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[denizaksulu]

Those that want justice, should wish justice for all - regardless of ethnicity.

Exactly. Good luck to her and to all Cypriots whose rights have been trampled on. And both the Republic of Turkey and the Republic of Cyprus should abide by the ruling of the ECHR straight away, pay any compensation due, and restore properties to the legitimate owners as required. Agreed viewpoint?

I have agreed with your viewpoint, but NOT with Viewpoint.

So you dont agree with me that this lady should pursue he rights thus exposing the racist and biased GC system whereby they demand TC reside in the south befor ethey have any rights to their property? They cannot claim one thing for GCs and another for TCs, if the deeds in the north are invalid then ther eis not double dipping and TCs should be given their properties today without delay you cannot have it both ways.

My comment was before I read your following posts VP. I agree with the first part of your post above re the lady's rights to her own property. I thought you would pick that up.

[bill cobbett]

At the risk of seeming to be out of step with my Fellow Fighters in the Struggle for National Liberation ....

This "double-dipping" matter is not of any relevance whatsoever unless we ourselves make the mistake of giving it significance. Whatever happens in the Occupied North with the dodgy kochans has no legal weight to the extent that transfers have never ever taken place, in the real legitimate world, but we run the risk of giving this crappy exchange system value just by bringing it up in the same debate on legitimate tissy title land in the Free Areas. So please consider stopping comparing halloumi with chalk.

Please also consider that those who make a connection between the two may be falling into a possible trap set by Tnucland and the Appeasing Partitionists which will come back to bite us.

Excellent post Bill for the firt time we agree on something but the GC hypocritical mindset is nothing new to us on the one hand they say the exchanges are invalid and on the other hand they force people to live south of the border to prove they have not double dipped which they say does exsist, how does that actually work? its a denial of rights and this will be a great case to prove that GCs are wrong and will have to hand back property without the 6 month clause prior to a solution as there are also thousands of TCs like myslef who will follow the same path when the current talks fail. WHy do you think the GCs are scrambling to settle out of court if they felt she didnt stand a chance they would let it go to the ECHR.

OMG! Am feeling faint, agreement with and praise from VP!

Perhaps I might just test this new-found spirit of agreement and get back in to the good books of my Fellow Fighters. I do stand by what posted, the Guardian dept is Racist and has no place in EU. Good luck to any tissies who take it through to the ECHR.

Anyway, at the risk of stating the obvious, this is what I fear may come back to bite us....

Think it is a very, very dangerous situation when this dept of government, this Guardian, has an effective control over the tissy lands in the Free Areas whilst of course, on the other side of the cease-fire line, the Occupation Regime has long since prepared its "property" ground through the dodgy Icedigger Scam, the Points System and through the Property Commission Tripe.

The nightmare that might keep some of us awake at night, is that a Concessionist and Appeasing President of the Republic (!!) might put a signature to a settlement that would include a simple, straightforward mass land swap cos as things stand, with the Tissy Land Bank in the Free Areas intact, kept under the Guardian, kept under RoC government control, kept out of the hands of thousands of rightful tissy owners, things are well .... very dangerous ...

... oh, and have I said, I rarely trust politicians and governments?

(VP, Here's a little gift for you. it's a Xmas CY Donkey with antlers.....)

[Piratis]

If this woman lives in the UK and she does not live or profit from illegally acquired property in the occupied part of Cyprus then she should be given her own property back immediately.

I believe that this part of the Cyprus Problem should be solved in the courts, in the ECHR if needed, so every Cypriot gets his own property back and is allowed to live in it and enjoy it in peace.

Some said that the Cyprus problem is political and not legal. I disagree. I believe that many aspects of the Cyprus problem are legal, and that solving these legal problems will also force a correct political solution that will not come at the expense of the legal, human or democratic rights of any Cypriot citizen.

[Viewpoint]

If this woman lives in the UK and she does not live or profit from illegally acquired property in the occupied part of Cyprus then she should be given her own property back immediately.

I believe that this part of the Cyprus Problem should be solved in the courts, in the ECHR if needed, so every Cypriot gets his own property back and is allowed to live in it and enjoy it in peace.

