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[verywitty]

Islam is no question the worst of all religions. In an ideal world all churches would be demolished to make room for, i don't know, useful things like houses etc. BUT! Seeing how "peaceful" religion this is, is it really a good idea? I would rather do something insignificant as allowing minarets than seeing a kindergarten blown up because god told them its a good idea.

[Get Real!]

Islam is no question the worst of all religions. In an ideal world all churches would be demolished to make room for, i don't know, useful things like houses etc. BUT! Seeing how "peaceful" religion this is, is it really a good idea? I would rather do something insignificant as allowing minarets than seeing a kindergarten blown up because god told them its a good idea.

Better change your alias to something more apt like “very racist” or “very islamophobic” or “very boring”.

[Kikapu]

Another prime example of how the majority can abuse their advantage to brush aside peoples right to practice their religion....GR where are you now?

Lets not exaggerate, VP, because no one is denied their right to practice their religion in Switzerland. There are about 150 mosques and other places to pray for the Muslims in this country, and as it was pointed out earlier, only 4 of these structures have a minaret with 2 more requested to be built. This initiative is not a ban on religion of the Muslim faith, or building more mosques. It is purely to prevent the building of minarets. There is already a ban on service given from minarets because the Swiss no not want one religion pushing their beliefs on others with a megaphone into the silent air to disturb the peace 5 times a day. The Muslims in this country will not be bothered, since 90% are not the worshiping kind, most being from Kosovo and from Turkey.

I really blame the Muslims world for what the Swiss did yesterday. The Muslim countries are not at all accommodating to the needs of the Christians from the west what so ever in their countries but cry foul when ever other countries want to protect their own cultures, so perhaps this can be a wake up call for them to be more open to other peoples religious beliefs and needs. To me the whole thing is a non issue, because

a) Muslims can very happily pray at a mosque without minarets

b) They have been for very long time since there are only 4 mosques with minarets, so where is the issue.

c) With only 4 minaret’s in the whole country, where is the issue with the Swiss, other than they do not want their landscape to become full of minaret’s in the future since the wheels of religion moves very slowly, so they are perhaps looking way into the future of hundreds of years and want to put a stop to it right now. Look how much "alive and well" Jesus Christ is doing 2,000+ years after his death.! If many more minarets were to be built, the next issue would be when the Imams would want to pray from the minaret’s 5 times a day, which would become a worse issue at later stage than putting stop to the minarets in the first place. Again, this is not a very big issue for the Muslims in this country, but only to the Muslim countries who want to make an issue of nothing, and given the fact they are the worse offenders of others religious rights, all they are doing is blowing hot air.

I have also told you that in a True Democracy, everything can be challenged, so be careful what you want for a settlement for the TCs, because if it's unreasonable, it will be challenged in the ballot box and the courts.

[B25]

Another prime example of how the majority can abuse their advantage to brush aside peoples right to practice their religion....GR where are you now?

I don’t agree with the persecution of Islam…(any religion for that matter) if fact at times I feel I’m the only one on the forum who defends them from the west’s maniacal persecution! Where the hell are the TCs to defend them?

I wasn't looking to ursecute anyone and I won't want to stop anyone practicing their chosen religion.

It was meant as an example to people like VP who would deny the pilgrimage of Ay. Mamas without so much as a protest, but when it is her own you hear all the excuses.

Just typical of the TC mentality, whats mine is mine, whats yours is mine too!

[verywitty]

Racist? Arent you the one who considers yourself a greater race compared to Turkish people?
And I am not islamophobic, I am religiophobic. Religions haven't done anything good for mankind, they are there to divide people and then make them fight against each other. Different religion is also a strong reason why some of us don't want to live with Turkish-Cypriots

[Viewpoint]

Another prime example of how the majority can abuse their advantage to brush aside peoples right to practice their religion....GR where are you now?

There are many mosques in the UK with no minaret. You should see them on Fridays...and the traffic jams caused by the mosque goers. No one is stopping them practicing their religion.

What has the UK got to do with his subject and how this example brings home the reality of the majority can ban many things that will effect a certain portion of their populaiton?

[Viewpoint]

Another prime example of how the majority can abuse their advantage to brush aside peoples right to practice their religion....GR where are you now?

Lets not exaggerate, VP, because no one is denied their right to practice their religion in Switzerland. There are about 150 mosques and other places to pray for the Muslims in this country, and as it was pointed out earlier, only 4 of these structures have a minaret with 2 more requested to be built. This initiative is not a ban on religion of the Muslim faith, or building more mosques. It is purely to prevent the building of minarets. There is already a ban on service given from minarets because the Swiss no not want one religion pushing their beliefs on others with a megaphone into the silent air to disturb the peace 5 times a day. The Muslims in this country will not be bothered, since 90% are not the worshiping kind, most being from Kosovo and from Turkey.

