Viewpoint wrote:Is all the above shit really necessary, you have yet again rverted to attacking the person rather than their arguements, you have been through this before and I can respond in just no even worse degrading manner if you wish, do you want to go down that street once again? you must be a GC you never learn.
Yes, it was very necessary, because you chose to take few word out of a complete sentence to make propaganda with it, just because the whole sentence that I gave was not to your liking, so if you are going to cut my sentences wilfully, I'm going to cut you down also. I'm respectful of those who are respectful of me, otherwise expect the worse.
Viewpoint wrote:You still refrain from stating the obvious which makes you the real liar, GCs if they wish can take the 1 seat necessary even if we reduce the size of the North state to 29% 20% 15%....is it possible???
I have stated many times with arguments with various scenarios on how best BBF can work for both the communities depending how the land issue was handled baring in mind the applications of the EU Principles to be used now that Cyprus is in the EU and that provisions in the AP of 2004 can no longer have a chance to be implemented. So YES, whether the north state is at 15%, 20%, 29, or 37% has great importance if the north wants to keep all the upper house seats in the hands of the TCs. It is a very simple equation to understand if you did not have your eyes fixed on keeping as much GC land for the north as possible. The smaller the area with the highest concentration of TCs can only become a very stronghold for the TCs no matter what because there will be very few GCs owning land in that area and those GCs who are already there will pose no risk at all to the democratic outcomes in voting for the upper house because their numbers will be very, very small. Your biggest problems will be a) to convince enough TCs to move to create this strong hold and b) agreeing to have a smaller land for the north that will be less than 29%, where the TCs will dominate that space. The larger the area, the greater the spread of the TCs in those areas, will allow the greater access to the GCs because they already would have their lands established there from day one. This is why it is important that land size matters and I had made this point from the beginning, that unless land size is adjusted from today's levels, this plan will not work.
You go on about that 1 seat taken by the GCs in a very unlikely event if land is reduced as I've stated above as being end of the world and that would make the TCs a minority. What kind of a warped thinking is that. So what you are saying is, unless both communities have 50-50 power at all times, ones position changes from being an equal citizen to becoming a minority, just because 1 seat has been lost. Even if that were to happen, it is only lost to the length of that seats term and not for ever. I have even gave you an added provisions to be used as an derogations where you can keep the north as majority at all times but you have refused to even comment on this, because you have no place to hide anymore with all your lame excuses. With adequate land given to the south from the north, it will go a long way to get such derogations from the GCs to agree on. How is it you want derogations from the EU to violate others Democratic and Human Rights but you refuse to accept what I have given you where in reality it will not violate anyone's rightly and you still get to keep those 5 seats for the north in the hands of the TCs.
Well, the reasons are crystal clear, and those are, you have no intension on having a unified Cyprus but instead want to have a partition with the 29% of the north to become a Independent Turkish land. I'm not one of your Brain Dead followers of Fascistic NeoPartitionist thinkers who do not want to question your motives. You want to blame others as to why there is no peace in Cyprus when you fail to see what you are asking for cannot be given to you. Your one and only hope was the AP of 2004 to have achieved your goals and since than no one supports such a plan today other than Turkey and the NeoPartitoionist since Cyprus has been in the EU. If you did have intentions of a Unified Cyprus under a BBF of True Federation without any intentions of Partition, then my plan gives you everything you have asked for. The only thing it does not give you, is partition and violations of others Democratic and Human Rights.
Viewpoint wrote:Please tell everyone the truth as they can see rigth through the flawed plan you are trying to peddle.
If this plan was so flawed and that it was in the GCs favour, how come only one member (DT) has supported it, and that was before the derogations I gave you. Perhaps even he no longer supports such a plan, but you are still peddling this as a flawed plan for the TCs. It may be flawed to all the Fascist NeoPartitionist such as people like yourself, but not for those seeking a Fair and Just settlement.
Viewpoint wrote:Now lets blow this little theory out of the water, so what you are in fact saying is make your state so small that there will be no GCs left to return in fact no one will want to return and live under a TC administration, am I right?
Yes, you have finally got it.!
Viewpoint wrote:Lets say the GCs want to take control and we live under a true democracy and human rights where people can buy and settle where ever they wish, is it possible for GCs to buy property in the North state? with its reduced size would they have to buy a lot of land and settle to make a difference? with a numerical advantage and the wealth be it individual or religious sources, could they buy out the TCs, could the TCs pass laws to stop sales to Gcs? NO we would have noway of stopping the influx of GCs who within a very short time frame could take the 1 seat necessary to swing the power and control of the whole island in their favor. You are trying to fuck us over mr thats why you plan is flawed and would never be accepted to stick it where the sun dont shine.
