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Postby alexISS » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:14 pm

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Get Real! wrote:You've got no legs to stand on Groucho... :lol:


Try to prove it instead of just saying it, because you're being raped here :lol:

What exactly do you want me to prove?

1. That the Greek junta was the official government of Greece for seven whole years?


If you believe this, then you also believe Sampson headed a legitimate/official government representing the GCs when he replaced Makarios!


That's what I've been telling him all this time, he conveniently ignored me and he'll conveniently ignore you as well. Don't bother
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Postby insan » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:19 pm

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vaughanwilliams wrote:Doesn't follow. The Junta was going to collapse whether the Turks took part of Cyprus or all of it.

The Junta would collapse and the Americans would lose Greece completely if they would had gifted the whole island to Turkey, so they partitioned it instead. Get it now?


Ionnides disapproves u...

10. At this point Ioannides summed up as follows:

A) He stressed that he too had a God; he was definitely not anti-American; “even a jackass needed a post to be tied to” and in his case it was the U.S.

B) His hasty decision on 13 July might have been stupid. Instead of abandoning Cyprus and letting U.S. worry about its fate and pour money down another rathole, he had allowed love of country, a moral obligation to the Greek Cypriot nationalists and his “philotimo” to overrule logic and to assist Greek Cypriots.




http://history.state.gov/historicaldocu ... 30/d88#fn2
http://kostasmavroskoufis.blogspot.com/ ... pmt-4.html


It is clearly seen that on 13th of July 1974, Ionnides was ordered to "abandon" Cyprus... However, on 15th of July; Ionnides ordered the ring leaders of his National Guard in Cyprus to overthrow Makarios... Why?

According to his idiotic opinion he would have rescued U.S. worry about its fate and pour money down another rathole, he had allowed love of country, a moral obligation to the Greek Cypriot nationalists and his “philotimo” to overrule logic and to assist Greek Cypriots.

So when did Kissinger assure Ionnides that he could overthrow Makarios and Turkey wouldn't intervene?

Was his aim double Enosis? Apparantly, no. Greek Junta rejected Turkey's double Enosis proposal back in 1967.

Had there been no coup in Cyprus or coupists succeeded to stay in power, they would first have persecuted and intimidated the left-wingers aka so-called resistance fighters as they had done the leftists in Greece.

However left wing of Cyprus did not constitute even a little danger for US interests in cold war era.

Ionnides in his idiotic us-puppet mind supposedly would have served US interests and gain a strong position in eye of US for Greece's national interests.

Junta had made it clear in the begining of 1967 that they want an unconditional Enosis. Had they changed their minds after 7 years? Obviously no...

Had Junta succeeded in their plans; they would quickly have reinforced the Greek forces in Cyprus and declared Enosis.

In this case Turkey wouldn't dare to militarily intervene; accept the fait accompli as a defacto situation and via US, try to pressurize Junta to withdraw from Cyprus...

In idiotic mind of Ionnides, US would have stood by right wing controlled Greece instead of leftists led Turkey...

Even maybe Ionnides would offer to US more installations in Greece and most probably in Cyprus....
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:20 pm

alexISS wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:You've got no legs to stand on Groucho... :lol:


Try to prove it instead of just saying it, because you're being raped here :lol:

What exactly do you want me to prove?

1. That the Greek junta was the official government of Greece for seven whole years?


If you believe this, then you also believe Sampson headed a legitimate/official government representing the GCs when he replaced Makarios!


That's what I've been telling him all this time, he conveniently ignored me and he'll conveniently ignore you as well. Don't bother


Hi AlexISS ... Your unanswered arguments against GR! should make a good thread, when you have time. I accidentally used that argument against him last week and he ran off. It's still unanswered. :lol:
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Postby Afroasiatis » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:21 pm

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Get Real! wrote:2. That the coup in Cyprus was funded, instigated, and managed by GREEKS?

Wrong, it was instigated by Cypriots, and their leader was Sampson. Next


Do you really think that Cypriot opponents of Makarios would be able to make the coup without the Greek officers who controlled the National Guard? And without funding from Greece?
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Postby alexISS » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:37 pm

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Get Real! wrote:2. That the coup in Cyprus was funded, instigated, and managed by GREEKS?

Wrong, it was instigated by Cypriots, and their leader was Sampson. Next


Do you really think that Cypriot opponents of Makarios would be able to make the coup without the Greek officers who controlled the National Guard? And without funding from Greece?


Of Course not, you haven't followed the discussion
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Postby alexISS » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:42 pm

Oracle wrote:Hi AlexISS ... Your unanswered arguments against GR! should make a good thread, when you have time. I accidentally used that argument against him last week and he ran off. It's still unanswered. :lol:

Oracle, I'm afraid I can't bear the responsibility of starting a new thread because then I would have to follow it :lol: but, if you do, I promise I'll contribute as much as I can
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Postby alexISS » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:49 pm

insan wrote:Ionnides disapproves u...

Are you kidding me?
Ioannides must be the most biased person of all :lol:
Didn't even bother reading what you quoted, and neither should you
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Postby insan » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:52 pm

alexISS wrote:
insan wrote:Ionnides disapproves u...

Are you kidding me?
Ioannides must be the most biased person of all :lol:
Didn't even bother reading what you quoted, and neither should you


Behave how it suits u... :lol: Hi is biased or not, gives alot of insight regarding the coup and whether US had any involvement with the coup or not.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:11 pm

Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
alexISS wrote:
Get Real! wrote:You've got no legs to stand on Groucho... :lol:


Try to prove it instead of just saying it, because you're being raped here :lol:

What exactly do you want me to prove?

1. That the Greek junta was the official government of Greece for seven whole years?

If you believe this, then you also believe Sampson headed a legitimate/official government representing the GCs when he replaced Makarios!

It's time you questioned your IQ!

Sampson, was NOT in the military and it was the Greek officers in charge of the military who initiated and carried out the coup, as ordered by Athens.

Sampson, was a civilian thug who was placed in the “presidential” seat after many others refused the offer!

Now quit manufacturing rubbish!
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:24 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
alexISS wrote:
Get Real! wrote:You've got no legs to stand on Groucho... :lol:


Try to prove it instead of just saying it, because you're being raped here :lol:

What exactly do you want me to prove?

1. That the Greek junta was the official government of Greece for seven whole years?

If you believe this, then you also believe Sampson headed a legitimate/official government representing the GCs when he replaced Makarios!

It's time you questioned your IQ!

Sampson, was NOT in the military and it was the Greek officers in charge of the military who initiated and carried out the coup, as ordered by Athens.

Sampson, was a civilian thug who was placed in the “presidential” seat after many others refused the offer!

Now quit manufacturing rubbish!


Not good enough! :roll:

Your opinion that he was a "civilian thug" does not tally with the evidence that he was a committed and fanatic self-believing representative (much like the junta) but of the GC population, which wanted Enosis with Greece (more real than any Greeks wanting to rule Cyprus :roll: ).

Comparatively speaking, he was the equivalent of the junta whom the Greeks did not elect, but with what he unilaterally decided he was above ...

The idiots of the coup were the 'involved GCs' ... because they were our own people, according to you.
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