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[Me Ed]

Halil the UN also denounced the Turkish Army for desecrating 550 greek churches and desecrating Christian Gravesites. How many TC complain when the Turkish Army destroys christian churches. Also why does the Turkish dig up christian graves and leave bones sticking out of the ground after smashing tombstones and crosses? I have only met one Turkish Cypriot who found this issue of concern.

Do we have any evidence that its the army that is doing it. I don't think it is the Army's job to look after the cemeteries, however, you need to get about a bit more cause we don't really care which religion the graves belong to, most of us TCs will denounce any grave attacks by any body. You must appreciate however that over in the north, we have a little more urgent concerns to worry about, generally the living. The irony is you guys have stopped worrying about the living in the north but are very concerned about the dead. We should get back to realty every so often, it's good for the soul.

YFred, you have stooped to an all time low with this post by trying deparately to get political gain for those in the north using the desacration of graves.

Absolutely shameful.

[YFred]

Halil the UN also denounced the Turkish Army for desecrating 550 greek churches and desecrating Christian Gravesites. How many TC complain when the Turkish Army destroys christian churches. Also why does the Turkish dig up christian graves and leave bones sticking out of the ground after smashing tombstones and crosses? I have only met one Turkish Cypriot who found this issue of concern.

Do we have any evidence that its the army that is doing it. I don't think it is the Army's job to look after the cemeteries, however, you need to get about a bit more cause we don't really care which religion the graves belong to, most of us TCs will denounce any grave attacks by any body. You must appreciate however that over in the north, we have a little more urgent concerns to worry about, generally the living. The irony is you guys have stopped worrying about the living in the north but are very concerned about the dead. We should get back to realty every so often, it's good for the soul.

YFred, you have stooped to an all time low with this post by trying deparately to get political gain for those in the north using the desacration of graves.

Absolutely shameful.

You just proved it. You are a prime example of the cyprus problem. You care for the dead because they are christian and have no respect for the living because they are muslim.

[Byron]

Another prime example of how the majority can abuse their advantage to brush aside peoples right to practice their religion....GR where are you now?

I don’t agree with the persecution of Islam…(any religion for that matter) if fact at times I feel I’m the only one on the forum who defends them from the west’s maniacal persecution! Where the hell are the TCs to defend them?

I do not think you understand the referendum. There is no law to outlaw muslims in Switzerland to practice their religion. They can continue to pray in existing minarets . All the referendum was about was not to build anymore minarets ! Democratic vote by Swiss nationals.

By the way how many Greek Orthodox churches are still being used in " Occupied Cyprus " from the many hundred that were there in 1974 !

[Me Ed]

Halil the UN also denounced the Turkish Army for desecrating 550 greek churches and desecrating Christian Gravesites. How many TC complain when the Turkish Army destroys christian churches. Also why does the Turkish dig up christian graves and leave bones sticking out of the ground after smashing tombstones and crosses? I have only met one Turkish Cypriot who found this issue of concern.

Do we have any evidence that its the army that is doing it. I don't think it is the Army's job to look after the cemeteries, however, you need to get about a bit more cause we don't really care which religion the graves belong to, most of us TCs will denounce any grave attacks by any body. You must appreciate however that over in the north, we have a little more urgent concerns to worry about, generally the living. The irony is you guys have stopped worrying about the living in the north but are very concerned about the dead. We should get back to realty every so often, it's good for the soul.

YFred, you have stooped to an all time low with this post by trying deparately to get political gain for those in the north using the desacration of graves.

Absolutely shameful.

You just proved it. You are a prime example of the cyprus problem. You care for the dead because they are christian and have no respect for the living because they are muslim.

No YFred, you and all your posts prove that you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

As Cypriots, we should all come together in universal condemnation of these acts of desacration, because if you have no respect for the dead how can you possibly have respect for the living.

