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Re: Why did Turkey ethnically cleanse towns where no Turks l

Postby Oracle » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:48 pm

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SKI-preo wrote:In villages and towns in the Kyrenia District Turkey ethnically cleansed the entire population. Turkish Cypriots never lived in some of these towns and yet Turkey opted to ethnically cleanse these towns claiming that by doing this the Turkish Cypriots would be protected. Which Turkish Cypriots were being protected if there were no Turkish Cypriots there ever? My view is that the towns are in a more strategic location than areas Turkish Cypriot lived and it would be easy to simply drop napalm bombs in all Greek villages and towns as only they would be blown up burned alive. The Turkish Cypriots were in other villages drinking coffee and lemonade.


This may come as a shock to you, Ski-pro, but I don't support ethnic cleansing,


Oh yes, you do!


So do you, Oracle. Otherwise you wouldn't be spouting all that Turkish Hate on this forum.


Turkey has no place in Cyprus. Where does "ethnic cleansing" come into reminding Turkey they are unwanted, illegal invaders? :?

If you don't like the truth I say about Turkey, and instead interpret it as mere "hate", then it is a reflection of your love for Turkey and blind refusal to see it for what it is.

All you are doing is confirming your lack of comprehension to your own duplicitous standards.
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Re: Why did Turkey ethnically cleanse towns where no Turks l

Postby Expatkiwi » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:26 pm

Oracle wrote:
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SKI-preo wrote:In villages and towns in the Kyrenia District Turkey ethnically cleansed the entire population. Turkish Cypriots never lived in some of these towns and yet Turkey opted to ethnically cleanse these towns claiming that by doing this the Turkish Cypriots would be protected. Which Turkish Cypriots were being protected if there were no Turkish Cypriots there ever? My view is that the towns are in a more strategic location than areas Turkish Cypriot lived and it would be easy to simply drop napalm bombs in all Greek villages and towns as only they would be blown up burned alive. The Turkish Cypriots were in other villages drinking coffee and lemonade.


This may come as a shock to you, Ski-pro, but I don't support ethnic cleansing,


Oh yes, you do!


So do you, Oracle. Otherwise you wouldn't be spouting all that Turkish Hate on this forum.


Turkey has no place in Cyprus. Where does "ethnic cleansing" come into reminding Turkey they are unwanted, illegal invaders? :?

If you don't like the truth I say about Turkey, and instead interpret it as mere "hate", then it is a reflection of your love for Turkey and blind refusal to see it for what it is.

All you are doing is confirming your lack of comprehension to your own duplicitous standards.


I'm confirming that your side is not above pulling that stuff in the interests of 'national security'...
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Re: Why did Turkey ethnically cleanse towns where no Turks l

Postby Oracle » Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:04 pm

Expatkiwi wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:
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Expatkiwi wrote:
SKI-preo wrote:In villages and towns in the Kyrenia District Turkey ethnically cleansed the entire population. Turkish Cypriots never lived in some of these towns and yet Turkey opted to ethnically cleanse these towns claiming that by doing this the Turkish Cypriots would be protected. Which Turkish Cypriots were being protected if there were no Turkish Cypriots there ever? My view is that the towns are in a more strategic location than areas Turkish Cypriot lived and it would be easy to simply drop napalm bombs in all Greek villages and towns as only they would be blown up burned alive. The Turkish Cypriots were in other villages drinking coffee and lemonade.


This may come as a shock to you, Ski-pro, but I don't support ethnic cleansing,


Oh yes, you do!


So do you, Oracle. Otherwise you wouldn't be spouting all that Turkish Hate on this forum.


Turkey has no place in Cyprus. Where does "ethnic cleansing" come into reminding Turkey they are unwanted, illegal invaders? :?

If you don't like the truth I say about Turkey, and instead interpret it as mere "hate", then it is a reflection of your love for Turkey and blind refusal to see it for what it is.

All you are doing is confirming your lack of comprehension to your own duplicitous standards.


I'm confirming that your side is not above pulling that stuff in the interests of 'national security'...


Is this what your "TC" friend told you? Because it's a pretty poor "show" compared to the 200,000 GCs waiting to return to their homes, right now! And the several thousand GCs racially-killed by Turkish troops to make sure they can never go back ...
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Postby Expatkiwi » Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:00 am

Notably quiet about the Turkish Cypriots killed by Greek Cypriot militias though, Oracle. Or am I supposed to determine that as long as Greeks kill Turks, that would be okay?
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:23 am

Expatkiwi wrote:Notably quiet about the Turkish Cypriots killed by Greek Cypriot militias though, Oracle. Or am I supposed to determine that as long as Greeks kill Turks, that would be okay?


You really need to go back and do some research, to be able to debate here. Otherwise you will just continue to appear foolish and silly.

You need to ask yourself who it was that started the intercommunal fighting to begin with, why Britain successfully implemented divide and rule for its own colonial interests in the 50s, and why so many more GCs were killed (almost 10,000) as compared to some 800 TC that were killed and yet, in your mind this constitutes "genocide" and not the other way around.

