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[DT.]

We deserve what we get with a government like this.

The man that brought to you the rotating presidency and other gems such as omonoia laos protathlima...has now evolved into a cross-border attraction. The multi-level diplomacy being conducted with the likes of Lybia, Syria and Cuba have finally brought as some well earned results. For starters we finally got rid off those pesky US Senators that have been supporting our cause and maintaining some sort of a "balance" in US politics between Cyprus and Turkey.

http://www.offsite.com.cy/images/storie ... 9_2009.pdf

What a joy to look forward to the day when our President will be Eroglu and our Vice President will be Chistofias. Its enough to make you gather up the hooligans from Apoel and begin work on the formation of EOKA C.

[Oracle]

I think Menendez is a little confused as to who is the oppressed and who the oppressor!

If he wants to draw parallels between Cuba, US, Turkey and Cyprus then the oppressors are Turkey on Cyprus and the US on Cuba. The Human Rights violations perpetrated on Cuba are by the US. Just as are the Human Rights violated on Cyprus being carried out by Turkey.

Seems he doesn't like to be equated with the Turks ...

[yialousa1971]

Told you all he was a traitor!

[Lit]

I think Menendez is a little confused as to who is the oppressed and who the oppressor!

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There is no confusion On Senator Menendez part. I have met the man personally at a fund raiser gathering. He is a true philhellene and always speaks with great admiration and passion for Greece and Cyprus. Only if there were more like him would the Cyprus problem truly be resolved.

GR and his oddly shaped head should take note ... Box head?! Only with the help of US Senators like Menendez can there truly be a solution to the Cyprus problem. The solution is not calling ourselves Syrian and becoming anti western and rejecting Hellenism so that you have the same loyalties with the TCs ...

Box head...your f-ckin dumbing down to Insane's level.

[Paphitis]

I have been telling everyone that our non existent international diplomacy and Banana Republic antics and rhetoric will land is in very hot water, just like it did in 1967 and 15 Jul 74 which then led to the invasion.

If Cyprus is part of the EU, then it should behave like an EU member and apply to join the Partnership for Peace (PfP), and then perhaps make it clear that it wants to join NATO, even if Turkey will veto against this. This will send a very clear message to the US and other allies that Cyprus can be trusted. There needs to be some rapprochement between Cyprus and very vital countries to our interests, and not bash those that hold the key to our resurrection, because we are going to get done over again and again.

Bashing the US is not your answer... As grotesque as it may seem to many of you, the RoC President needs to make Obama his new best friend, and abandon those fantasies of an "anti imperialist" stand from such like as Cuba, Iran and Syria.

Cyprus has many friends in the US and other countries like it, but at times, even they just shy away from sheer frustration.

As countries move into the 21st century, our politicians still remain in the 60s and 70s.

I also mentioned the fact that our best natural ally within the region is Israel. This is another country where Cyprus can trade with, and develop defence ties. It is also a country which is not scared to flex its muscle, and at present, diplomatic ties between Israel and Turkey are at an all time low. Get to know them, because the RoC's existence may depend on it.

[denizaksulu]

I have been telling everyone that our non existent international diplomacy and Banana Republic antics and rhetoric will land is in very hot water, just like it did in 1967 and 15 Jul 74 which then led to the invasion.

If Cyprus is part of the EU, then it should behave like an EU member and apply to join the Partnership for Peace (PfP), and then perhaps make it clear that it wants to join NATO, even if Turkey will veto against this. This will send a very clear message to the US and other allies that Cyprus can be trusted. There needs to be some rapprochement between Cyprus and very vital countries to our interests, and not bash those that hold the key to our resurrection, because we are going to get done over again and again.

Bashing the US is not your answer... As grotesque as it may seem to many of you, the RoC President needs to make Obama his new best friend, and abandon those fantasies of an "anti imperialist" stand from such like as Cuba, Iran and Syria.

Cyprus has many friends in the US and other countries like it, but at times, even they just shy away from sheer frustration.

As countries move into the 21st century, our politicians still remain in the 60s and 70s.