Some said that the Cyprus problem is political and not legal. I disagree. I believe that many aspects of the Cyprus problem are legal, and that solving these legal problems will also force a correct political solution that will not come at the expense of the legal, human or democratic rights of any Cypriot citizen.

There are many TCs that reside in the UK that have tried to cliam their properties in the GC south only to be turned away saying the bankrupt guardian will not pay out or return property until a solution have been found. Maybe Piratis you can explain to us how living in the south for 6 month proves people have not double dipped, dont the GCs have to work with the TCs to get informaiton from our land regsitry offices, how does this actually work? and dont you think it is discriminative as GC still cliam the island is one whole which they represent and exchanged land is null and void?

[denizaksulu]

If this woman lives in the UK and she does not live or profit from illegally acquired property in the occupied part of Cyprus then she should be given her own property back immediately.

I believe that this part of the Cyprus Problem should be solved in the courts, in the ECHR if needed, so every Cypriot gets his own property back and is allowed to live in it and enjoy it in peace.

Some said that the Cyprus problem is political and not legal. I disagree. I believe that many aspects of the Cyprus problem are legal, and that solving these legal problems will also force a correct political solution that will not come at the expense of the legal, human or democratic rights of any Cypriot citizen.

There are many TCs that reside in the UK that have tried to cliam their properties in the GC south only to be turned away saying the bankrupt guardian will not pay out or return property until a solution have been found. Maybe Piratis you can explain to us how living in the south for 6 month proves people have not double dipped, dont the GCs have to work with the TCs to get informaiton from our land regsitry offices, how does this actually work? and dont you think it is discriminative as GC still cliam the island is one whole which they represent and exchanged land is null and void?

The RoC attitude on the property issue of UK residents is strictly controlled. They (the TCs have to prove that they have lived in the UK continually since before the events of 1974. You must show evidence of this (paid NI contributions ,salary slips -continuous). Some have tried and failed because they have 'lived' in Cyprus (even for short periods). Some have been 'double-dippers' as well. The RoC have ways to check the authentic cases as it has been proven in the past that fraudulent cases have appeared.

[Viewpoint]

If this woman lives in the UK and she does not live or profit from illegally acquired property in the occupied part of Cyprus then she should be given her own property back immediately.

I believe that this part of the Cyprus Problem should be solved in the courts, in the ECHR if needed, so every Cypriot gets his own property back and is allowed to live in it and enjoy it in peace.

Some said that the Cyprus problem is political and not legal. I disagree. I believe that many aspects of the Cyprus problem are legal, and that solving these legal problems will also force a correct political solution that will not come at the expense of the legal, human or democratic rights of any Cypriot citizen.

There are many TCs that reside in the UK that have tried to cliam their properties in the GC south only to be turned away saying the bankrupt guardian will not pay out or return property until a solution have been found. Maybe Piratis you can explain to us how living in the south for 6 month proves people have not double dipped, dont the GCs have to work with the TCs to get informaiton from our land regsitry offices, how does this actually work? and dont you think it is discriminative as GC still cliam the island is one whole which they represent and exchanged land is null and void?

The RoC attitude on the property issue of UK residents is strictly controlled. They (the TCs have to prove that they have lived in the UK continually since before the events of 1974. You must show evidence of this (paid NI contributions ,salary slips -continuous). Some have tried and failed because they have 'lived' in Cyprus (even for short periods). Some have been 'double-dippers' as well. The RoC have ways to check the authentic cases as it has been proven in the past that fraudulent cases have appeared.

Do you support the GC stance on property? that TCs have to live in the south for 6 months in order to earn a right to claim their property through Gc courts???

[YFred]

If this woman lives in the UK and she does not live or profit from illegally acquired property in the occupied part of Cyprus then she should be given her own property back immediately.

I believe that this part of the Cyprus Problem should be solved in the courts, in the ECHR if needed, so every Cypriot gets his own property back and is allowed to live in it and enjoy it in peace.

Some said that the Cyprus problem is political and not legal. I disagree. I believe that many aspects of the Cyprus problem are legal, and that solving these legal problems will also force a correct political solution that will not come at the expense of the legal, human or democratic rights of any Cypriot citizen.

