

The Greek Flag and RoC Flag have been desecrated many times, especially during student demonstrations. No one is even arrested for doing this. So I don't know what your getting at.

What I'm getting at is that Turks, and people of a similar mentality, act and react in a far different way than you and I might, and this instance only goes to prove it.
You should know by now that Turks are a very "hot blooded" race (to say the least) and it behoves us to bear it in mind when we have dealings with them.
In other words - Don't fuck with them!

[Paphitis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_passionel

Solomou case was cold blooded, premeditated murder . In-excusable. Stop trying to justify it and condemn it for what it was.

Unless ofcourse you are being helpful to the debate by providing a definition for Crime of Passion.

Cold blooded - maybe, pre-meditated - not at all.
It was more the Wiki reference to "temporary insanity" as a defence for a crime of passion that I was drawing attention to. I can't speak for TRNC but many nations see the "desecration" of national flags as a huge insult (viz US and/or UK flags being burnt in public demonstrations). I wonder how these same people would react to seeing their own flag thus "desecrated"? Would it drive them to acts of similar violence whilst enraged or "temporarily insane"?

The US and UK behave like civilised nations where the Human Rights of their citizens are respected.

It is considered a diplomatic right for citizens to burn their own flag during public demonstrations. The worst thing that could happen is that the demonstrators could get arrested for disturbing the peace or for some other lame charge. They will then be released on bail, to appear in court. Charges could either be thrown out, or the defendant might be required to pay a small fine.

The US and UK do not commit murder over their flag and that is a fact.

The Greek Flag and RoC Flag have been desecrated many times, especially during student demonstrations. No one is even arrested for doing this. So I don't know what your getting at.

What I'm getting at is that Turks, and people of a similar mentality, act and react in a far different way than you and I might, and this instance only goes to prove it.
You should know by now that Turks are a very "hot blooded" race (to say the least) and it behoves us to bear it in mind when we have dealings with them.
In other words - Don't fuck with them!

GCs are hot blooded too, but they don't go around shooting people for desecrating a flag.

Only third world peoples behave like mongrel murderers....

[vaughanwilliams]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_passionel

Solomou case was cold blooded, premeditated murder . In-excusable. Stop trying to justify it and condemn it for what it was.

Unless ofcourse you are being helpful to the debate by providing a definition for Crime of Passion.

Cold blooded - maybe, pre-meditated - not at all.
It was more the Wiki reference to "temporary insanity" as a defence for a crime of passion that I was drawing attention to. I can't speak for TRNC but many nations see the "desecration" of national flags as a huge insult (viz US and/or UK flags being burnt in public demonstrations). I wonder how these same people would react to seeing their own flag thus "desecrated"? Would it drive them to acts of similar violence whilst enraged or "temporarily insane"?

The US and UK behave like civilised nations where the Human Rights of their citizens are respected.

It is considered a diplomatic right for citizens to burn their own flag during public demonstrations. The worst thing that could happen is that the demonstrators could get arrested for disturbing the peace or for some other lame charge. They will then be released on bail, to appear in court. Charges could either be thrown out, or the defendant might be required to pay a small fine.

The US and UK do not commit murder over their flag and that is a fact.

The Greek Flag and RoC Flag have been desecrated many times, especially during student demonstrations. No one is even arrested for doing this. So I don't know what your getting at.

What I'm getting at is that Turks, and people of a similar mentality, act and react in a far different way than you and I might, and this instance only goes to prove it.
You should know by now that Turks are a very "hot blooded" race (to say the least) and it behoves us to bear it in mind when we have dealings with them.
In other words - Don't fuck with them!

GCs are hot blooded too, but they don't go around shooting people for desecrating a flag.

Only third world peoples behave like mongrel murderers....

I'm not disagreeing with you and I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying you wouldn't do it, I wouldn't do it, but there are millions around the world who would and I guess the Turks are not alone in that. You are dealing with the descendants of Ghengis Khan, after all.

[Paphitis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_passionel

Solomou case was cold blooded, premeditated murder . In-excusable. Stop trying to justify it and condemn it for what it was.

Unless ofcourse you are being helpful to the debate by providing a definition for Crime of Passion.

Cold blooded - maybe, pre-meditated - not at all.
It was more the Wiki reference to "temporary insanity" as a defence for a crime of passion that I was drawing attention to. I can't speak for TRNC but many nations see the "desecration" of national flags as a huge insult (viz US and/or UK flags being burnt in public demonstrations). I wonder how these same people would react to seeing their own flag thus "desecrated"? Would it drive them to acts of similar violence whilst enraged or "temporarily insane"?

The US and UK behave like civilised nations where the Human Rights of their citizens are respected.

It is considered a diplomatic right for citizens to burn their own flag during public demonstrations. The worst thing that could happen is that the demonstrators could get arrested for disturbing the peace or for some other lame charge. They will then be released on bail, to appear in court. Charges could either be thrown out, or the defendant might be required to pay a small fine.

The US and UK do not commit murder over their flag and that is a fact.

The Greek Flag and RoC Flag have been desecrated many times, especially during student demonstrations. No one is even arrested for doing this. So I don't know what your getting at.

What I'm getting at is that Turks, and people of a similar mentality, act and react in a far different way than you and I might, and this instance only goes to prove it.
You should know by now that Turks are a very "hot blooded" race (to say the least) and it behoves us to bear it in mind when we have dealings with them.
In other words - Don't fuck with them!

GCs are hot blooded too, but they don't go around shooting people for desecrating a flag.

Only third world peoples behave like mongrel murderers....

I'm not disagreeing with you and I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying you wouldn't do it, I wouldn't do it, but there are millions around the world who would and I guess the Turks are not alone in that. You are dealing with the descendants of Ghengis Khan, after all.

They are more the descendants of Greeks than Ghengis Khan, but when they converted it is like evolution stood still.

They are an insecure lot because everything they have formed on our lands is only temporary.

Their only salvation is a unified state.

[Tim Drayton]

I have plenty of dealings with the Turkish Cypriot community and find Turkish Cypriots to be well educated, tolerant and civilised people. The suggestion that it is somehow 'in their blood' to commit murder at the slightest provocation is, in my eyes, nothing but a slur.

[Paphitis]

I have plenty of dealings with the Turkish Cypriot community and find Turkish Cypriots to be well educated, tolerant and civilised people. The suggestion that it is somehow 'in their blood' to commit murder at the slightest provocation is, in my eyes, nothing but a slur.

Waughanwilliams thinks they are animals. Or does he differentiate between the TCs and Turks? You might want to ask him that!

[vaughanwilliams]

I have plenty of dealings with the Turkish Cypriot community and find Turkish Cypriots to be well educated, tolerant and civilised people. The suggestion that it is somehow 'in their blood' to commit murder at the slightest provocation is, in my eyes, nothing but a slur.

Please point out to me where I referred to TCs rather than Turks.