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[Piratis]

Kikapu is a real Cypriot. If all TCs were like him there wouldn't be any problems in Cyprus, today or in our past.

Not only Cyprus as a whole would be better off, but the TC community would be better off as well. Their standards of living would be twice better than what they are now, and instead of having pseudo "presidents" and pseudo "ministers", there would be real TC ministers, real TC members of parliament and real TC members of the European Parliament as well. Not only that, but their population would be rising instead of declining.

Even now in Switzerland, where the Turkish community is much smaller, he knows that living as a minority in a predominantly Christian country is not bad, and that their community will be respected as long as they also respect the majority of the country.

Maybe VP you would like to suggest to Kikapu that the Turks and TCs in Switzerland should "revolt" and demand disproportionately large gains for themselves on the expense of all other citizens (and why not a Turkish canton by ethnically cleansing everybody else from some territory?). Then you would see the Swiss people becoming "evil" like the "evil GCs", because there is no majority in the world that would accept your kind of crap without reacting. Fortunately Kikapu is not stupid to do in Switzerland what some other TCs have done in Cyprus.

[Piratis]

Piratis

VP, the problem is that you want to make a third of the territory of Cyprus Turkish. The whole of Cyprus for 1000s of years had a Greek Cypriot majority but now you want to change this by means of ethnic cleansing and importation of Turkish Settlers.

Where have I stated this? I support a BBF where everyone can choose where they wish to live and that a certain number of settlers are asked to leave within a specifed criteria. Where is what you claim in what I have just stated?

So are you willing to accept 2 states where both of them will have a GC majority? If yes, then what is the point of wanting 2 states? Or your plan is to deprive those GCs that will settle in the north state from their votes?

Do you expect us to accept such thing? A TC state of any kind could only be considered by us if you drop your demands to the proportional 18%, and even then it will still a big compromise from our side

No I do not expect such a thing but you appear to not undersand what I do ask for.

And just to answer your usual question "But why just 18%. Why not 29%, 50% or 90%" The answer is that GCs are recognized as the majority over the 100% of Cyprus, and they are not obligated to grand to you even 0.1% as a separate state. We are trying to be reasonable by saying 18%, but if you say "Why not 29%?", then we can similarly say "Why not 9%?". The same goes for the coastline.

29% is with GCs who wish to return, why do you not want us to administer 29% where people will be free to settle as they wish under a BBF?

Why do you not want us to administer 89% where people will be free to settle as they wish under a BBF?

[Expatkiwi]

As for the Kiwi wanker, no one likes him full stop, don't even understand why he bothers, jeez the pay from Unckie Dontosh must be good, next he'll be writing a F book about it. Dean go draw some F cartoons and leave Cyprus to the Cypriots FFS.

Kikapu is a real TC, shame there are not many more like him.

B25 ('Mitch'), without me here, you'd be in the toilet wacking off to magazine centerfolds. I actually give you purpose here by my postings. As your reactions are basically knee-jerk rather than considered, I don't think I'm being inaccuate here...

[B25]

As for the Kiwi wanker, no one likes him full stop, don't even understand why he bothers, jeez the pay from Unckie Dontosh must be good, next he'll be writing a F book about it. Dean go draw some F cartoons and leave Cyprus to the Cypriots FFS.

Kikapu is a real TC, shame there are not many more like him.

B25 ('Mitch'), without me here, you'd be in the toilet wacking off to magazine centerfolds. I actually give you purpose here by my postings. As your reactions are basically knee-jerk rather than considered, I don't think I'm being inaccuate here...

seems you have the experience there, wanker.

cartoons, cartoons go draw some cartoons.

[Expatkiwi]

seems you have the experience there, wanker.

cartoons, cartoons go draw some cartoons.

Actually, I just posted a couple on DA. Now, how can I countinue to annoy you... I know; by my continuing to post on this forum at the same time!

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

Kikapu is a real Cypriot. If all TCs were like him there wouldn't be any problems in Cyprus, today or in our past.

And the same could be said for Bananiot if all GCs were like him we would have any problems and accept living in a unitary state with proportional representation.

Not only Cyprus as a whole would be better off, but the TC community would be better off as well. Their standards of living would be twice better than what they are now, and instead of having pseudo "presidents" and pseudo "ministers", there would be real TC ministers, real TC members of parliament and real TC members of the European Parliament as well. Not only that, but their population would be rising instead of declining.

You can keep all that if the price is capitualating to GCs and allowing them a free hand to rule the whole of Cyprus with us as just another minority, we would endure a million times more hardships than become a minoirty under GCs in our own country.

Even now in Switzerland, where the Turkish community is much smaller, he knows that living as a minority in a predominantly Christian country is not bad, and that their community will be respected as long as they also respect the majority of the country.

Maybe VP you would like to suggest to Kikapu that the Turks and TCs in Switzerland should "revolt" and demand disproportionately large gains for themselves on the expense of all other citizens (and why not a Turkish canton by ethnically cleansing everybody else from some territory?). Then you would see the Swiss people becoming "evil" like the "evil GCs", because there is no majority in the world that would accept your kind of crap without reacting. Fortunately Kikapu is not stupid to do in Switzerland what some other TCs have done in Cyprus.

