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What Are the Differences between ''Taiwan'' and ''TRNC''

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Postby CopperLine » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:39 pm

Piratis just gets sillier and sillier :
Lets compare the invasion of Crete by the Nazis (one of the most important battles of the WWII)


The Germans used a couple of divisions in the invasion of Crete in 1941, with a bout 4,000 casualties, roughly half:half dead:wounded. Let's take another relatively insignificant battles of the 2ndWW, the 1st Battle of Tobruk, occurring roughly the same period and strategic moment as Crete. Here there were at least 5 Italian divisions and 3 German divisions, with casualties of about 8,000. But lets take a couple of significant battles eg the Bulge or Kursk. For the former we're talking not in terms of divisions but in terms of army groups, of which the Germans deployed 4 army groups with 70,000 + casualties - but still Piratis has the tint battle of Crete as the most significant of WW2. But even the Bulge is dwarfed by Kursk which was just one battle area amongst many had 50 German divisions, totalling 900,000 troops (20 times the number of troops involved in Crete) pitted against 1.7 million Russian troops. And Piratis says that Crete was one of the most important battles of WW2. Crete was even one morning's fighting of Kursk.
I don't know why but Piratis' sense of proportion is perversely distorted.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:03 pm

Konrad Lorenz would have had a field day with CopperLine's prime example of Displacement Behaviour. What a blatant display of redirecting an argument to some irrelevancy because he cannot answer; yet, feels the need to conduct some vacuous ritual.

Don't mind me, I'm just a casual observer/commentator today .... :lol:
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Re: What Are the Differences between ''Taiwan'' and ''TRNC''

Postby denizaksulu » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:39 pm

Expatkiwi wrote:
Get Real! wrote:The "TRNC" is an illegal Turkish occupation of Cypriot sovereign territory...


Hmmm, I always thought that the TRNC was "a natural outcome of the Turkish Cypriot people's right to self determination and sovereignty"...



Self determination by first 'ethnic cleansing' then call that 'self determination' ? Mind boggles. Someone must have re-written the definition then!!
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Re: What Are the Differences between ''Taiwan'' and ''TRNC''

Postby B25 » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:44 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:
Get Real! wrote:The "TRNC" is an illegal Turkish occupation of Cypriot sovereign territory...


Hmmm, I always thought that the TRNC was "a natural outcome of the Turkish Cypriot people's right to self determination and sovereignty"...



Self determination by first 'ethnic cleansing' then call that 'self determination' ? Mind boggles. Someone must have re-written the definition then!!


Deniz, don't trouble yourself, thats just coming from the cartoon man who is trying to justify his pseudo awards on Wikipedia in the "trnc". He thinks he is a successful auther of sommat!
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Re: What Are the Differences between ''Taiwan'' and ''TRNC''

Postby Get Real! » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:47 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:
Get Real! wrote:The "TRNC" is an illegal Turkish occupation of Cypriot sovereign territory...


Hmmm, I always thought that the TRNC was "a natural outcome of the Turkish Cypriot people's right to self determination and sovereignty"...

Self determination by first 'ethnic cleansing' then call that 'self determination' ? Mind boggles. Someone must have re-written the definition then!!

He also has the gall to call others hypocrites! :roll:
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Postby Expatkiwi » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:24 pm

...and a lot of folk on this forum are, GR.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:40 am

CopperLine wrote:Piratis,
Your last post was typically evasive and left you busy building straw figures - again. The stuff on the Nazi comparison, which you introduced not me, is simply daft.

Against my better judgment here is a sample of posts which indicate the kinds of things that I have actually written on this forum and not what you imagine I have written on this forum. It took me a couple of minutes to search for these, something you couldn't be arsed to do before repeating baseless allegations.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/post-187239.html&highlight=turkey+democracy#187239 from July 2007

The line where you say to me
Nobody will have any prejudice against you because of your origin.
has me laughing all over the place. http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=189332&highlight=turkey+democracy#189332 from August 2007


http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ent#188704 from August 2007about the Turkish army

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... t&start=40 from August 2007 about Turkish army and democracy

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=211519&highlight=turkey+democracy#211519 from October 2007 about ethnic cleansing

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=346957&highlight=expression#346957 from September 2008 on fighting the Turkish state and supporting democracy



So Piratis, when are you going to stop beating your wife ? Evidence please.


