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[Sotos]

Sotos, would the word be "ligitimate", or maybe "real", or perhaps "wonderful"?

No. You failed the test. Lets see if CooperLine will pass.

[CopperLine]

the attempt to create a "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus", is _______

still ongoing
silly
a good idea
a bad idea
pissing in the wind
absolutely vital
highly imaginative

TCs only hope
TCs best hope
TCs forlorn hope
TCs false hope

Turkey's Trojan horse
a Greek gift
a GC penalty


Go on Sotos, stun us with your answer.

[paliometoxo]

turkeys trojan horse seemslikethe best fit answer out of the answrd you have given

[Get Real!]

Yes, exactly. (Unless of course that is, in Orwellian terms, you think that some equals are more equal than others )

You're not as clever as you think Copperline, because the UN right of peoples’ self-determination actually refers to that of LEGITIMATE COUNTRIES under opression and/or occupation, and not a right of a bunch of renegades, hippies, or anarchists!


RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
[on the report of the Third Committee (A/52/643)]

52/113. Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination

The General Assembly,

Reaffirming the importance, for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights, of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations and embodied in the International Covenants on Human Rights, Resolution 2200 A (XXI), annex. as well as in the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples contained in General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960,

Welcoming the progressive exercise of the right to self-determination by peoples under colonial, foreign or alien occupation and their emergence into sovereign statehood and independence,

Deeply concerned at the continuation of acts or threats of foreign military intervention and occupation that are threatening to suppress, or have already suppressed, the right to self-determination of an increasing number of sovereign peoples and nations,

Expressing grave concern that, as a consequence of the persistence of such actions, millions of people have been and are being uprooted from their homes as refugees and displaced persons, and emphasizing the urgent need for concerted international action to alleviate their condition,


Taking note of the report of the Secretary-General on the right of peoples to self-determination, A/52/485.

1. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights;

2. Declares its firm opposition to acts of foreign military intervention, aggression and occupation, since these have resulted in the suppression of the right of peoples to self-determination and other human rights in certain parts of the world;

3. Calls upon those States responsible to cease immediately their military intervention in and occupation of foreign countries and territories and all acts of repression, discrimination, exploitation and maltreatment, particularly the brutal and inhuman methods reportedly employed for the execution of those acts against the peoples concerned;

4. Deplores the plight of the millions of refugees and displaced persons who have been uprooted as a result of the aforementioned acts, and reaffirms their right to return to their homes voluntarily in safety and honour;

5. Requests the Commission on Human Rights to continue to give special attention to the violation of human rights, especially the right to self-determination, resulting from foreign military intervention, aggression or occupation;

6. Requests the Secretary-General to report on this question to the General Assembly at its fifty-third session under the item entitled "Right of peoples to self-determination".

http://www.unhchr.ch/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/(Symbol)/A.RES.52.113.En?Opendocument

[Get Real!]

In case you missed it Copperline...

It is Cyprus and her government the RoC, that has her right to self-determination being violated, and certainly not the Turkish Cypriots who invited, assisted, and are living with the internationally condemned occupier!

[CopperLine]

because the UN right of peoples’ self-determination actually refers to that of LEGITIMATE COUNTRIES under opression and/or occupation, and not a right of a bunch of renegades, hippies, or anarchists!

Get Real, get out of here. You just made that up. Legitimate countries - I challenge you to find the phrase "legitimate countries" in any instrument of international law.

The GA resolution you posted doesn't even say self-determination actually refers to that of legitimate countries under oppression and/or occupation. In fact the first sentence you highlighted in bold would make no sense if your 'legitimate countries' test was applied.

Whilst I'm on it, let me also say that it is not "the UN right of peoples' self-determination ...." It is not the UN that has the right, it is not the UN that grants the right : it is the people who have/inalienably possess the right of self-determination. In other words the right inheres in the people - whoever they are. There is a reason why the modern concept of rights, including human rights, come from a 'natural rights' tradition.

[Get Real!]

because the UN right of peoples’ self-determination actually refers to that of LEGITIMATE COUNTRIES under opression and/or occupation, and not a right of a bunch of renegades, hippies, or anarchists!

Get Real, get out of here. You just made that up. Legitimate countries - I challenge you to find the phrase "legitimate countries" in any instrument of international law.

The GA resolution you posted doesn't even say self-determination actually refers to that of legitimate countries under oppression and/or occupation. In fact the first sentence you highlighted in bold would make no sense if your 'legitimate countries' test was applied.

Whilst I'm on it, let me also say that it is not "the UN right of peoples' self-determination ...." It is not the UN that has the right, it is not the UN that grants the right : it is the people who have/inalienably possess the right of self-determination. In other words the right inheres in the people - whoever they are. There is a reason why the modern concept of rights, including human rights, come from a 'natural rights' tradition.

The UN uses the word “peoples” which means the human beings of a particular nation or community, and it also makes very clear WHO the offender is…

“peoples under colonial, foreign or alien occupation”

And…

“acts or threats of foreign military intervention and occupation that are threatening to suppress, or have already suppressed”

Both of the above apply to Cyprus but not to the Turkish Cypriots!

[Get Real!]

Let's see how clever you are Copperline...

Who exactly is this colonial, foreign, or alien invader that the Turkish Cypriots are a victim of, and have had their right to self-determination violated by?

[Get Real!]

You're taking too long Copperline...

The right of self-determination is that of countries or “peoples” as the UN refers to them, but when it comes to the rights of ethnic groups such as the Turkish Cypriots, then the appropriate charter is that of the…

Declaration on the Rights of Persons Belonging to National or Ethnic, Religious and Linguistic Minorities

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/minorities.htm

It’s obvious that Turkish Cypriots DO NOT have any right to self-determination, but rights as an ethnic minority!

[Viewpoint]

Then we have to fight for it every way we can and not capitulate to GC demands to turn us into a minority in our own country.