Also, going back to this thread, we Cypriots can learn from what's happened in the Switzerland and press for a solution based on religious equality so something like this could never happen in a united Cyprus.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu

There is no point arguing with you as a partitionist. I can never expect for you to be reasonable, but tell us VP, where do you draw the line as to when anything can become law if it's not by a majority rule. Can any individual put a stop to a law being enacted, just because they do not like it, or do you seriously expect 100% approval from all citizens.?

There are about 400,000 Muslims in Switzerland and roughly 90% are non practicing Muslims. Whom ever are protesting this decision are mostly the Swiss liberals and not the majority of the Muslim population since they do not even visit the mosques themselves. I know a Turk within greater family circles here of my girlfriend who is upset because he is someone who prays 5 times a day and is about 70 years old, but majority of the last 2 generations who moved here very young and had families here themselves, they and their children do not fall into this group of protestors, if there are any.!

Classic response from someone who continously biased and is unable to accept that he is not 100% right. You are blowing things out of all propertion because laws normally are for the benefit of all the citizens but on key/sensative issues where one side is being persecuted or put at a disadvantage for ethnic origins or religion they should have the ability to say no hold this is not right.

You know full well that this decision is racist against muslims and thats why it was taken nationally rather than council level, you yourself confirmed this...if all religions are tolerated then places of worship should also be tolerated, the minaret is like the bell tower is used to call people to prayer, if you ban one then you should also ban the other as it would be discriminating against one religion.

Does it matter who attended the protest obvioulsy people felt strongly enough to register and objection to such a racist decision which is a prime example of what the majority can do to crush the minoirty if no safeguards are in place to stop them, if the Swiss are the most democratic god help us with GCs the most racist people in the EU.

Be honest for once and admit that this decision is not entirely correct and leaves a lot to be desired....

A TC/TURK is the same thing according to the “trnc”, are they not in the north.?? I'm talking about a non TC/TURK and according to Halil, non TC/TURK cannot become a police officer even as a "citizen" of the north. Are you calling Halil a liar.?? I'm not talking about migrants but full "citizens of the trnc". Can they apply for any jobs as well as government positions as a non TC/TURKS.???

What is the different between a TC/TURK and a non TC/TURK if they are both citizens of the TRNC...I think yu have misuderstood what Halil is trying to say but as far as I am aware everyone is treated equally if they are a TRNC citizen. There are plenty of examples in both the Government and the police force.

to be a policeman in TRNC ....

a) Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti Türk Vatandası olmak.( Should be citizen of TRNC) and should be Turk

b) 18 yasını tamamlamıs fakat 30 yasını tamamlamamıs olmak.
between 18-30 years old
Üniversite mezunları için 35 yasını tamamlamamıs olmak.(University graduates up to 35.)
c) Mesleğin gerektirdiği iyi ahlak ve karaktere sahip olmak; kumarbazlık,
sarhosluk ve uyusturucu madde kullanımı gibi kötü alıskanlıkları
olmamak.(should have good character)
d) En az lise veya dengi bir okul mezunu olmak.(at least graduate from LYce or equal level)
(Diplomanın aslı veya Eğitim Bakanlığından tasdikli fotokopisi
ibraz edilmelidir)
e) Askerlik hizmetini yerine getirmis olmak.(completed military service)
f) Sıhhatli olmak ve bedeni bakımdan Polis görevlerine uygun olmak.(Healty , bodily to suit police Work)
g) Boy itibarıyle 1.70 cm'den kısa olmamak. Boy ölçüsünün cm olarak
son iki rakamı ile kilosu arasında 1.75 cm’den yukarı olanlarda 15
kg., 1.75 cm’den kısa olanlarda 10 kg.’dan fazla fark olmayacak.
not less than 1.70 .

h) Yapılacak sınavlarda basarılı olmak.(have to pass exams)
i) Karakterine yansıyan herhangi bir suçtan hapis cezasına çarptırılmamıs
olmak,veya affa uğramıs olsalar dahi rüsvet, hırsızlık, dolandırıcılık,
sahtekarlık, irtikap hileli iflas ırza geçme ve benzeri yüz kızartıcı
suçlardan dolayı hüküm giymemis olmak.
j) Bir disiplin suçundan dolayı daha önce kamu görevinden
uzaklastırılmamıs olmak.

he/she shouldn't have any court case from stealing , blackmaling , crooking , smuggle , etc...etc...

http://www.khk.kamunet.net/docs/polis_munhal_1.pdf

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0

Be honest for once and admit that this decision is not entirely correct and leaves a lot to be desired....

