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[B25]

His misinterpretation of consociational democracy and demilitarization process...

Ozgurgun is a young politician completeley under influence of old guns of cold war era... a basket case.

But he's panicking because he knows Turkey will lose right to intervene, correct?

Supposedly and eventually at the end of demilitarization process of Cyprus ...

It is not something new... it was a part of final Annan Plan that Özgurgün and his political party were against it.

Was it? That Turkey would lose it's right to intervene - (supposedly and eventually)?

Yes, in final Annan Plan there was a relevant part that citing depending on the circumstances and the opinions of concerned parties, the military issues would periodically be discussed, planned and decided what to do in the following years.

If i'm not mistaken the intervention right of guarantors would have been abolished when Turkey became an EU member.

Just more blackmail techniques ,huh? And what would happen if she didn't make the club??

seems to me Turkey is expecting the EU to bend over to accept them and not get in by their own merits.

The Ankara Plan is dead and buried and had it not been for our saviour Papadopoulos we would be back at war with the 60's all over again.

Quite frankly, any agreement Turkey signs is only good for wiping ones arse, as they would never honour it anyway.

[insan]

I don't think this is what Ozgurgun is panicking about now though; that Turkey may lose its intervention rights... one day... depending on the circumstances... and the opinions of concerned parties... after discussion... if it became an EU member.

I think he's panicking because Turkey may lose its intervention rights straight away.

Otherwise is impossible... and i haven't heard Turkish officials telling the otherwise of what i said in my above post...

If they had such an intention to give up their intevention rights they would have articulated it...

Why Turkey might lose her intervention right? He thinks that Turkey will never be allowed to become a member of EU... he further believes that GCs wouldn't respect the signed agreements and unilaterally change them in favour of themselves as how they had done in 60s...

[insan]

“I’m worried because [the rights] were basis by which Turkey protects Turkish Cypriots,” Özgürgün said. “It is very critical point. If we let the new situation get worse than it was in 1960, then why were thousands of our people killed by the Greeks?”

The currently discussed resolution does not grant the leader of the Turkish Cypriot community the right to veto any law in contrary to the Cyprus Republic system agreed upon in 1960, Özgürgün said.

Turks on the island are thus being forced to accept a settlement far below Annan parameters, according to Özgürgün. “That’s why the Greeks refused the Annan Plan. They refused any Turkish influence on political decisions.”

Did u notice how he nonsensically jumps one issue to another.

[Oracle]

I think he's panicking because Turkey may lose its intervention rights straight away.

I thought some clever forumer (probably GR!) had shown how legally they HAD lost their guarantee rights because of breaching them in acting unilaterally, without consent from the other two, and by destroying (in their minds) the sovereignty of the RoC through illegal occupation (not to mention colonisation with their own people ... damned cheek ). Oh, and acting in the interests of only one "community" in a racist and segregationist way, instead of for the good of Cypriots ...

There's probably more .... They haven't a legal leg to stand on and the EU should waste no more time in kicking them out!

[Expatkiwi]

I thought some clever forumer (probably GR!) had shown how legally they HAD lost their guarantee rights because of breaching them in acting unilaterally, without consent from the other two, and by destroying (in their minds) the sovereignty of the RoC through illegal occupation (not to mention colonisation with their own people ... damned cheek ). Oh, and acting in the interests of only one "community" in a racist and segregationist way, instead of for the good of Cypriots ...

There's probably more .... They haven't a legal leg to stand on and the EU should waste no more time in kicking them out!

The fact that EU hasn't done so is significant, Oracle.

[Paphitis]

I don't think this is what Ozgurgun is panicking about now though; that Turkey may lose its intervention rights... one day... depending on the circumstances... and the opinions of concerned parties... after discussion... if it became an EU member.

I think he's panicking because Turkey may lose its intervention rights straight away.

Turkey would have lost its intervention rights way back in 1978, if we had played our cards rights.

The occupation would have ended as well.

[Oracle]

I thought some clever forumer (probably GR!) had shown how legally they HAD lost their guarantee rights because of breaching them in acting unilaterally, without consent from the other two, and by destroying (in their minds) the sovereignty of the RoC through illegal occupation (not to mention colonisation with their own people ... damned cheek ). Oh, and acting in the interests of only one "community" in a racist and segregationist way, instead of for the good of Cypriots ...

There's probably more .... They haven't a legal leg to stand on and the EU should waste no more time in kicking them out!

The fact that EU hasn't done so is significant, Oracle.

It's only significant in that the EU doesn't react like the USA and are humanely giving Turkey the options to pull out peacefully (for now). The EU has consistently called for the withdrawal of Turkish troops and normalisation of the situation in Cyprus. So when the EU are ready and decide to attack, Turkey cannot plead ignorance ....

[miltiades]

Thanks for confirming Türkiye had the right to intervene south cypriot malakapa.

Foreigner , a " contract " had been entered into in 1959 , the Zurich agreements.
The 3 guarantor powers had been given the power of intervention either jointly , all 3 or independently .
All 3 guarantors also signed the " contract" all 3 had the responsibility to protect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Cyprus and all 3 would protect the independence of the RoC .
TURKEY INVADED IN 1974 , DID NOT INTERVENE.
TURKEY RENEGED ON HER LEGAL COMMITMENT TO AN INDEPENDENT CYPRUS.SHE BROKE THE "CONTRACT" . SHE CAN NOT ENVOKE ONLY WHAT SUITS HER !
TURKEY STILL OCCUPIES A PART OF CYPRUS.
The agreement is dead and buried , put to rest by a third world nation , a nation that occupies the northern part of Cyprus , a nation that is intend on annihilating the indigenous to Cyprus Turkish Cypriots and replace them with Anatolian peasants , a bit like you really.
The T/Cs have woken up and are resisting and the movement is growing by day , they want the Turkish Army out , they want a united Cyprus and most if not all are sick to death with the corruption that takes place on a daily basis. The nonsense that the so called " trnc" is a nation is absurd.
Recognized by none , no currency , no passports , no trade , manufacturing that is not existent , supported by criminals and British yobs enticed by cheap back of a lorry properties.
Is this what the T/Cs want. No mate they don't. Remember , I know as much , if not more , about the T/Cs than you do foreigner.

[YFred]

I think he's panicking because Turkey may lose its intervention rights straight away.

I thought some clever forumer (probably GR!) had shown how legally they HAD lost their guarantee rights because of breaching them in acting unilaterally, without consent from the other two, and by destroying (in their minds) the sovereignty of the RoC through illegal occupation (not to mention colonisation with their own people ... damned cheek ). Oh, and acting in the interests of only one "community" in a racist and segregationist way, instead of for the good of Cypriots ...

There's probably more .... They haven't a legal leg to stand on and the EU should waste no more time in kicking them out!

So what's the problem? Why haven't they? Isn't it obvious? If they had the power and the law on their side, they would have done. If they had only one of those they would have made an attempt, but as not even an attempt has been made as yet, then one can only conclude that they have neither and you and the rest of your cronies including the dipstick are out of your depths.

[runaway]

The T/Cs have woken up and are resisting and the movement is growing by day , they want the Turkish Army out , they want a united Cyprus and most if not all are sick to death with the corruption that takes place on a daily basis. The nonsense that the so called " trnc" is a nation is absurd.

You are terribly mistaken old south cypriot.I've got at least 5 TC friends (not from Türkiye), they are all post-74 born and none of them (yes NONE) trust you guys and they don't think there will ever be unification. Oh and for your info they like Türkiye Turks more than south cypriots. Why would they like south cypriots anyway? They are simply FOREIGNERSSSS