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Postby Piratis » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:10 pm

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Bananiot wrote:So Piratis, you are saying that it was the traitors (you love this word, you bash patriot, you cannot live in a world without traitors, because you would have no one to blame for your shortcomings) that prevented us from scoring a huge victory over the foreign imperialists and of course uniting Cyprus with Greece.

I say that you live on cloud nine and that it was the myopic view of the lawyers, priests and Grivas's at the time (all bash patriots) who started a form of a struggle that would inevitably lead to disaster as it did not took into consideration the forces involved in our area at the time. Damn it, even Greece was against it (we breath with two lungs, one English and the other American) and you have the audacity to repeat time and time again that it was the traitors like me (I was 5 at the time) that betrayed the struggle and not the miscalculations of the strategy needed regarding the form of struggle that would stand a more realistic chance to succeed.

I put it to you that if you are looking for traitor you do not need to look very far. They are in the soul of the bash patriots who continue until today to sell coal for gold, thinking that they will always be in a position to deceive the people with their bash patriotic rhetoric.


If the Imperialists could achieve their aims without traitors, then why did they use such traitors? Why for example didn't they bring more of their own troops to fight against our revolution and they instead hired TCs to do their dirty job?

If you prefer to call you idiot instead of traitor, then fine. I gave you this option before and you can take it if you believe it is more appropriate.

The fact is that we asked for nothing less and nothing more than what was our rights. For many decades we were asking to be allowed to peacefully and freely decide the destiny of our own island and this undisputed right was denied to us by the Imperialists. Revolution was our last resort, and if it wasn't for traitors/idiots like you, then we would have succeeded.


Revolution was what you got but not from GCs a large portion of the popultion who did not want to become part of Greece, its a 2 way street but you have yet to acknowledge that when democracy is used to the disadvantage of a large number of people they will do everything within their power to fight back and survive which is exactly what we did.


In what way would union with Greece disadvantage your community in Cyprus when compared to say the Greek community in Turkey?

Cyprus instead of being part of the Ottoman or British empires against the will of Cypriot people and with Cypriots being mere subjects of those empires imposed on us, it would be part of the Greek Republic, which was the wish of the vast majority of Cypriots, and all Cypriots would be equal Greek citizens, not subjects of some empire. None of your human rights would be violated if Cyprus was united with Greece.

How was it fine for you to impose the Ottoman empire on us for 300+ years, but not OK for the Cypriot people to democratically choose to be part of the Greek Republic?

Still we made a compromise to our RIGHT and accepted that Cyprus will not be part of Greece. Today there are very few Cypriots that support that such thing should happen. And although we made this and many other compromises, you made none and you are still trying to violate our human and democratic rights in order to create some "Turkish State" over territory which historically, for 1000s of years, had a GC majority.


You still have problems understanding that if the majority force a substantial part of their population into a situation such as enosis which for them is equal to death you will get a revolution and thats what happened. You brushed aside the concerns of the TCs as you do today and try to impose your will as you did in 1963 and even today during the talks, well that path will not work TCs will always fight for what they believe in even if it means assimilating to Turkey have no doubt we will do it.

You only compromised after you knew you had lost the battle and dont give me you were forced into the 1960 agreements you did it to get rid of the Brits thinking you could get rid of us later but you forgot one thing we belong here and are not going anywhere.


Equivalent to death for us (or ethnic cleansing at best) has been your partition aim. How was union with Greece equivalent with death for you? Rhodes island united with Greece in 1947 and your minority there not only was not killed, but they had a 20% increase in their population since then.

So stop trying to justify your crimes with baseless imaginary assumptions. The fact is that we asked for what was our RIGHT and you collaborated with foreign Imperialists and attacked us in order to deprive us from our rights and have gains on our expense.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:12 pm

enosis came first and you well know it, 1571 changed the mosiac of Cyprus forever the ideology that Cyprus was Greek came well before and still thrives today. The only difference in our fight for what we believe is that we suceeded to physically divide the island and create our own country recognized only by Turkey and you got your oen GC state uniting Cyprus to Greece allbeit through the EU.