It was a pointless vote because the local councils can already reject any permit to build anything they do not want and since only 4 of the 150 mosques have minarets. It also seems that the Muslims did not need them to be part of their place to pray. This is why I say it is a non issue. Was it wise to have such a vote when local councils can prevent such structures from being built, and the answer is NO. That's why I think this is more of a message to Muslim Nations who are not at all tolerant with the Christian Faith in their own countries, so the Swiss just wanted to balance the playing field a little bit, even though all religious groups can practice their religions as before. Nothing has changed. I also believe the Swiss were just being protective of the future of their nations culture and heritage as a whole and not be taken over by Islamic Radicals no matter how remote that may be. Once again, this decision can be reversed with another vote down the road as the case is with all Democracies. No one is being persecuted here and stop making a big deal about it, because it is not.

It clearly means a citizen of the TRNC, stop trying to find something which is not there.

Quite clearly not only you do not comprehend the Turkish language that well, but also the English language that you were born into and have spent your first 30 years of your life in the UK. Here is Halil's quote again. Pay close attention to where it says
“and should be Turk", which is written in English, incase you are not sure.!

a) Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti Türk Vatandası olmak.( Should be citizen of TRNC) and should be Turk

Lets turn this Swiss issue around what if Turkey voted for all church towers to be removed or new ones would not be allowed bell towers, how would you respond would you have the same its not important let it go stance? Once again you have reconfirmed your biased and what little credibility you had has been yet again stamped upon....double standards thats what they call it.

This is a joke, right.? Do you really you want to use Turkey as an example to compare the issues of Racism, Fascism and violations of Human Rights, VP. Do you really want to confirm your credibility as a Racist Fascist for all to see or what.? Have you really thought this one out thoroughly or are you just desperate to try and make a pointless point..?

[Kikapu]

Swiss official hints at reversal of minaret ban

"A top Swiss official said yesterday that voter approval of a ban on minarets next to mosques could be struck down in court, as critics at home and abroad condemned the vote, saying it undermined the country's secular image.

Legal experts have questioned whether the ban on the Islamic minarets, used for the call to prayer, is compatible with Switzerland's constitution and with international human rights law."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 31659.html


Switzerland faces backlash over minaret ban

"Switzerland has faced an international backlash from the Muslim world, Europe and even the Vatican following its vote to ban minarets on mosques."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... t-ban.html

Oh dear dear, VP is going to be upset to hear this because it will put a big damper to his propaganda of scare mongering about Unified Cyprus under true Democracy where he thinks that majority rule is absolute and that it can violate anyone's Constitutional, Democratic and Human Rights without being challenged in the courts.!

[Get Real!]

Swiss official hints at reversal of minaret ban

"A top Swiss official said yesterday that voter approval of a ban on minarets next to mosques could be struck down in court, as critics at home and abroad condemned the vote, saying it undermined the country's secular image.

Legal experts have questioned whether the ban on the Islamic minarets, used for the call to prayer, is compatible with Switzerland's constitution and with international human rights law."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 31659.html


Switzerland faces backlash over minaret ban

"Switzerland has faced an international backlash from the Muslim world, Europe and even the Vatican following its vote to ban minarets on mosques."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... t-ban.html

Oh dear dear, VP is going to be upset to hear this because it will put a big damper to his propaganda of scare mongering about Unified Cyprus under true Democracy where he thinks that majority rule is absolute and that it can violate anyone's Constitutional, Democratic and Human Rights without being challenged in the courts.!