There are many TCs that reside in the UK that have tried to cliam their properties in the GC south only to be turned away saying the bankrupt guardian will not pay out or return property until a solution have been found. Maybe Piratis you can explain to us how living in the south for 6 month proves people have not double dipped, dont the GCs have to work with the TCs to get informaiton from our land regsitry offices, how does this actually work? and dont you think it is discriminative as GC still cliam the island is one whole which they represent and exchanged land is null and void?

The RoC attitude on the property issue of UK residents is strictly controlled. They (the TCs have to prove that they have lived in the UK continually since before the events of 1974. You must show evidence of this (paid NI contributions ,salary slips -continuous). Some have tried and failed because they have 'lived' in Cyprus (even for short periods). Some have been 'double-dippers' as well. The RoC have ways to check the authentic cases as it has been proven in the past that fraudulent cases have appeared.

Do you support the GC stance on property? that TCs have to live in the south for 6 months in order to earn a right to claim their property through Gc courts???

Anybody who supports that is out of their minds. I wonder if Kicks baby supports it. Does it fall under his True democracy bit?

[denizaksulu]

If this woman lives in the UK and she does not live or profit from illegally acquired property in the occupied part of Cyprus then she should be given her own property back immediately.

I believe that this part of the Cyprus Problem should be solved in the courts, in the ECHR if needed, so every Cypriot gets his own property back and is allowed to live in it and enjoy it in peace.

Some said that the Cyprus problem is political and not legal. I disagree. I believe that many aspects of the Cyprus problem are legal, and that solving these legal problems will also force a correct political solution that will not come at the expense of the legal, human or democratic rights of any Cypriot citizen.

There are many TCs that reside in the UK that have tried to cliam their properties in the GC south only to be turned away saying the bankrupt guardian will not pay out or return property until a solution have been found. Maybe Piratis you can explain to us how living in the south for 6 month proves people have not double dipped, dont the GCs have to work with the TCs to get informaiton from our land regsitry offices, how does this actually work? and dont you think it is discriminative as GC still cliam the island is one whole which they represent and exchanged land is null and void?

The RoC attitude on the property issue of UK residents is strictly controlled. They (the TCs have to prove that they have lived in the UK continually since before the events of 1974. You must show evidence of this (paid NI contributions ,salary slips -continuous). Some have tried and failed because they have 'lived' in Cyprus (even for short periods). Some have been 'double-dippers' as well. The RoC have ways to check the authentic cases as it has been proven in the past that fraudulent cases have appeared.

Do you support the GC stance on property? that TCs have to live in the south for 6 months in order to earn a right to claim their property through Gc courts???

I see no other choice under the circumstances. Allowing all TCs (those already resident in the North) the right to claim their properties in the south
would be a nightmare for the Legal RoC Land Registry. How do you suppose they would be able to cope with the 'double dipping'.

Defintely not; I do not support that they live in the RoC for 6 months. Perhaps it is their way of minimising 'double dipping', but then that does not make sense either. I think that rule is there to dam up the floodgates of TC claimants. The Land Registry cant cope as it is. You are aware of the backlog. BTW, I have also discovered my property rights on land I never knew existed (RoC Land Registry). The kochans awere still under the name of my greatgrandmother. Now they have reverted to me.

[YFred]

If this woman lives in the UK and she does not live or profit from illegally acquired property in the occupied part of Cyprus then she should be given her own property back immediately.

I believe that this part of the Cyprus Problem should be solved in the courts, in the ECHR if needed, so every Cypriot gets his own property back and is allowed to live in it and enjoy it in peace.

Some said that the Cyprus problem is political and not legal. I disagree. I believe that many aspects of the Cyprus problem are legal, and that solving these legal problems will also force a correct political solution that will not come at the expense of the legal, human or democratic rights of any Cypriot citizen.

There are many TCs that reside in the UK that have tried to cliam their properties in the GC south only to be turned away saying the bankrupt guardian will not pay out or return property until a solution have been found. Maybe Piratis you can explain to us how living in the south for 6 month proves people have not double dipped, dont the GCs have to work with the TCs to get informaiton from our land regsitry offices, how does this actually work? and dont you think it is discriminative as GC still cliam the island is one whole which they represent and exchanged land is null and void?