I also mentioned the fact that our best natural ally within the region is Israel. This is another country where Cyprus can trade with, and develop defence ties. It is also a country which is not scared to flex its muscle, and at present, diplomatic ties between Israel and Turkey are at an all time low. Get to know them, because the RoC's existence may depend on it.

I disagree Paphitis. If it came for Turkey to choose between the RoC and Israel, Turkey would immediately strive to improve its relationship with Israel. I have no doubt who Israel will take notice of. Cyprus has too little to offer.IMO

[Paphitis]

I have been telling everyone that our non existent international diplomacy and Banana Republic antics and rhetoric will land is in very hot water, just like it did in 1967 and 15 Jul 74 which then led to the invasion.

If Cyprus is part of the EU, then it should behave like an EU member and apply to join the Partnership for Peace (PfP), and then perhaps make it clear that it wants to join NATO, even if Turkey will veto against this. This will send a very clear message to the US and other allies that Cyprus can be trusted. There needs to be some rapprochement between Cyprus and very vital countries to our interests, and not bash those that hold the key to our resurrection, because we are going to get done over again and again.

Bashing the US is not your answer... As grotesque as it may seem to many of you, the RoC President needs to make Obama his new best friend, and abandon those fantasies of an "anti imperialist" stand from such like as Cuba, Iran and Syria.

Cyprus has many friends in the US and other countries like it, but at times, even they just shy away from sheer frustration.

As countries move into the 21st century, our politicians still remain in the 60s and 70s.

I also mentioned the fact that our best natural ally within the region is Israel. This is another country where Cyprus can trade with, and develop defence ties. It is also a country which is not scared to flex its muscle, and at present, diplomatic ties between Israel and Turkey are at an all time low. Get to know them, because the RoC's existence may depend on it.

I disagree Paphitis. If it came for Turkey to choose between the RoC and Israel, Turkey would immediately strive to improve its relationship with Israel. I have no doubt who Israel will take notice of. Cyprus has too little to offer.IMO

Israel does not have many friends in the region. Most of her dependable allies are far away. Therefore, if Cyprus and Israel developed A grade trade and defence relations, then this would be appreciated, because all of a sudden Cyprus has become a reliable ally as compared to every other country in the region which wants to destroy or undermine Israel as perceived by the Israelis themselves.

And Israel is one country which has enormous clout within the entire western world, and can even manipulate US Foreign Policy to some extent.

Also, the Nicosia FIR is very large, and almost extends out towards Kastelorizo (near Rodos), and Cyprus could perhaps allow the IAF to use the FIR for training, instead of being confined within Israel. This would be a big offering, and who knows what the Israeli's might do in return. They will probably start with selling cheap arms, but the biggest bonus is that the 2 will become strong regional allies.

So I believe Cyprus has much to offer Israel, and Israel has much to offer Cyprus (not just arms).

I also believe that Israel is more important to our interests than Greece will ever be.

[denizaksulu]

I have been telling everyone that our non existent international diplomacy and Banana Republic antics and rhetoric will land is in very hot water, just like it did in 1967 and 15 Jul 74 which then led to the invasion.

If Cyprus is part of the EU, then it should behave like an EU member and apply to join the Partnership for Peace (PfP), and then perhaps make it clear that it wants to join NATO, even if Turkey will veto against this. This will send a very clear message to the US and other allies that Cyprus can be trusted. There needs to be some rapprochement between Cyprus and very vital countries to our interests, and not bash those that hold the key to our resurrection, because we are going to get done over again and again.

Bashing the US is not your answer... As grotesque as it may seem to many of you, the RoC President needs to make Obama his new best friend, and abandon those fantasies of an "anti imperialist" stand from such like as Cuba, Iran and Syria.

Cyprus has many friends in the US and other countries like it, but at times, even they just shy away from sheer frustration.

As countries move into the 21st century, our politicians still remain in the 60s and 70s.

I also mentioned the fact that our best natural ally within the region is Israel. This is another country where Cyprus can trade with, and develop defence ties. It is also a country which is not scared to flex its muscle, and at present, diplomatic ties between Israel and Turkey are at an all time low. Get to know them, because the RoC's existence may depend on it.

