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[vaughanwilliams]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_passionel

Solomou case was cold blooded, premeditated murder . In-excusable. Stop trying to justify it and condemn it for what it was.

Unless ofcourse you are being helpful to the debate by providing a definition for Crime of Passion.

Cold blooded - maybe, pre-meditated - not at all.
It was more the Wiki reference to "temporary insanity" as a defence for a crime of passion that I was drawing attention to. I can't speak for TRNC but many nations see the "desecration" of national flags as a huge insult (viz US and/or UK flags being burnt in public demonstrations). I wonder how these same people would react to seeing their own flag thus "desecrated"? Would it drive them to acts of similar violence whilst enraged or "temporarily insane"?

[Tim Drayton]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_passionel

Solomou case was cold blooded, premeditated murder . In-excusable. Stop trying to justify it and condemn it for what it was.

Unless ofcourse you are being helpful to the debate by providing a definition for Crime of Passion.

Cold blooded - maybe, pre-meditated - not at all.
It was more the Wiki reference to "temporary insanity" as a defence for a crime of passion that I was drawing attention to. I can't speak for TRNC but many nations see the "desecration" of national flags as a huge insult (viz US and/or UK flags being burnt in public demonstrations). I wonder how these same people would react to seeing their own flag thus "desecrated"? Would it drive them to acts of similar violence whilst enraged or "temporarily insane"?

But you have to speak for the TRNC - the alleged offence was committed on the de facto territory of the pseudo state. Does a woman who walks the streets of the TRNC with her head uncovered deserve to be flogged because this act is an offence in Iran or Saudi Arabia? Please justify summary execution as being the correct penalty for this offence under TRNC laws, or else shut up.

[vaughanwilliams]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_passionel

Solomou case was cold blooded, premeditated murder . In-excusable. Stop trying to justify it and condemn it for what it was.

Unless ofcourse you are being helpful to the debate by providing a definition for Crime of Passion.

Cold blooded - maybe, pre-meditated - not at all.
It was more the Wiki reference to "temporary insanity" as a defence for a crime of passion that I was drawing attention to. I can't speak for TRNC but many nations see the "desecration" of national flags as a huge insult (viz US and/or UK flags being burnt in public demonstrations). I wonder how these same people would react to seeing their own flag thus "desecrated"? Would it drive them to acts of similar violence whilst enraged or "temporarily insane"?

But you have to speak for the TRNC - the alleged offence was committed on the de facto territory of the pseudo state. Does a woman who walks the streets of the TRNC with her head uncovered deserve to be flogged because this act is an offence in Iran or Saudi Arabia? Please justify summary execution as being the correct penalty for this offence under TRNC laws, or else shut up.

When I say I can't speak for the TRNC it is because I am a Northern European who's education and background is not similar to a TR or TRNC person. Your reference to uncovered women is a red herring as I am not saying that the shooting of this person was an emulation of extremists elsewhere but a genuine homegrown reaction of someone whos feelings on the matter I do not empathise with. I don't see this as summary execution but the reaction of an ultra-nationalist defending his national "pride" and "honour". That doesn't mean I agree with it, but maybe I start to understand it.

[Tim Drayton]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_passionel

Solomou case was cold blooded, premeditated murder . In-excusable. Stop trying to justify it and condemn it for what it was.

Unless ofcourse you are being helpful to the debate by providing a definition for Crime of Passion.

Cold blooded - maybe, pre-meditated - not at all.
It was more the Wiki reference to "temporary insanity" as a defence for a crime of passion that I was drawing attention to. I can't speak for TRNC but many nations see the "desecration" of national flags as a huge insult (viz US and/or UK flags being burnt in public demonstrations). I wonder how these same people would react to seeing their own flag thus "desecrated"? Would it drive them to acts of similar violence whilst enraged or "temporarily insane"?

But you have to speak for the TRNC - the alleged offence was committed on the de facto territory of the pseudo state. Does a woman who walks the streets of the TRNC with her head uncovered deserve to be flogged because this act is an offence in Iran or Saudi Arabia? Please justify summary execution as being the correct penalty for this offence under TRNC laws, or else shut up.

When I say I can't speak for the TRNC it is because I am a Northern European who's education and background is not similar to a TR or TRNC person. Your reference to uncovered women is a red herring as I am not saying that the shooting of this person was an emulation of extremists elsewhere but a genuine homegrown reaction of someone whos feelings on the matter I do not empathise with. I don't see this as summary execution but the reaction of an ultra-nationalist defending his national "pride" and "honour". That doesn't mean I agree with it, but maybe I start to understand it.