The RoC attitude on the property issue of UK residents is strictly controlled. They (the TCs have to prove that they have lived in the UK continually since before the events of 1974. You must show evidence of this (paid NI contributions ,salary slips -continuous). Some have tried and failed because they have 'lived' in Cyprus (even for short periods). Some have been 'double-dippers' as well. The RoC have ways to check the authentic cases as it has been proven in the past that fraudulent cases have appeared.

Do you support the GC stance on property? that TCs have to live in the south for 6 months in order to earn a right to claim their property through Gc courts???

I see no other choice under the circumstances. Allowing all TCs (those already resident in the North) the right to claim their properties in the south
would be a nightmare for the Legal RoC Land Registry. How do you suppose they would be able to cope with the 'double dipping'.

Defintely not; I do not support that they live in the RoC for 6 months. Perhaps it is their way of minimising 'double dipping', but then that does not make sense either. I think that rule is there to dam up the floodgates of TC claimants. The Land Registry cant cope as it is. You are aware of the backlog. BTW, I have also discovered my property rights on land I never knew existed (RoC Land Registry). The kochans awere still under the name of my greatgrandmother. Now they have reverted to me.

That says we assume you are guilty and this is what you have to do if you want to prove your innocence. First of all that is no proof of innocence and secondly it goes against any justice system. The GCs can't have it both ways.
Its plain and simple fruking wrong. Please excuse my french.

[denizaksulu]

If this woman lives in the UK and she does not live or profit from illegally acquired property in the occupied part of Cyprus then she should be given her own property back immediately.

I believe that this part of the Cyprus Problem should be solved in the courts, in the ECHR if needed, so every Cypriot gets his own property back and is allowed to live in it and enjoy it in peace.

Some said that the Cyprus problem is political and not legal. I disagree. I believe that many aspects of the Cyprus problem are legal, and that solving these legal problems will also force a correct political solution that will not come at the expense of the legal, human or democratic rights of any Cypriot citizen.

There are many TCs that reside in the UK that have tried to cliam their properties in the GC south only to be turned away saying the bankrupt guardian will not pay out or return property until a solution have been found. Maybe Piratis you can explain to us how living in the south for 6 month proves people have not double dipped, dont the GCs have to work with the TCs to get informaiton from our land regsitry offices, how does this actually work? and dont you think it is discriminative as GC still cliam the island is one whole which they represent and exchanged land is null and void?

The RoC attitude on the property issue of UK residents is strictly controlled. They (the TCs have to prove that they have lived in the UK continually since before the events of 1974. You must show evidence of this (paid NI contributions ,salary slips -continuous). Some have tried and failed because they have 'lived' in Cyprus (even for short periods). Some have been 'double-dippers' as well. The RoC have ways to check the authentic cases as it has been proven in the past that fraudulent cases have appeared.

Do you support the GC stance on property? that TCs have to live in the south for 6 months in order to earn a right to claim their property through Gc courts???

I see no other choice under the circumstances. Allowing all TCs (those already resident in the North) the right to claim their properties in the south
would be a nightmare for the Legal RoC Land Registry. How do you suppose they would be able to cope with the 'double dipping'.

Defintely not; I do not support that they live in the RoC for 6 months. Perhaps it is their way of minimising 'double dipping', but then that does not make sense either. I think that rule is there to dam up the floodgates of TC claimants. The Land Registry cant cope as it is. You are aware of the backlog. BTW, I have also discovered my property rights on land I never knew existed (RoC Land Registry). The kochans awere still under the name of my greatgrandmother. Now they have reverted to me.

That says we assume you are guilty and this is what you have to do if you want to prove your innocence. First of all that is no proof of innocence and secondly it goes against any justice system. The GCs can't have it both ways.
Its plain and simple fruking wrong. Please excuse my french.

Yfred, when I do on-line banking, I have to prove who I am and what I am before any transaction can take place.

The RoC have to prevent fraud, as they will become unstuck.