by yialousa1971 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:23 pm
"The minaret is a sign of political power and demand, comparable with whole-body covering by the burqa, tolerance of forced marriage and genital mutilation of girls," the sponsors said. They noted that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has compared mosques to Islam's military barracks and called "the minarets our bayonets."
by Kikapu » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:34 pm
Viewpoint wrote:Viewpoint wrote:Kikapu wrote:Viewpoint wrote:Another prime example of how the majority can abuse their advantage to brush aside peoples right to practice their religion....GR where are you now?
Lets not exaggerate, VP, because no one is denied their right to practice their religion in Switzerland. There are about 150 mosques and other places to pray for the Muslims in this country, and as it was pointed out earlier, only 4 of these structures have a minaret with 2 more requested to be built. This initiative is not a ban on religion of the Muslim faith, or building more mosques. It is purely to prevent the building of minarets. There is already a ban on service given from minarets because the Swiss no not want one religion pushing their beliefs on others with a megaphone into the silent air to disturb the peace 5 times a day. The Muslims in this country will not be bothered, since 90% are not the worshiping kind, most being from Kosovo and from Turkey.
I really blame the Muslims world for what the Swiss did yesterday. The Muslim countries are not at all accommodating to the needs of the Christians from the west what so ever in their countries but cry foul when ever other countries want to protect their own cultures, so perhaps this can be a wake up call for them to be more open to other peoples religious beliefs and needs. To me the whole thing is a non issue, because
a) Muslims can very happily pray at a mosque without minarets
b) They have been for very long time since there are only 4 mosques with minarets, so where is the issue.
c) With only 4 minaret’s in the whole country, where is the issue with the Swiss, other than they do not want their landscape to become full of minaret’s in the future since the wheels of religion moves very slowly, so they are perhaps looking way into the future of hundreds of years and want to put a stop to it right now. Look how much "alive and well" Jesus Christ is doing 2,000+ years after his death.! If many more minarets were to be built, the next issue would be when the Imams would want to pray from the minaret’s 5 times a day, which would become a worse issue at later stage than putting stop to the minarets in the first place. Again, this is not a very big issue for the Muslims in this country, but only to the Muslim countries who want to make an issue of nothing, and given the fact they are the worse offenders of others religious rights, all they are doing is blowing hot air.
I have also told you that in a True Democracy, everything can be challenged, so be careful what you want for a settlement for the TCs, because if it's unreasonable, it will be challenged in the ballot box and the courts.
Kikapu again you show your biased and one sided views, if you support such an act then why dont we take down all the crosses out side churches or remove the bells from church towers becuase they force religion on others, your arguement is lame and you know it, for once do the right thing and admit they are wrong. This very clear example is how "democracy" can fuck over a minority, these are clear signs of how it would be in a united Cyprus where there are no safeguards when you also take into account that GCs are the most racists in the EU. The dangers are clear whether you choose to ignore them is your problem not ours, we will demands safeguards so that we can stop such decisions.
by Get Real! » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:35 pm
verywitty wrote:Racist? Arent you the one who considers yourself a greater race compared to Turkish people?
And I am not islamophobic, I am religiophobic. Religions haven't done anything good for mankind, they are there to divide people and then make them fight against each other. Different religion is also a strong reason why some of us don't want to live with Turkish-Cypriots
by Viewpoint » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:35 am
Kikapu wrote:Viewpoint wrote:Viewpoint wrote:Kikapu wrote:Viewpoint wrote:Another prime example of how the majority can abuse their advantage to brush aside peoples right to practice their religion....GR where are you now?
Lets not exaggerate, VP, because no one is denied their right to practice their religion in Switzerland. There are about 150 mosques and other places to pray for the Muslims in this country, and as it was pointed out earlier, only 4 of these structures have a minaret with 2 more requested to be built. This initiative is not a ban on religion of the Muslim faith, or building more mosques. It is purely to prevent the building of minarets. There is already a ban on service given from minarets because the Swiss no not want one religion pushing their beliefs on others with a megaphone into the silent air to disturb the peace 5 times a day. The Muslims in this country will not be bothered, since 90% are not the worshiping kind, most being from Kosovo and from Turkey.
I really blame the Muslims world for what the Swiss did yesterday. The Muslim countries are not at all accommodating to the needs of the Christians from the west what so ever in their countries but cry foul when ever other countries want to protect their own cultures, so perhaps this can be a wake up call for them to be more open to other peoples religious beliefs and needs. To me the whole thing is a non issue, because
a) Muslims can very happily pray at a mosque without minarets
b) They have been for very long time since there are only 4 mosques with minarets, so where is the issue.
c) With only 4 minaret’s in the whole country, where is the issue with the Swiss, other than they do not want their landscape to become full of minaret’s in the future since the wheels of religion moves very slowly, so they are perhaps looking way into the future of hundreds of years and want to put a stop to it right now. Look how much "alive and well" Jesus Christ is doing 2,000+ years after his death.! If many more minarets were to be built, the next issue would be when the Imams would want to pray from the minaret’s 5 times a day, which would become a worse issue at later stage than putting stop to the minarets in the first place. Again, this is not a very big issue for the Muslims in this country, but only to the Muslim countries who want to make an issue of nothing, and given the fact they are the worse offenders of others religious rights, all they are doing is blowing hot air.
I have also told you that in a True Democracy, everything can be challenged, so be careful what you want for a settlement for the TCs, because if it's unreasonable, it will be challenged in the ballot box and the courts.
Kikapu again you show your biased and one sided views, if you support such an act then why dont we take down all the crosses out side churches or remove the bells from church towers becuase they force religion on others, your arguement is lame and you know it, for once do the right thing and admit they are wrong. This very clear example is how "democracy" can fuck over a minority, these are clear signs of how it would be in a united Cyprus where there are no safeguards when you also take into account that GCs are the most racists in the EU. The dangers are clear whether you choose to ignore them is your problem not ours, we will demands safeguards so that we can stop such decisions.
This is their country and culture after all and the church towers and bells have been here way before immigrants came, although there are also regulation on how often church bells can ring and when but once again you are changing the subject, because I did not say that the minarets will be used to force the Muslim faith on others by themselves, but rather the minarets may be used in the future by the Imams to broadcast their preaching all over the place that will be forcing their religion on others. Now don't make me repeat this again because you deliberately miss quoting me or you really do not comprehend what it is that you read at times. TCs are in Cyprus as Cypriots and their culture and religion must and will be protected along with the GCs and all Cypriot citizens, so put them in the constitution. You cannot have a blanket veto to stop Democratic means, just because VP does not like something. I gave you all the protections each state has and what it would take to amend the constitution with an active role of each state and it's citizens. So far you have refused such good measures. Perhaps Talat has a better one.? We will see soon.!
by Oracle » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:48 am
Viewpoint wrote:Should all countries have the right to ban other religious artifacts or buildings on the basis that they may be used to force religion on one another (this is Kikapus mindset)and because that religion wa sintroduced into the given country at a later date?
by YFred » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:49 am
by Viewpoint » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:56 am
YFred wrote:VP, I would be inclined to join this idea of banning the minarets and the call to prayer. After all this was practiced in a time when people did not have watches. There is no real need for them any more. Every time I am in Lurucina, and that damn Imam begins his singing so early in the morning and so loud, makes me jump out of my skin. Is that really necessary in today's environment.
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