My dear friend, we are simply talking about the law and legality. Quote the law or regulation in the TRNC statute book - you can find this at http://www.mahkemeler.net - which justifies summary execution without trial as the penalty for tearing down a foreign flag. If you can't, then you have nothing to add to this particular line of debate.

[Kikapu]

And typical of you not to answer the question!

What do you personally think Expat. (since you made the above threat.)

Would TCs kill GCs for the sake of their false flag?

I think TC's would take serious offense to such an action, and it would more than likely spark an assault. As to killing... well, it depends upon the person taking insult, doesn't it?

If it came to killing, would the killer in your view be guilty of murder under these circumstances?

according to expat in a previous thread he blamed the victim...he called him foolish and his death was caused because of his foolishness...

He purports to defend the TRNC as a legitimate, law-based state yet fails to condemn an extrajudicial killing for an offence which under the TRNC penal code ( http://www.mahkemeler.net/birlestirilmis/f_154.doc ) - article 324 'Wilful damage to property' appears to be applicable to the offence of tearing down a flag - probably carries a maximum penalty of three years' imprisonment or a fine. A law-based state means just that - people are penalised according to the offence they have committed following a fair trial and proceedings are initiated against those guilty of murder, including those responsible for extrajudicial killing. Which is it going to be? Gloating over the murder of a Greek Cypriot youth, or the defence of the TRNC as a legitimate, law-based state? Incidentally, where I wonder does he stand on the practice of dressing up in white robes and stringing up niggers from trees?

Probably that's why Expatkiwi moved to Arkansas from California to try and bring back the KKK.!

Expat is a morally corrupted individual who support an illegal and racist regime in the north who have created a corrupted society where one is not able to differentiate Wrongs from Rights, just because he holds Racists views towards the GCs and that he also thinks he is doing good for the TC cause by supporting all illegal, immoral, Fascistic and Racists rules in the north. I got news for Expat, he is not. All he is doing is supporting perpetual continuation of the misery of decent TCs in the north by his continual support of the Racists Fascists. The fact that he is a "pen-pal" with Denktash, who is the biggest Fascist Racists of them all, is all you need to know about who Expat is. He has no problem lying and creating false information as facts and even delete Racists information from others quotes on the forum just so not to make the north look bad. Expat is what is more commonly known as a WHORE to the highest bidder, and in Expat's case, if the bidding comes from the more immoral, the more Racist, the more Fascist, the more Illegal and the more Corrupt, the bigger the WHORE he becomes. He is in fact quite a disgusting person the way how he tries to make justifications to why he is such a WHORE with his antagonising and provocative ways with often with a smile on his face, I'm sure.!

[Tim Drayton]

And typical of you not to answer the question!

What do you personally think Expat. (since you made the above threat.)

Would TCs kill GCs for the sake of their false flag?

I think TC's would take serious offense to such an action, and it would more than likely spark an assault. As to killing... well, it depends upon the person taking insult, doesn't it?

If it came to killing, would the killer in your view be guilty of murder under these circumstances?

according to expat in a previous thread he blamed the victim...he called him foolish and his death was caused because of his foolishness...

He purports to defend the TRNC as a legitimate, law-based state yet fails to condemn an extrajudicial killing for an offence which under the TRNC penal code ( http://www.mahkemeler.net/birlestirilmis/f_154.doc ) - article 324 'Wilful damage to property' appears to be applicable to the offence of tearing down a flag - probably carries a maximum penalty of three years' imprisonment or a fine. A law-based state means just that - people are penalised according to the offence they have committed following a fair trial and proceedings are initiated against those guilty of murder, including those responsible for extrajudicial killing. Which is it going to be? Gloating over the murder of a Greek Cypriot youth, or the defence of the TRNC as a legitimate, law-based state? Incidentally, where I wonder does he stand on the practice of dressing up in white robes and stringing up niggers from trees?

Probably that's why Expatkiwi moved to Arkansas from California to try and bring back the KKK.!

Expat is a morally corrupted individual who support an illegal and racist regime in the north who have created a corrupted society where one is not able to differentiate Wrongs from Rights, just because he holds Racists views towards the GCs and that he also thinks he is doing good for the TC cause by supporting all illegal, immoral, Fascistic and Racists rules in the north. I got news for Expat, he is not. All he is doing is supporting perpetual continuation of the misery of decent TCs in the north by his continual support of the Racists Fascists. The fact that he is a "pen-pal" with Denktash, who is the biggest Fascist Racists of them all, is all you need to know about who Expat is. He has no problem lying and creating false information as facts and even delete Racists information from others quotes on the forum just so not to make the north look bad. Expat is what is more commonly known as a WHORE to the highest bidder, and in Expat's case, if the bidding comes from the more immoral, the more Racist, the more Fascist, the more Illegal and the more Corrupt, the bigger the WHORE he becomes. He is in fact quite a disgusting person the way how he tries to make justifications to why he is such a WHORE with his antagonising and provocative ways with often with a smile on his face, I'm sure.!

