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[YFred]

Where was your True democracy when we were forced into enclaves and the untouchables were given a free reign to cause mayhem.

So what's stopping you from taking the TMT to the ECHR?

Because it was not the TMT who was pointing the gun at me, it was your brave eoka, surrounded us from all sides. You forget I was there between 63 and 72. I didn't see any TMT guns pointing at me old chap. It was always those ugly roc police and gavur soldiers.

[Get Real!]

Where was your True democracy when we were forced into enclaves and the untouchables were given a free reign to cause mayhem.

So what's stopping you from taking the TMT to the ECHR?

Because it was not the TMT who was pointing the gun at me, it was your brave eoka, surrounded us from all sides. You forget I was there between 63 and 72. I didn't see any TMT guns pointing at me old chap. It was always those ugly roc police and gavur soldiers.

Bombs away Y-Fronts...

On the 7th of June 1958, the Turkish Consulate Press Office was bombed; however, it was not bombed by EOKA. It was bombed by TMT. Either unaware Turkish Cypriots or TMT agents rioted and Greek Cypriots were expelled from a mixed district in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriot nationalist extremists then turned over or torched the evacuated Greek Cypriot homes.

Lots of Turkish Cypriots fled from mixed or isolated villages. According to Nancy Crawshaw, Turkish Cypriot nationalist extremists were responsible for most of the hundreds of individual arson attacks against homes and religious sites, but according to Keith Kyle, '[m]any Turkish [Cypriot] villages were burned' wholly.

On the 25th of March 1962, TMT bombed Bayraktar Mosque and Ömeriye Mosque, then murdered Ayhan Hikmet and Muzaffer Gürkan when they revealed that TMT were responsible. They bombed Bayraktar Mosque again on the 23rd of January 1963, and it was probably TMT who bombed Ömeriye Mosque again on the 30th of May.

http://human-rights-archaeology.blogspo ... -1963.html

[bill cobbett]

Where was your True democracy when we were forced into enclaves and the untouchables were given a free reign to cause mayhem.

So what's stopping you from taking the TMT to the ECHR?

Because it was not the TMT who was pointing the gun at me, it was your brave eoka, surrounded us from all sides. You forget I was there between 63 and 72. I didn't see any TMT guns pointing at me old chap. It was always those ugly roc police and gavur soldiers.

Bombs away Y-Fronts...

On the 7th of June 1958, the Turkish Consulate Press Office was bombed; however, it was not bombed by EOKA. It was bombed by TMT. Either unaware Turkish Cypriots or TMT agents rioted and Greek Cypriots were expelled from a mixed district in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriot nationalist extremists then turned over or torched the evacuated Greek Cypriot homes.

Lots of Turkish Cypriots fled from mixed or isolated villages. According to Nancy Crawshaw, Turkish Cypriot nationalist extremists were responsible for most of the hundreds of individual arson attacks against homes and religious sites, but according to Keith Kyle, '[m]any Turkish [Cypriot] villages were burned' wholly.

On the 25th of March 1962, TMT bombed Bayraktar Mosque and Ömeriye Mosque, then murdered Ayhan Hikmet and Muzaffer Gürkan when they revealed that TMT were responsible. They bombed Bayraktar Mosque again on the 23rd of January 1963, and it was probably TMT who bombed Ömeriye Mosque again on the 30th of May.

http://human-rights-archaeology.blogspo ... -1963.html

There is only one conclusion from the above, only one argument that is consistent with the known facts, as came out subsequently, and starting with the false flag bombing of the Turkish press office in '58, through the flase flag bombings of the mosques and the murders of tissy trade unionists and journalists on the streets of Limassol. All of these actions carried out by the TMT and various other "friends" of Rough Donktosh" to raise fears and tensions, to destabilise and put the blame on the other side.

Has to be said it was regretfully a clever and successful series of operations doing so much to fuel the inter-communal conflict and with it no need for the TMT to point guns directly at the tissies to "force them into enclaves", all they needed to do was create a climate of fear, to turn on the initial conditions for conflict, the TMT knew the response their secretive, underhanded actions would generate.

