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[Malapapa]

Rafaella;

In no way am I supportive of the northern administration, but we talk of good will here. In exchange for the liberation of Varosha the RoC could assist direct flights. This is one thing they can talk about if they mean 'good will' when mentioned. It seems the only bargaining power the TCs have at the mo - apart from the withdrawal of the TA.

Yes, that little old chestnut.

You mean 'hot' chestnut which burns the hand that holds it and the mouth that will eat it. Negotiations are negotiations which ever way you look at it. They have discussed these before but both sides seem to be belligerent.

In the end it will have to be give and take from both sides. Ideally there should be no winners. Can they manage that?

Not while Turkey's army calls the shots in the north, I'm afraid.

There you go. Its got to begin somewhere....one step at a time. The TA will not up sticks and go just like that.

And the TA will decide to up sticks and go after the regime it props up in the north has been legitimised, through allowing direct trade? Sorry, I simply don't follow the logic. Nor would any other country faced with the same problem.

[denizaksulu]

Rafaella;

In no way am I supportive of the northern administration, but we talk of good will here. In exchange for the liberation of Varosha the RoC could assist direct flights. This is one thing they can talk about if they mean 'good will' when mentioned. It seems the only bargaining power the TCs have at the mo - apart from the withdrawal of the TA.

Yes, that little old chestnut.

You mean 'hot' chestnut which burns the hand that holds it and the mouth that will eat it. Negotiations are negotiations which ever way you look at it. They have discussed these before but both sides seem to be belligerent.

In the end it will have to be give and take from both sides. Ideally there should be no winners. Can they manage that?

Not while Turkey's army calls the shots in the north, I'm afraid.

There you go. Its got to begin somewhere....one step at a time. The TA will not up sticks and go just like that.

And the TA will decide to up sticks and go after the regime it props up in the north has been legitimised, through allowing direct trade? Sorry, I simply don't follow the logic. Nor would any other country faced with the same problem.

Nowhere did I mention the legitimisation of the north. They leave (hopefully) after a settlement has been reached. I'd appreciate if you did not put words into my mouth. Do you intend on giving me nightmares?

[Malapapa]

So how do you propose direct trade with an illegitimate entity?

[denizaksulu]

So how do you propose direct trade with an illegitimate entity?

I'll leave the details to competent negotiators; are there any around?

As good will gestures, the RoC could lift/relax any restrictions temporarily - settlement pending.

Whenever theres a will...................

[Malapapa]

So how do you propose direct trade with an illegitimate entity?

I'll leave the details to competent negotiators; are there any around?

They'd have to be more than competent - they'd need to be miracle workers to square that particular circle.

As good will gestures, the RoC could lift/relax any restrictions temporarily - settlement pending.

Whenever theres a will...................

I really can't see it, I'm afraid. How's this for a good will gesture?

http://www.rentcyprusvillas.com/news_de ... ?newsID=49

Gestures that encourage unity, rather than cement division.

[denizaksulu]

So how do you propose direct trade with an illegitimate entity?

I'll leave the details to competent negotiators; are there any around?

They'd have to be more than competent - they'd need to be miracle workers to square that particular circle.

As good will gestures, the RoC could lift/relax any restrictions temporarily - settlement pending.

Whenever theres a will...................

I really can't see it, I'm afraid. How's this for a good will gesture?

http://www.rentcyprusvillas.com/news_de ... ?newsID=49

Gestures that encourage unity, rather than cement division.

That did come out of the blue, but all are welcome. Theres more to it than the above. But let us not forget that it would not be politik for K Stelios to be seen as being racist and not allowing TC companies to attend/take place. It would not go well with EU etc. Nevertheless a positive move.

Another pat on the back for Mr Stelios.

[Malapapa]

I really can't see it, I'm afraid. How's this for a good will gesture?

http://www.rentcyprusvillas.com/news_de ... ?newsID=49

Gestures that encourage unity, rather than cement division.

That did come out of the blue, but all are welcome. Theres more to it than the above. But let us not forget that it would not be politik for K Stelios to be seen as being racist and not allowing TC companies to attend/take place. It would not go well with EU etc.

Not wanting to be seen to be racist? The whole point of the fund is to encourage economic cooperation. The initiative wouldn't exist otherwise. It's a high profile goodwill gesture designed to ease TCs feelings of isolation.

So have any troops from Turkey left? One even? As a goodwill gesture in return? No, because Turkey just banks goodwill gestures; and laughs at the sorry Cypriots, while building statues of Ataturk everywhere in the north, in return.

[RAFAELLA]

Cyprus MPs - Famagusta question

FAMAGUSTA GAZETTE 07.DEC.09
Four MEPs, members of the European Parliament`s Committee on Petitions, have requested a briefing by the European Commission and the EU Council on measures taken regarding the problem of Famagusta, the ``ghost town`` which is within the areas under Turkish occupation in Cyprus for the past 35 years.

The MEPs Lidia Joanna Geringer de Oedenberg of the Group of the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats, Carlos Iturgaiz of the Group of the European People`s Party (Christian Democrats), Willy Meyer of the Confederal Group of the European United Left - Nordic Green Left, and Pascale Gruny of the Group of the European People`s Party (Christian Democrats), note that the Turkish army has been restricting the operation of the UN post in Varosha, while visitors can only enter with the permission of the Turkish occupation authorities.

In their press release, the MEPs point out the presence of the Turkish army and the fact that the area has been totally abandoned. The MEPs say that the military occupation is unacceptable and that this has also been pointed out by UN Security Council resolutions.

The members of the Committee request a reassessment of the situation and also call on the European Committee and the upcoming Spanish EU presidency to take the necessary measures to solve the humanitarian issue existing within the EU. In conclusion, they point out that it is not possible to tolerate a ghost town, under occupation, within the EU. - (KYPE)
http://www.famagusta-gazette.com[/u]