Thank you for reminding us all how you tried to fake your identity and present yourself as objective... and failed.

I (and many others) understood that you are a Turk who supports crimes against Cyprus from the very first posts you made, even though you tried to hide this truth.

How did we understood immediately the truth you tried to hide if not as a conclusion based on what you wrote in the forum? Do you think we have some supernatural abilities?

Kikapu is a TC with whom I am in agreement more time than with any other member in this forum. He truly supports democracy and human rights, and he doesn't have to hide his origins. He is not a fake like you are.

You claim that you support democracy and human rights, that you do not support ethnic cleansing, and that you are supposedly "anti-militant", but when we are talking about the "trnc", which is a monstrosity created by means of a foreign invasion, ethnic cleansing, human rights violations of 100s of thousands of innocent people, and declared illegally against the will of the majority of the population of that territory (who have been silenced by being ethnically cleansed) you are trying to find EXCUSES for this illegal regime, and you are trying to tell us that this monstrosity of foreign invasion and ethnic cleansing is similar to Taiwan! Sorry mate, but you can not fool anybody about what you are and what you support.
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Postby Acikgoz » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:52 am

Off he goes again, loses the plot and reverts to rambling and muttering hate, hate, hate.
They are all cast from the same mold.
Shame, shame, shame.
Can't admit your the GC caused genocide, ethinc cleansing, Greek army, weapons brought over from greece.
The blood on your hands.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:03 am

CopperLine wrote:Piratis just gets sillier and sillier :
Lets compare the invasion of Crete by the Nazis (one of the most important battles of the WWII)


The Germans used a couple of divisions in the invasion of Crete in 1941, with a bout 4,000 casualties, roughly half:half dead:wounded. Let's take another relatively insignificant battles of the 2ndWW, the 1st Battle of Tobruk, occurring roughly the same period and strategic moment as Crete. Here there were at least 5 Italian divisions and 3 German divisions, with casualties of about 8,000. But lets take a couple of significant battles eg the Bulge or Kursk. For the former we're talking not in terms of divisions but in terms of army groups, of which the Germans deployed 4 army groups with 70,000 + casualties - but still Piratis has the tint battle of Crete as the most significant of WW2. But even the Bulge is dwarfed by Kursk which was just one battle area amongst many had 50 German divisions, totalling 900,000 troops (20 times the number of troops involved in Crete) pitted against 1.7 million Russian troops. And Piratis says that Crete was one of the most important battles of WW2. Crete was even one morning's fighting of Kursk.
I don't know why but Piratis' sense of proportion is perversely distorted.


My sense of proportion is fine my friend. It is yours which is distorted.

You are comparing the war between two major powers (Russia and Germany) with the invasion of Turkey, a major power, against a small island like Cyprus! No my friend. The right comparison is the one I gave earlier, where In both cases we have a major fascist power (Germany/Turkey) invading a Mediterranean island (Crete/Cyprus).

Ask any Cypriot and he will tell you that we would rather be invaded by the Germans, be occupied for some years and then be liberated (like Crete), rather than being invaded by the Turks, who not only caused to us the same amount of casualties that the Germans caused to the Cretan population, but on top of that ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of innocent people, imported 10s of thousands of foreign Settlers in Cyprus (against the Geneva Convention) and continue to occupy part of our country for over 35 years!

The Germans regretted for their crimes and that is why they can be forgiven. On the other hand you, not only you do not regret your crimes against Cyprus, but you continue your crimes as we speak with no indication that you will ever show some respect to international law, democracy and human rights.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:15 am

Acikgoz wrote:Off he goes again, loses the plot and reverts to rambling and muttering hate, hate, hate.
They are all cast from the same mold.
Shame, shame, shame.
Can't admit your the GC caused genocide, ethinc cleansing, Greek army, weapons brought over from greece.
The blood on your hands.


really? Instead of giving us just some keywords why don't you give us the whole fairy tale?

Here, I will do the start for you:

"The Turks, a native Mediterranean people, lived happily in Cyprus for 1000s of years. Then one day the evil Greek Cypriots came and committed a genocide against the peace loving Turks. Soon after, the Turks grew back from the land of Cyprus, but the evil Greek Cypriots oppressed the poor innocent Turks for centuries and forced them to be under the brutal Cypriot Empire which ruled half the world."
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