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[Viewpoint]

The coup and the invasion, the crime and the betrayal, amputated the body of Cyprus and plunged Greek Cypriot Hellenism into pain, mourning and agony,''

Enslaved towns and villages, an occupation army and swarms of settlers, refugees, missing and the enclaved keep these wounds open and prolong the terrible drama of our martyred people.''

Who said the above and is it from 1974 or 2005??

[cannedmoose]

I'm guessing it's a Papadopoulos statement from 2005.

[RAFAELLA]

The coup and the invasion, the crime and the betrayal, amputated the body of Cyprus and plunged Greek Cypriot Hellenism into pain, mourning and agony,''

Enslaved towns and villages, an occupation army and swarms of settlers, refugees, missing and the enclaved keep these wounds open and prolong the terrible drama of our martyred people.''

Who said the above and is it from 1974 or 2005??

Hey ViewP, maybe you know the answer?
Where did you copy that from?

[Viewpoint]

are these the rantings of a person with vision and a genuine desire for unification? more like a lunatic whos hell bent on getting revenge on a community which s/he can neither stomache or tollerate...

I leave it to your evaluation..

[Piratis]

are these the rintings of a person with vision and a genuine desire for unification?

Most definetly.

What they are not, are words of a person ready to accept the partition that you are trying to force on us.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis are the above statements yours??? for they seem to come in line with your way of thinking as you always state that all we have to do is wait for balance of power to change so you may get your revenge on us.
As for partition being forced on you, all we did was vote yes to the Comprehensive Annan solution plan which was negotiated by both sides and placed before us to decide.

But as we all know you guys voted NO and now all you have to is wait for the balance of power to shift in your favour for a bloody revenge or continue with the status quo which is cementing partition every day.

[MicAtCyp]

all we did was vote yes to the Comprehensive Annan solution plan which was negotiated by both sides and placed before us to decide.

VP can you tell me when exactly was the plan negotiated like you said? On which point did we agree and which point Mr Koffi Anan arbitrated as he liked. Which points were not even in the Anan Plan and suddenly dropped from the sky finding a convenient place in it?

As for the speach of Papadopoulos can you provide a link?
If indeed those words are his, then which of what he said is not true? Which of what he said you think is not the true feelings of each and every GC?

[Alexandros Lordos]

are these the rantings of a person with vision and a genuine desire for unification? more like a lunatic whos hell bent on getting revenge on a community which s/he can neither stomache or tollerate...

I leave it to your evaluation..

Viewpoint, since you are asking for our evaluation, I honestly cannot see something bigoted or hate-promoting in the speech you quoted above. It is the words of a leader of the GC community, speaking to GCs about the pain they have suffered, but not using this expression of suffering as an excuse to descend to hatred. At no point are TCs mentioned as "the enemy", while the coup is seen as being just as much a source of the current woes, as the invasion itself.

If you had quoted the rest of the speech, you would have come accross points which suggest that we should be ready to say the "Great Yes" to a plan that truly re-unifies the island within the context of a Bizonal Bicommunal Federation, just as we should be ready to say another "Great No" to a future plan which would partition rather than re-unite the island.

In other words, there is no sense in the speech that the conflicts of the past should now become conflicts of the present as well - on the contrary, the speech suggests that it is time to put an end to conflict in Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp

VP can you tell me when exactly was the plan negotiated like you said? On which point did we agree and which point Mr Koffi Anan arbitrated as he liked. Which points were not even in the Anan Plan and suddenly dropped from the sky finding a convenient place in it?

As a person who has personal knowledge of certain parts of the Annan plan and how it evolved and what was in the final text was 99% what was agreed with GC counterparts, so please dont delude anyone with the impression that GCs had absoulutely no input into the Annan plan, for god sake the foundation of every section negotiated was performed upon GC suggestions and presentations. Please dont be so naive to think that its always the other side or someone elses is to blame, what happened and developed was due to a lack of goodfaith/sincere negotiation by Papadop and his GC administration, thinking in NY they could yet again hide behind Denktas walking out and then being cornered into agreeing that Annan fill in the blanks, then arriving at Brugenstock with a mountain of demands which in the time span available could not be applied this is a good ploy to support GC administrations current arguments about being restricted by the time frames. I personally believe that if you do not apply time frames on the Cyprus issue we will be still be trying to negotiate well into the unforeseeable future 100 years or more..

Yes you are all right these are Papadops words,obviously the mans warped views are well known, but I asked a specific question do you feel these words support the mindset of wanting a solution, I think they are threatical and emotion generating words which could have easily been heard in the 1970s surely a progressive leadership with a vision towards unification would have leaft all this nationalistic bullshit behind and moved forward to present a sense of reconciliation and union with the north, whats being stated by Papadop only goes towards highlighting how far apart we in agreeing anything with a people that are still hell bent on remembering the past and generating bad feeling towards "an occupation army and swarms of settlers" goodluck with trying to build trust between our communites but this is not the way to go about it.

Alex

At no point are TCs mentioned as "the enemy", while the coup is seen as being just as much a source of the current woes, as the invasion itself.

I am very disappointed at your response, does he have to mention names when hes spouting so much nationaliats crap and playing the emotional strings of the GCs it is clear to all and sundry that he is referring to Turks and TCs, he actually states "an occupation army and swarms of settlers". These types of speaches just drum up the past to ensure the future is not unification and has as I have stated before reinforces my belief that recongnized partition for TCs is the only realistic opiton.

Alex please be logical and realistic Papadop will only cry to promote a YES if the plan meets 101% of demands, the mere fact he would be involved in negotiating any agreement sets the TCs vote 10% backwards, for me hes not to be taken seriously and I dont see any positive developments until hes no longer the GC leader or GC wake up to the fact that hes not pro solution but pro staying in power.

[MicAtCyp]

As a person who has personal knowledge of certain parts of the Annan plan and how it evolved and what was in the final text was 99% what was agreed with GC counterparts, so please dont delude anyone with the impression that GCs had absoulutely no input into the Annan plan

VP, we know you for too long in this forum to be sure, you know almost nothing of the Anan Plan, let alone your proclamation that you were personally invlolved during its evolution. So I am not going to waste my time replying to you.I asked you specific questions and you came back with a lie to support your thesis that 99% of the Anan Plan was already agreed because horray "you were among the experts and you know so much about it...." !!!!! Cut the crap off VP, don't underestimate our intelligence.

Oh, and one last advice: Don't fantasize.