If you have no enosis dream taksim would never have been born, why would we need it if we lived in peace and posperity as one people on an independent island?
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:18 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:So you are happy to place your safety and future in the hands of the GCs like Piratis Kikapu Sotos Oracle and crowd?


Personally speaking,yes,I think i would be perfectly safe with all these people you named except one...I am not sure about that Kikapu... :D He would probably cause my death from all that molohiya and kolokas he will feed me... :wink: :( :(


:lol: :lol: :lol:

You forgot to add the Leg of Lamb, Bir. That's the real "killer" in my arsenal of recipes to feed you with.! :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:38 pm

Viewpoint wrote:enosis came first and you well know it, 1571 changed the mosiac of Cyprus forever the ideology that Cyprus was Greek came well before and still thrives today. The only difference in our fight for what we believe is that we suceeded to physically divide the island and create our own country recognized only by Turkey and you got your oen GC state uniting Cyprus to Greece allbeit through the EU.

If you have no enosis dream taksim would never have been born, why would we need it if we lived in peace and posperity as one people on an independent island?


What you want to say is "Why would we settle for half the island if we could occupy the whole of it as we did during Ottoman rule".

Because if you wanted an independent island you had all the power to do it during your rule, even before Greece was independent and therefore even before any enosis cause.

The fact is that you wanted to force your rule in as much territories as possible. During Ottoman rule you could force your rule over the whole of the island, later it became feasible for you to force your rule over only half of it. Unfortunately for you forcing your rule over Cyprus (or parts of it) does not make it yours, even if you occupy it for 300+ years, and therefore the whole of Cyprus will be liberated from your illegal occupation eventually either you like it or not.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:19 pm

YFred wrote:Welcome back to the forum Bir.

Thanks,mate...Good to be back...
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:31 pm

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YFred wrote:Welcome back to the forum Bir.

Thanks,mate...Good to be back...

I see you survived Fatal Attraction! :lol:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:34 pm

The exchange between Piratis and Viewpoint illustrates once again why we are never going to find an agreed solution...Stripped down Piratis is saying "You were the aggressors in 1571 and ever since...GCs has suffered more and for longer than the TCs,so dont look for any sympathy or understanding from us.It is majority rule or nothing!"And VP is saying "You will always blame us for the original sin,will never appreciate our pain and sufering,so we cannot ever trust you...It is partition of nothing..." Never the twine shall meet!!! or whatever the saying is... :( :(
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:35 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:" Never the twine shall meet!!! or whatever the saying is... :( :(


Never the twits shall meet? :?
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:00 pm

Get Real! wrote:
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YFred wrote:Welcome back to the forum Bir.

Thanks,mate...Good to be back...

I see you survived Fatal Attraction! :lol:


It is a bit early to say that,GR! :D


Good to see you around...
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Postby Piratis » Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:14 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:The exchange between Piratis and Viewpoint illustrates once again why we are never going to find an agreed solution...Stripped down Piratis is saying "You were the aggressors in 1571 and ever since...GCs has suffered more and for longer than the TCs,so dont look for any sympathy or understanding from us.It is majority rule or nothing!"And VP is saying "You will always blame us for the original sin,will never appreciate our pain and sufering,so we cannot ever trust you...It is partition of nothing..." Never the twine shall meet!!! or whatever the saying is... :( :(


And stripped down what you are saying is: "Bent over and let the Turks violate your human and democratic rights yet again" you call this "sympathy and understanding" :? :shock: and you think that it is the "solution" of the Cyprus Problem.

Also you got wrong what I am saying. For me what happened in the past is important only for factual reasons and I talk about the past only when somebody tries to falsify our history in order to excuse yet more crimes against us. On the contrary, I do not support that even a single of TCs human rights should be violated, regardless of what they did to us in the past and they continue doing against us as we speak. Unfortunately you miss this point.
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