If you answer that the TCs reacted against ENOSIS and wanted their own self determination, then you should realise that ENOSIS has been off the agenda for some 40 years and is a dead donkey, whilst Turkey's annexation of Cypriot territory has become a reality, and the TCs still won't get self determination unless the island is reunified and not segregated into communities. Then the TCs will have their self determination as Cypriots.
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Re: Why did Turkey ethnically cleanse towns where no Turks l

Postby DT. » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:28 am

insan wrote:
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SKI-preo wrote:In villages and towns in the Kyrenia District Turkey ethnically cleansed the entire population. Turkish Cypriots never lived in some of these towns and yet Turkey opted to ethnically cleanse these towns claiming that by doing this the Turkish Cypriots would be protected. Which Turkish Cypriots were being protected if there were no Turkish Cypriots there ever? My view is that the towns are in a more strategic location than areas Turkish Cypriot lived and it would be easy to simply drop napalm bombs in all Greek villages and towns as only they would be blown up burned alive. The Turkish Cypriots were in other villages drinking coffee and lemonade.


Turkish troops faced an unexpected counter attack from 40.000 armed GCs. According to CIA report 1973-1976, even many kids over 12 were armed to fight against Turkish troops.

The most important reason of why Turkish troops "ethnically cleansed" the Northern Cyprus is the uncertainity of what GC-Greek side would do.

Sampson resigned but irregulars of EOKA-B were still active and threatening with guerilla warfare.

Then Foreign Minister of Turkey asked the then Foreign Minister of Greece the withdrawal of regular and irregular troops of Greeks and GCs out of the villages TCs live but he didn't accept... he further stated that he couldn't control irregulars of EOKA-B... The EOKA-B that noone could dare to touch for 3 long years following the events of 1974.

Turkey and TC leadership had many question marks and doubts in minds regarding what the intentions of Greek side could be.

Moreover, EOKA-B was still also threatening Makarios not to return Cyprus or if he would return; he had to accept the pre-conditions of EOKA-B, otherwise they were threatening to start a civil war in GC community.

Under such uncertain, doubtful and hostile circimstances that also fed by all the previous troubles TCs/Turks experienced with Greeks and GCs; there was nothing convincing the TCs and Turks that a unitary state with a mixed population had any future without blood shed and inter communal strife.

U can read all the details day by day, minute by minute from the below link:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/96610.pdf


where's this CIA report Insan?


Is the link invisible?


Can't find it anywhere on that link. Sorry to be a pain but could you point it out on that link you posted? Are they your words or the documents words?
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Postby Oracle » Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:09 am

Expatkiwi wrote:Notably quiet about the Turkish Cypriots killed by Greek Cypriot militias though, Oracle. Or am I supposed to determine that as long as Greeks kill Turks, that would be okay?


Yes continue to keep the memory alive of a few hundred TC deaths, half a century ago, and ignore what is happening now and also continue to ignore, conveniently, the hundreds of GC deaths at the hands of the belligerent TCs who fought against us and Democracy in the 60's and who also fought against us in our weakest times whilst fighting for freedom from the Brits ... and if you really want to go back further and not be accused of being selective (which you are) then the GCs lost thousands upon thousands of people at the hands of Ottoman-Turks over 300 hundred years

But of course if you really cared about fairness and reality, then the present situation would be enough to prove the victims have ALWAYS been the GCs just as they are right now .... yet somehow the Turks will turn things around to cover their sorry bad asses. They should never have started this series of repetitive invasions into our country, just to moan when we defend our survival.

It's up to you whether you wish to take the Turkish path of evil or join the rest of the World's path to seeking justice and truth.
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Re: Why did Turkey ethnically cleanse towns where no Turks l

Postby insan » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:13 pm

DT. wrote:
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DT. wrote:
insan wrote:
SKI-preo wrote:In villages and towns in the Kyrenia District Turkey ethnically cleansed the entire population. Turkish Cypriots never lived in some of these towns and yet Turkey opted to ethnically cleanse these towns claiming that by doing this the Turkish Cypriots would be protected. Which Turkish Cypriots were being protected if there were no Turkish Cypriots there ever? My view is that the towns are in a more strategic location than areas Turkish Cypriot lived and it would be easy to simply drop napalm bombs in all Greek villages and towns as only they would be blown up burned alive. The Turkish Cypriots were in other villages drinking coffee and lemonade.


Turkish troops faced an unexpected counter attack from 40.000 armed GCs. According to CIA report 1973-1976, even many kids over 12 were armed to fight against Turkish troops.

The most important reason of why Turkish troops "ethnically cleansed" the Northern Cyprus is the uncertainity of what GC-Greek side would do.

Sampson resigned but irregulars of EOKA-B were still active and threatening with guerilla warfare.

Then Foreign Minister of Turkey asked the then Foreign Minister of Greece the withdrawal of regular and irregular troops of Greeks and GCs out of the villages TCs live but he didn't accept... he further stated that he couldn't control irregulars of EOKA-B... The EOKA-B that noone could dare to touch for 3 long years following the events of 1974.

Turkey and TC leadership had many question marks and doubts in minds regarding what the intentions of Greek side could be.

Moreover, EOKA-B was still also threatening Makarios not to return Cyprus or if he would return; he had to accept the pre-conditions of EOKA-B, otherwise they were threatening to start a civil war in GC community.

Under such uncertain, doubtful and hostile circimstances that also fed by all the previous troubles TCs/Turks experienced with Greeks and GCs; there was nothing convincing the TCs and Turks that a unitary state with a mixed population had any future without blood shed and inter communal strife.

U can read all the details day by day, minute by minute from the below link:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/96610.pdf


where's this CIA report Insan?


Is the link invisible?


Can't find it anywhere on that link. Sorry to be a pain but could you point it out on that link you posted? Are they your words or the documents words?


I'll tell u on what page u can read it...
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