I sometimes wonder if he is just a paid propagandist. If so, I do not think he does a very good job and I believe that I could do better. If Denktash or his cronies are following these threads, I need some money and I announce to them that if they pay me handsomely I will become a propagandist for their cause.

[Malapapa]

And you can offer yor services 24 hours a day, Tim - as you won't be able to sleep at night.

[Kikapu]

And typical of you not to answer the question!

What do you personally think Expat. (since you made the above threat.)

Would TCs kill GCs for the sake of their false flag?

I think TC's would take serious offense to such an action, and it would more than likely spark an assault. As to killing... well, it depends upon the person taking insult, doesn't it?

If it came to killing, would the killer in your view be guilty of murder under these circumstances?

according to expat in a previous thread he blamed the victim...he called him foolish and his death was caused because of his foolishness...

He purports to defend the TRNC as a legitimate, law-based state yet fails to condemn an extrajudicial killing for an offence which under the TRNC penal code ( http://www.mahkemeler.net/birlestirilmis/f_154.doc ) - article 324 'Wilful damage to property' appears to be applicable to the offence of tearing down a flag - probably carries a maximum penalty of three years' imprisonment or a fine. A law-based state means just that - people are penalised according to the offence they have committed following a fair trial and proceedings are initiated against those guilty of murder, including those responsible for extrajudicial killing. Which is it going to be? Gloating over the murder of a Greek Cypriot youth, or the defence of the TRNC as a legitimate, law-based state? Incidentally, where I wonder does he stand on the practice of dressing up in white robes and stringing up niggers from trees?

Probably that's why Expatkiwi moved to Arkansas from California to try and bring back the KKK.!

Expat is a morally corrupted individual who support an illegal and racist regime in the north who have created a corrupted society where one is not able to differentiate Wrongs from Rights, just because he holds Racists views towards the GCs and that he also thinks he is doing good for the TC cause by supporting all illegal, immoral, Fascistic and Racists rules in the north. I got news for Expat, he is not. All he is doing is supporting perpetual continuation of the misery of decent TCs in the north by his continual support of the Racists Fascists. The fact that he is a "pen-pal" with Denktash, who is the biggest Fascist Racists of them all, is all you need to know about who Expat is. He has no problem lying and creating false information as facts and even delete Racists information from others quotes on the forum just so not to make the north look bad. Expat is what is more commonly known as a WHORE to the highest bidder, and in Expat's case, if the bidding comes from the more immoral, the more Racist, the more Fascist, the more Illegal and the more Corrupt, the bigger the WHORE he becomes. He is in fact quite a disgusting person the way how he tries to make justifications to why he is such a WHORE with his antagonising and provocative ways with often with a smile on his face, I'm sure.!

I sometimes wonder if he is just a paid propagandist. If so, I do not think he does a very good job and I believe that I could do better. If Denktash or his cronies are following these threads, I need some money and I announce to them that if they pay me handsomely I will become a propagandist for their cause.

I often accuse all the Propagandist on this forum of being nothing but a 3rd rate drop outs from their propaganda schools who are lousy debaters without substance or have the ability to convince and convert others into their way of thinking. In fact, often they do the opposite.!

[Expatkiwi]

KKK?!! Cross Burnings?!! White Robes?!! Lynchings?!! Folks, you've seen too many old movies. Now you're becoming laughable. You people say that the Turkish view of Cyprus is wrong and I need to come over to see for myself. Well, in the wake of your accusations, I'm going to suggest that y'all come to Arkansas to see for yourselves... Cuts both ways , you now.

By the way, Mr. Drayton, You're the real racist here for using the 'N' word on this forum.

[Tim Drayton]

KKK?!! Cross Burnings?!! White Robes?!! Lynchings?!! Folks, you've seen too many old movies. Now you're becoming laughable. You people say that the Turkish view of Cyprus is wrong and I need to come over to see for myself. Well, in the wake of your accusations, I'm going to suggest that y'all come to Arkansas to see for yourselves... Cuts both ways , you now.

By the way, Mr. Drayton, You're the real racist here for using the 'N' word on this forum.

Likewise, I suggest you come to Cyprus and see it for yourself.