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[Get Real!]

Is the “TRNC” a Turkish Cypriot right of self-determination?

Article 1 of the “International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights” adopted by the UN General Assembly in December 1966 says…

“1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/ccpr.htm

The covenant goes on to expand on this right in more detail in the articles that follow, but leaves a very vague sense of any limitations to it rendering the covenant an open invitation to social renegades and hostile groups to just rise up and claim independence!

Of course, self-determination is a complex concept with conflicting definitions and legal criteria for determining which groups may legitimately claim it!

Therefore, the UN has since made numerous amends to this open-ended invitation to correct the problem including in 1984 in their…

General Comment No. 12: The right to self-determination of peoples

“2. Article 1 enshrines an inalienable right of all peoples as described in its paragraphs 1 and 2. By virtue of that right they freely "determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development". The article imposes on all States parties corresponding obligations. This right and the corresponding obligations concerning its implementation are interrelated with other provisions of the Covenant and rules of international law.”

http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/0/f3c9 ... endocument


Conclusion: We can clearly see now that the implementation of self-determination is bound by international law, so the notion that Turkish Cypriots have a right to self-determination on Cypriot territory that they along with Turkey, had ethnically cleansed of any Greek Cypriots in July and August of 1974, has no legal standing whatsoever!

It is therefore by no accident that the UN condemned this act via…

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm


Regards, GR.

[Piratis]

the notion that Turkish Cypriots have a right to self-determination on Cypriot territory that they along with Turkey, had ethnically cleansed of any Greek Cypriots in July and August of 1974, has no legal standing whatsoever!

To put it simply, the most basic requirement for self-determination is that you want to determine your own self and what belongs to you. You can't invade a territory ethnically cleanse it from its native population, replace it with foreign Settlers and then claim that this territory falls under your "self-determination". We are not living in the Middle ages or the Ottoman era anymore.

[Expatkiwi]

Is the “TRNC” a Turkish Cypriot right of self-determination?

Article 1 of the “International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights” adopted by the UN General Assembly in December 1966 says…

“1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

You said it all there. Glad you agree.

[SKI-preo]

Expat kiwi in Statutory Interpretation you are required to read the entire document in addition with supporting/overriding instruments and decisions- not just an unqualified sentence in a thousand page instrument.


If you selectively cherry pick three words out of an entire legal instrument you end up with abominations of interpretation such as your ignorant dark age view.

Your picture comes up if you google "A little knowledge is dangerous."

[paliometoxo]

the trnc is nothing more lthen a wet dream of turkeys.. Decadaes of planning and causing problems and wars for an excuse to invade which will soon be torn down and forgogtten about

[Get Real!]

Is the “TRNC” a Turkish Cypriot right of self-determination?

Article 1 of the “International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights” adopted by the UN General Assembly in December 1966 says…

“1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

You said it all there. Glad you agree.

For someone who has been throwing the “self-determination” card around for over a year, you’ve turned out to be such a flop on the issue!

Which is fine of course, but in future just keep a low profile and stop wasting people’s time.

[Oracle]

Is the “TRNC” a Turkish Cypriot right of self-determination?

Article 1 of the “International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights” adopted by the UN General Assembly in December 1966 says…

“1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

You said it all there. Glad you agree.

They have the right to self-determination in Turkey, or wherever else they may get permission, but not in Cyprus. It's not permitted ... we are a Democracy of one people.

[CopperLine]

Is the “TRNC” a Turkish Cypriot right of self-determination?

Article 1 of the “International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights” adopted by the UN General Assembly in December 1966 says…

“1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

You said it all there. Glad you agree.

Yes, exactly. (Unless of course that is, in Orwellian terms, you think that some equals are more equal than others )

[CopperLine]

They have the right to self-determination in Turkey, or wherever else they may get permission, but not in Cyprus. It's not permitted ... we are a Democracy of one people.

Duh ! Somebody can't even grasp the difference between a right and a privilege. Rights inhere, privileges are granted (permitted).

Try law or politics 101 then come back.

[Oracle]

Is the “TRNC” a Turkish Cypriot right of self-determination?

Article 1 of the “International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights” adopted by the UN General Assembly in December 1966 says…

“1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

You said it all there. Glad you agree.

Yes, exactly. (Unless of course that is, in Orwellian terms, you think that some equals are more equal than others )

"Yes, exactly" if you too like out of context, truncated snippets. The law according to Expat and Copper

Don't wait for the full evidence ...