Do the Swiss share our bloody history? has the country been divided for 35 years? do they have the mistrust that we have? No every case is different and you wish to go to level 10 before getting to level 1 well its not possible the has to be transition periods that will allow us to see concrete steps, development, progress and the building of trust, if these factors fall into place and both sides understand that the other side is not out to demolish them off the face of the island then we can gradually move to level 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 and finally 10.

[Piratis]

Piratis

Kikapu is a real Cypriot. If all TCs were like him there wouldn't be any problems in Cyprus, today or in our past.

And the same could be said for Bananiot if all GCs were like him we would have any problems and accept living in a unitary state with proportional representation.

If the TC leader what Kikapu and Bananiot was the GC leader, do you think the solution would be anything different than a unitary state with proportional representation?

Not only Cyprus as a whole would be better off, but the TC community would be better off as well. Their standards of living would be twice better than what they are now, and instead of having pseudo "presidents" and pseudo "ministers", there would be real TC ministers, real TC members of parliament and real TC members of the European Parliament as well. Not only that, but their population would be rising instead of declining.

You can keep all that if the price is capitualating to GCs and allowing them a free hand to rule the whole of Cyprus with us as just another minority, we would endure a million times more hardships than become a minoirty under GCs in our own country.

I hope Bir is reading

Even now in Switzerland, where the Turkish community is much smaller, he knows that living as a minority in a predominantly Christian country is not bad, and that their community will be respected as long as they also respect the majority of the country.

Maybe VP you would like to suggest to Kikapu that the Turks and TCs in Switzerland should "revolt" and demand disproportionately large gains for themselves on the expense of all other citizens (and why not a Turkish canton by ethnically cleansing everybody else from some territory?). Then you would see the Swiss people becoming "evil" like the "evil GCs", because there is no majority in the world that would accept your kind of crap without reacting. Fortunately Kikapu is not stupid to do in Switzerland what some other TCs have done in Cyprus.

Do the Swiss share our bloody history? has the country been divided for 35 years?

Fortunately for them they are too far to be invaded by Turkey.

do they have the mistrust that we have? No every case is different and you wish to go to level 10 before getting to level 1 well its not possible the has to be transition periods that will allow us to see concrete steps, development, progress and the building of trust, if these factors fall into place and both sides understand that the other side is not out to demolish them off the face of the island then we can gradually move to level 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 and finally 10.

OK VP, transitional periods. No problem with that. Thing is that you want to get all your demands from step 1, while you want us to wait (in vain) for step 10 to get our rights. See the problem with that?

Now if you give me some step where you get only 1/10th of your rights also, then we can talk about it.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

If the TC leader what Kikapu and Bananiot was the GC leader, do you think the solution would be anything different than a unitary state with proportional representation?

Its not just down to 2 people its the mentality thats important, I trust GCs like Bananiot and would easily accept a unitary state with proportional representation. Do you understand what I am saying as you appear to either ignore or are just playing games....if all GCs thought like Bananiot I would accept a unitary state with no barriers and proportional representation, even voting on political ideology rather than ethnic backround.

Fortunately for them they are too far to be invaded by Turkey

Plus Turkey is not a guarantor nor did the Swiss give them reason.

OK VP, transitional periods. No problem with that. Thing is that you want to get all your demands from step 1, while you want us to wait (in vain) for step 10 to get our rights. See the problem with that?

Now if you give me some step where you get only 1/10th of your rights also, then we can talk about it.

If you are concerned draw up your own timetable, ask for UN overseers and guarantees of action.

[Piratis]

Piratis

If the TC leader what Kikapu and Bananiot was the GC leader, do you think the solution would be anything different than a unitary state with proportional representation?

Its not just down to 2 people its the mentality thats important, I trust GCs like Bananiot and would easily accept a unitary state with proportional representation. Do you understand what I am saying as you appear to either ignore or are just playing games....if all GCs thought like Bananiot I would accept a unitary state with no barriers and proportional representation, even voting on political ideology rather than ethnic backround.

So do you trust Bananiot or not? If you trust him then shouldn't you also trust his judgment if he was the GC leader?

Fortunately for them they are too far to be invaded by Turkey

Plus Turkey is not a guarantor nor did the Swiss give them reason.

Well, they were too far for the Ottomans also. Thats why.

OK VP, transitional periods. No problem with that. Thing is that you want to get all your demands from step 1, while you want us to wait (in vain) for step 10 to get our rights. See the problem with that?

Now if you give me some step where you get only 1/10th of your rights also, then we can talk about it.

If you are concerned draw up your own timetable, ask for UN overseers and guarantees of action.

OK. So you agree on transitional steps, based on a guranteened timetable, where each side gets a bit on each step (but not everything), until we will reach the final step which is a unitary state with proportional representation?

[Expatkiwi]

OK. So you agree on transitional steps, based on a guranteened timetable, where each side gets a bit on each step (but not everything), until we will reach the final step which is a unitary state with proportional representation?

Ironically, I think that if TRNC had been recognized at the outset, and Turkey not annex it, it probably would have eventually rejoined RoCy like what happened with both Yemens...