I really blame the Muslims world for what the Swiss did yesterday. The Muslim countries are not at all accommodating to the needs of the Christians from the west what so ever in their countries but cry foul when ever other countries want to protect their own cultures, so perhaps this can be a wake up call for them to be more open to other peoples religious beliefs and needs. To me the whole thing is a non issue, because

a) Muslims can very happily pray at a mosque without minarets

b) They have been for very long time since there are only 4 mosques with minarets, so where is the issue.

c) With only 4 minaret’s in the whole country, where is the issue with the Swiss, other than they do not want their landscape to become full of minaret’s in the future since the wheels of religion moves very slowly, so they are perhaps looking way into the future of hundreds of years and want to put a stop to it right now. Look how much "alive and well" Jesus Christ is doing 2,000+ years after his death.! If many more minarets were to be built, the next issue would be when the Imams would want to pray from the minaret’s 5 times a day, which would become a worse issue at later stage than putting stop to the minarets in the first place. Again, this is not a very big issue for the Muslims in this country, but only to the Muslim countries who want to make an issue of nothing, and given the fact they are the worse offenders of others religious rights, all they are doing is blowing hot air.

I have also told you that in a True Democracy, everything can be challenged, so be careful what you want for a settlement for the TCs, because if it's unreasonable, it will be challenged in the ballot box and the courts.

Kikapu again you show your biased and one sided views, if you support such an act then why dont we take down all the crosses out side churches or remove the bells from church towers becuase they force religion on others, your arguement is lame and you know it, for once do the right thing and admit they are wrong. This very clear example is how "democracy" can fuck over a minority, these are clear signs of how it would be in a united Cyprus where there are no safeguards when you also take into account that GCs are the most racists in the EU. The dangers are clear whether you choose to ignore them is your problem not ours, we will demands safeguards so that we can stop such decisions.

[Viewpoint]

Another prime example of how the majority can abuse their advantage to brush aside peoples right to practice their religion....GR where are you now?

I don’t agree with the persecution of Islam…(any religion for that matter) if fact at times I feel I’m the only one on the forum who defends them from the west’s maniacal persecution! Where the hell are the TCs to defend them?

I wasn't looking to ursecute anyone and I won't want to stop anyone practicing their chosen religion.

It was meant as an example to people like VP who would deny the pilgrimage of Ay. Mamas without so much as a protest, but when it is her own you hear all the excuses.

Just typical of the TC mentality, whats mine is mine, whats yours is mine too!

How do you know we support our government on that issue? I do not and think they are free to travel north to Pilgrimage as long as they show their ids to avoid any unwanteds getting through.

[Kikapu]

Another prime example of how the majority can abuse their advantage to brush aside peoples right to practice their religion....GR where are you now?

There are many mosques in the UK with no minaret. You should see them on Fridays...and the traffic jams caused by the mosque goers. No one is stopping them practicing their religion.

What has the UK got to do with his subject and how this example brings home the reality of the majority can ban many things that will effect a certain portion of their populaiton?

This is why the biggest and the best safeguard for all citizens is a well drafted constitution on the Federal and state level for Cyprus under BBF. The Swiss constitution did not have minarets as a protection but freedom of practicing religion is protected and no one has been denied their religious rights, so stop your pointless whining about majority rule, because that is the corner stone of True Democracy as well as anyone challenging anything and everything in the ballot box and the courts.

[Viewpoint]

Another prime example of how the majority can abuse their advantage to brush aside peoples right to practice their religion....GR where are you now?

Lets not exaggerate, VP, because no one is denied their right to practice their religion in Switzerland. There are about 150 mosques and other places to pray for the Muslims in this country, and as it was pointed out earlier, only 4 of these structures have a minaret with 2 more requested to be built. This initiative is not a ban on religion of the Muslim faith, or building more mosques. It is purely to prevent the building of minarets. There is already a ban on service given from minarets because the Swiss no not want one religion pushing their beliefs on others with a megaphone into the silent air to disturb the peace 5 times a day. The Muslims in this country will not be bothered, since 90% are not the worshiping kind, most being from Kosovo and from Turkey.

I really blame the Muslims world for what the Swiss did yesterday. The Muslim countries are not at all accommodating to the needs of the Christians from the west what so ever in their countries but cry foul when ever other countries want to protect their own cultures, so perhaps this can be a wake up call for them to be more open to other peoples religious beliefs and needs. To me the whole thing is a non issue, because

a) Muslims can very happily pray at a mosque without minarets

b) They have been for very long time since there are only 4 mosques with minarets, so where is the issue.

c) With only 4 minaret’s in the whole country, where is the issue with the Swiss, other than they do not want their landscape to become full of minaret’s in the future since the wheels of religion moves very slowly, so they are perhaps looking way into the future of hundreds of years and want to put a stop to it right now. Look how much "alive and well" Jesus Christ is doing 2,000+ years after his death.! If many more minarets were to be built, the next issue would be when the Imams would want to pray from the minaret’s 5 times a day, which would become a worse issue at later stage than putting stop to the minarets in the first place. Again, this is not a very big issue for the Muslims in this country, but only to the Muslim countries who want to make an issue of nothing, and given the fact they are the worse offenders of others religious rights, all they are doing is blowing hot air.

I have also told you that in a True Democracy, everything can be challenged, so be careful what you want for a settlement for the TCs, because if it's unreasonable, it will be challenged in the ballot box and the courts.

Kikapu again you show your biased and one sided views, if you support such an act then why dont we take down all the crosses out side churches or remove the bells from church towers becuase they force religion on others, your arguement is lame and you know it, for once do the right thing and admit they are wrong. This very clear example is how "democracy" can fuck over a minority, these are clear signs of how it would be in a united Cyprus where there are no safeguards when you also take into account that GCs are the most racists in the EU. The dangers are clear whether you choose to ignore them is your problem not ours, we will demands safeguards so that we can stop such decisions.