I disagree Paphitis. If it came for Turkey to choose between the RoC and Israel, Turkey would immediately strive to improve its relationship with Israel. I have no doubt who Israel will take notice of. Cyprus has too little to offer.IMO

Israel does not have many friends in the region. most of her dependable allies are far away. therefore, even if Cyprus and Israel developed A grade trade and defence relations, then this would be appreciated, because all of a sudden Cyprus has become a reliable ally as compared to every other country in the region which wants to destroy or undermine it as perceived by the Israelis themselves.

And Israel is one country which has enormous clout within the entire western world, and can even manipulate US Foreign Policy to some extent.

Also, the Nicosia FIR is very large, and almost extends out towards Kastelorizo (near Rodos), and Cyprus could perhaps allow the IAF to use the FIR for training, instead of being confined within Israel. This would be a big offering, and who knows what the Israeli's might do in return. They will probably start with selling cheap arms, but the biggest bonus is that the 2 will become strong regional allies.

So I believe Cyprus has much to offer Israel, and Israel has much to offer Cyprus.

I also believe that Israel is more important to our interests than Greece will ever be.

Personally (and no evidence) I dont really believe that Israel has stopped its training of its airforce over Turkey. In the end its the USA pulling the strings of both countries. IMO.

[Paphitis]

I have been telling everyone that our non existent international diplomacy and Banana Republic antics and rhetoric will land is in very hot water, just like it did in 1967 and 15 Jul 74 which then led to the invasion.

If Cyprus is part of the EU, then it should behave like an EU member and apply to join the Partnership for Peace (PfP), and then perhaps make it clear that it wants to join NATO, even if Turkey will veto against this. This will send a very clear message to the US and other allies that Cyprus can be trusted. There needs to be some rapprochement between Cyprus and very vital countries to our interests, and not bash those that hold the key to our resurrection, because we are going to get done over again and again.

Bashing the US is not your answer... As grotesque as it may seem to many of you, the RoC President needs to make Obama his new best friend, and abandon those fantasies of an "anti imperialist" stand from such like as Cuba, Iran and Syria.

Cyprus has many friends in the US and other countries like it, but at times, even they just shy away from sheer frustration.

As countries move into the 21st century, our politicians still remain in the 60s and 70s.

I also mentioned the fact that our best natural ally within the region is Israel. This is another country where Cyprus can trade with, and develop defence ties. It is also a country which is not scared to flex its muscle, and at present, diplomatic ties between Israel and Turkey are at an all time low. Get to know them, because the RoC's existence may depend on it.

I disagree Paphitis. If it came for Turkey to choose between the RoC and Israel, Turkey would immediately strive to improve its relationship with Israel. I have no doubt who Israel will take notice of. Cyprus has too little to offer.IMO

Israel does not have many friends in the region. most of her dependable allies are far away. therefore, even if Cyprus and Israel developed A grade trade and defence relations, then this would be appreciated, because all of a sudden Cyprus has become a reliable ally as compared to every other country in the region which wants to destroy or undermine it as perceived by the Israelis themselves.

And Israel is one country which has enormous clout within the entire western world, and can even manipulate US Foreign Policy to some extent.

Also, the Nicosia FIR is very large, and almost extends out towards Kastelorizo (near Rodos), and Cyprus could perhaps allow the IAF to use the FIR for training, instead of being confined within Israel. This would be a big offering, and who knows what the Israeli's might do in return. They will probably start with selling cheap arms, but the biggest bonus is that the 2 will become strong regional allies.

So I believe Cyprus has much to offer Israel, and Israel has much to offer Cyprus.

I also believe that Israel is more important to our interests than Greece will ever be.

Personally (and no evidence) I dont really believe that Israel has stopped its training of its airforce over Turkey. In the end its the USA pulling the strings of both countries. IMO.

Fair enough deniz.

You might find this article (written in October) rather interesting. It describes in detail the rapid deterioration of Turco-Israeli relations.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4330345

But I am not sure as to how the US was able to circumvent this...

[denizaksulu]

Yep, I am aware of the rift, but when it comes to the crunch, lets see what happens.

Thanks