Viewpoint wrote:Your plan was rejected becuase it was camaflouged by you to put TCs and the North state at risk. With proportional representation in the lower house giving GCs control our only auto control was the upper house where the ratio was 5 from south state and 5 from north state but where it was flawed was allowing the advantage of the GC using their numerical advantage to swing just 1 seat in the north state in their favor to take control of power all over the island, therefore having sussed you treacherous plan to place us at risk I rejected your plan.
There has to be inbuilt system that will not allow such a sitatuation putting either state at risk, therefore leaving them out of the equation.
There was nothing at all camouflaged. What was very clear why you rejected such a plan was because you did not want to give 50% of the north to become part of the south state as well as not being able to close the government down to cause a constitutional crisis to create an atmosphere for partition. I had also told you many times, that what ever decision is made by the lower and upper house effects all citizens equally and that it is within each state where 99% laws are made by the majority is what applies to that state and its citizens, as long as they did not violate the Federal Constitution which may effect the rights of any citizen in that state.
Here is part of a post I wrote on
"Kikapu's "BBF" power sharing Plan" that you did not respond to which with a slight derogation from the EU and an agreement by the GCs, even your above concerns on the 5 seats for the upper house could be protected by keeping the north to remain majority TCs..
Kikapu wrote:Let me also add, that I have also stated in this thread, that if we are going to ask for derogations from the EU to help the TCs maintain power in the upper house through undemocratic means such as allocating those 5 seats to them rather then being voted on, is to put a limit on how many non TC citizens can move into the "TC state", other than the original 30,000 GC refugees whose land will remain in the north based on the north being at 18-20%. Basically what that would mean is, if most of the TCs were to move into the north state (20%), their numbers will be around 130,000-150,000, which would include the 50,000 settlers given Cypriot citizenships. With the potential of more TCs coming from abroad in the first 5 years to settle in the north under my 5 year plan “stocking up” phase, the TCs numbers can go up to 180,000+ versus the original 30,000 GC refugees rights to live in the north with all their democratic and constitutional rights protected. You can then have a system set up after the 1st 5 years where the number of GCs can only increase in the north at the same numbers as the increases occurring in the TCs numbers. This way, the TCs will always remain the majority in the north and I doubt very much we will ever violate anyone’s Human Rights of any non TCs citizens not being allowed to move to the north if they wanted to in practice. At worse case scenario, they will be put on a waiting list to move to the north if in fact the quotas for that particular year has been reached. This “Human Rights” violation on Cypriot citizens will ONLY be in theoretically and not in actuality, because I do not expect “3,600” GCs moving to the north annually.
For example, if the population of 180,000 TCs were to grow by 2% annually in the north state, that would mean an additional 3,600 more TCs in the north. This would mean an additional 3,600 non TC Cypriot citizens can settle into the north also from the south or from abroad. Just by using simple calculations or even compounded calculations, the TCs will always maintain their original majority numbers of 150,000+ in the north as the case was from day one, and most likely, they will be more than that if the non TCs citizens do not move to the north at maximum quotas for each year. The ratio difference between the TCs and all other Cypriots living in the north will narrow eventually however, if and when “new Cypriot” citizens move to the north at the same numbers increase by the TCs at 3,600. The TCs will set the pace at all times. If agreed by all parties, and the GCs agree to have their population ONLY grow at 2% also in the north state, then the TCs number will grow at much faster pace than the GCs ever will. It all depends how much the GCs will get their own land back from the north to be so accommodating to the TCs. They will for sure not agree to such measures if most of their land is kept to become part of the north state, in which case, they will use all means to increase their numbers in the north eventually. Now, if the majority of the TCs who chooses to move to the south or abroad eventually to seek better paying jobs as Nikitas predicts or move to their own land pre 1974, then their numbers in the north will be reduced drastically over time and the 30,000+ GC refugees may in time outpace the TCs with natural increases through births. This is something the TCs will have to think as to what is more important to them, better paying jobs in the south or who is sitting in the upper house’s 5 seats. My guess is, people will move where they can better their lives if they can and not be too bothered about who is occupying those 5 seats, because every citizen will still have their democratic, Human Rights and individual rights protected by the Federal constitution as well as the state constitution. It will not matter who is occupying those seats, because in True Democracy, those political seats are not guaranteed to any ethnic groups, but only the democratic process can be guaranteed to allow everyone the right to vote and run for office.
In any case, we are getting ahead of ourselves in regarding the ethnic lines, because within 20 years or so, we will be all voting under a political ideology and not along ethnic divisions, which will further show, that it will not make any difference who will occupy those seats, a GC or a TC, because what would matter the most, is what will be their political ideology is and not their ethnicity, as the case is in the USA. I had asked VP several times in the past to tell us his biggest concerns as to how the TC would be effected negatively if any of the upper house's 5 seats were to be won by a non TC citizen in the north state, VP could only come up with the Federal government stopping the Gambling and Whorehouses or stopping trade with Turkeys. All of the above concerns VP gave us tells me that the 5 seats are not worth as much as VP makes them out to be, because 99% of all the laws that will effect the individual states and it's citizens, are laws passed within those states and not by the Federal government. Any laws passed by the Federal government will effect all citizens, regardless where they may live and not adversely effect one ethnic group over another.
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