I had a gut feeling that it may well turn out to be unconstitutional but knowing next to nothing about the Swiss system I kept my mouth shut!

[denizaksulu]

Swiss official hints at reversal of minaret ban

"A top Swiss official said yesterday that voter approval of a ban on minarets next to mosques could be struck down in court, as critics at home and abroad condemned the vote, saying it undermined the country's secular image.

Legal experts have questioned whether the ban on the Islamic minarets, used for the call to prayer, is compatible with Switzerland's constitution and with international human rights law."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 31659.html


Switzerland faces backlash over minaret ban

"Switzerland has faced an international backlash from the Muslim world, Europe and even the Vatican following its vote to ban minarets on mosques."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... t-ban.html

Oh dear dear, VP is going to be upset to hear this because it will put a big damper to his propaganda of scare mongering about Unified Cyprus under true Democracy where he thinks that majority rule is absolute and that it can violate anyone's Constitutional, Democratic and Human Rights without being challenged in the courts.!

I had a gut feeling that it may well turn out to be unconstitutional but knowing next to nothing about the Swiss system I kept my mouth shut!

Why GR, that is a brilliant idea. you should do it more often.

[YFred]

Swiss official hints at reversal of minaret ban

"A top Swiss official said yesterday that voter approval of a ban on minarets next to mosques could be struck down in court, as critics at home and abroad condemned the vote, saying it undermined the country's secular image.

Legal experts have questioned whether the ban on the Islamic minarets, used for the call to prayer, is compatible with Switzerland's constitution and with international human rights law."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 31659.html


Switzerland faces backlash over minaret ban

"Switzerland has faced an international backlash from the Muslim world, Europe and even the Vatican following its vote to ban minarets on mosques."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... t-ban.html

Oh dear dear, VP is going to be upset to hear this because it will put a big damper to his propaganda of scare mongering about Unified Cyprus under true Democracy where he thinks that majority rule is absolute and that it can violate anyone's Constitutional, Democratic and Human Rights without being challenged in the courts.!

I had a gut feeling that it may well turn out to be unconstitutional but knowing next to nothing about the Swiss system I kept my mouth shut!

Why GR, that is a brilliant idea. you should do it more often.

There is only one sure way and that is to stuff a Swiss roll in his mouth. That'll shut him up.

[Kikapu]

Swiss official hints at reversal of minaret ban

"A top Swiss official said yesterday that voter approval of a ban on minarets next to mosques could be struck down in court, as critics at home and abroad condemned the vote, saying it undermined the country's secular image.

Legal experts have questioned whether the ban on the Islamic minarets, used for the call to prayer, is compatible with Switzerland's constitution and with international human rights law."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 31659.html


Switzerland faces backlash over minaret ban

"Switzerland has faced an international backlash from the Muslim world, Europe and even the Vatican following its vote to ban minarets on mosques."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... t-ban.html

Oh dear dear, VP is going to be upset to hear this because it will put a big damper to his propaganda of scare mongering about Unified Cyprus under true Democracy where he thinks that majority rule is absolute and that it can violate anyone's Constitutional, Democratic and Human Rights without being challenged in the courts.!

I had a gut feeling that it may well turn out to be unconstitutional but knowing next to nothing about the Swiss system I kept my mouth shut!

This is the normal practice in all True Democratic countries, GR, as you well know, but VP is part of a corrupt system in the north where no such Democratic system exists but rather where Democratic and Human Rights are violated at all times. I tried to explain this to him from my first post on this thread, but as a true Propagandist that he is in support of non Democratic means and a champion in violating others Human Rights due to his Racist and Fascistic views, he tries to BS everyone about the "dangers" of Democracy and the Rule of Law. It is obvious that he is not use to what is the norm in the west where everything is challengeable in the ballot box and the courts when anyone’s Constitutional, Democratic and Human Rights are violated. But once again, VP has shown everyone why he is not fit to be part of Unified Cyprus under True Democracy, because he has for too long been used to living in a corrupted society and he likes it, just because he personally benefits from it.!