Well, there are many ways for each state and all the counties and towns within that state to regulate how they control of growth in the form of buildings and expansions but NO, you will not be able to discriminate as to who can live in the north state. Also the TCs will not be forced to sell their properties to the GCs if they don't want to. But that is far different than what you are suggesting what will happen in your far fetched thinking, that the GCs will contrive a plan to conspire together to move to the north state from almost zero population if 50% of the north is given back, to come and overtake the TC population of 150,000-200,000 who will be there from day one (after 5 years actually as in my "stocking up" period) and at almost 2% population growth rate per year, the GCs will never be able to match or overtake the TC population. You biggest problem is going to be to try and keep those TC in the north state from moving to the south at which point by then, there will be far better understanding between the communities living together that in the end no one will care which ethnic person will be in those political seats but rather who is the best person for that job, because they will be voted on their ideology and not on their ethnicity who will draw votes from all Cypriot on similar ideology and not based on ethnic lines, assuming we do not have another EOKA-B and TMT Fascists to start their segregation policies again.
I think you have been reading too many fictions I'm afraid to think that the GCs are just going to swamp the north for it’s lousy 1 seat.. But lets say that those fears in you are real just because you cannot separate fiction from non fiction, so then ask for derogations where the growth of the GCs population is based at the same growth rate (lets just say 2%) as the TCs in the north state and the same rules to apply in the south, so that it is reciprocal. This one little derogations where in my opinion will not effect anyone’s rights is nothing but a imaginary violation of anyone's rights, because much to your claim that the GCs will come to flood the north state in some kind of a coup when you have told us millions of times that the GCs will not come and live with the TCs in the north, but when it suits your propaganda, you want to make the opposite claim. You can't have it both ways, so either shit or get off the pot as they say. Even without the derogations as I've stated what you claim will not happen, but as a 100% fool proof guarantee, get the GCs to agree to that derogations.
It is far better and understandable, if not for the long term but most definitely for the short term in asking for a small derogations as I’ve suggested than asking for all the other derogations where it would limit all those 100,000 GCs Democratic and Human Rights in a north state at 29%, in order to keep those 5 seats in the upper house without violating anyone’s rights at a north state at 18% or less and still keep those 5 seats in the upper house, so that all your Whorehouses and Casinos will not be shut down, because that seems to be your only concern if god forbid one of those 5 seats should fall into a GCs hand, not even to someone to your liking as Bananiot chosen by both the TCs and GCs living in the north state. You just give lip service to people like Bananiot of how much you would like to live with them, but when it comes to action, you really don't want his kind either. All you want is a north state under pure TC control and all others Democratic and Human Rights violated if they are not a TC. You position is very clear and I have no problems in seeing them to what they are.!
Viewpoint wrote:The majority of your posts are just hot air nothing more, a barrage of words to conceal the venomous Turk and TC hating mentality you posses, you make things up as you go along and then the twisted part is you believe your own shit and expect pthers to do the same, you will continue to be the reason why we will never unite and the GCs may thing you are on their side by your arse licking tactics but what they dont realize is that it is the Kikapu mentality that will seal division forever...keep up the good work Kikapu.
Yes, VP, when you lose an argument and you get exposed time and time again by me by telling you as to what you really are, you come up with your usual stated above. I'm not bothered with what you write as it is expected from such people like yourself. The fact that you are bothered being exposed by me to what you really are, a GC hating Racist Fascist NeoPartitionist, that's all we need to know about you and the rest of your posts are all self explanatory. Your hatred of the GCs is not based on what you wrote on Tpap's thread where one can be excused hating another individual no matter how sick that may be to desecration of the dead, but your hatred of the GCs were well shown by you to everyone on the Eurovision Song Contest thread when you called all the GCs a racists when the TC singer was not voted to represent Cyprus. All your sweet talk of the Bananiot types are nothing but phoney praises and I'm yet to hear Bananiot say whether he would be happy to live with such a Hateful Racist Fascist NeoPartitionist such as yourself. So far his refusal to say he would, only tells me that he would rather not. That should really tell you something where your views are not supported even by your most praised GC, Bananiot.!