[Viewpoint]

Swiss official hints at reversal of minaret ban

"A top Swiss official said yesterday that voter approval of a ban on minarets next to mosques could be struck down in court, as critics at home and abroad condemned the vote, saying it undermined the country's secular image.

Legal experts have questioned whether the ban on the Islamic minarets, used for the call to prayer, is compatible with Switzerland's constitution and with international human rights law."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 31659.html


Switzerland faces backlash over minaret ban

"Switzerland has faced an international backlash from the Muslim world, Europe and even the Vatican following its vote to ban minarets on mosques."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... t-ban.html

Oh dear dear, VP is going to be upset to hear this because it will put a big damper to his propaganda of scare mongering about Unified Cyprus under true Democracy where he thinks that majority rule is absolute and that it can violate anyone's Constitutional, Democratic and Human Rights without being challenged in the courts.!

Twist and squirm as much you like Kikapu, GRs post proves me right and you totally wrong. The Swiss have made a racists mistake and need to correct it immediately.

[Kikapu]

Swiss official hints at reversal of minaret ban

"A top Swiss official said yesterday that voter approval of a ban on minarets next to mosques could be struck down in court, as critics at home and abroad condemned the vote, saying it undermined the country's secular image.

Legal experts have questioned whether the ban on the Islamic minarets, used for the call to prayer, is compatible with Switzerland's constitution and with international human rights law."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 31659.html


Switzerland faces backlash over minaret ban

"Switzerland has faced an international backlash from the Muslim world, Europe and even the Vatican following its vote to ban minarets on mosques."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... t-ban.html

Oh dear dear, VP is going to be upset to hear this because it will put a big damper to his propaganda of scare mongering about Unified Cyprus under true Democracy where he thinks that majority rule is absolute and that it can violate anyone's Constitutional, Democratic and Human Rights without being challenged in the courts.!

Twist and squirm as much you like Kikapu, GRs post proves me right and you totally wrong. The Swiss have made a racists mistake and need to correct it immediately.

The only thing it has been proven, is that there are checks and balances in True Democracy where anything and everything can be challenged in the ballot box and in the courts, so I don't want to hear anymore of your scare mongering about majority rule in a True Democracy being detrimental to numerical minority citizens of a country, because if the majority rules is in violation of anyone's Constitutional, Democratic and Human Rights, it will end up in the courts. That's the only safeguards you will need as I have been trying to educate you on this for a very long time. Now you have seen it for yourself how True Democracy works and not the crap you want to sell everyone which violates everyone's rights. I hope this has been a learning experience for you to have faith in True Democracy where what the majority does isn't always absolute but can and will be challenged, if they have in fact vote in violation of the above principle in a Unified Cyprus.!

As to what the outcome of the court results will be in Switzerland, we will have to wait and see what the court says and not you.!

[SKI-preo]

Erdogan recited poetry like this :

"My minaret is my bayonet"
talat is my marionette,
Eroglu is my furry little pet
and he needs to take his mum to the vet

[miltiades]

Here is an article that appears in the Times today , by Dr Taj Hargey the chairman of the Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford and the imam of the Summertown Islamic Congregation in Oxford , commenting on Switzerland's recent referendum on minarets.
It makes a great deal of sense and European Muslims ought to take notice.



""Switzerland’s referendum vote to ban minarets is needlessly xenophobic but it does not infringe the religious liberty of Swiss Muslims. Minarets remain emblematic of mosques in the Muslim heartlands but there is no theological reason why houses of worship in the West have to incorporate such towers.

Their original purpose was to relay the prayer call with the unamplified voice. Today this is done by modern technology, so minarets are not integral to contemporary mosque design. European mosques should stop mindlessly mimicking Eastern design and create prayer halls that blend into the landscape.

Muslims who have settled in Switzerland (and elsewhere in Europe) should not confuse culture with creed. To become integrated into their surroundings, they must relinquish the cultural baggage of their ancestral homelands. They should practice a Swiss Islam that is rooted in the society in which they live.

Although the Swiss have been convinced by right-wing zealots that minarets are a problem, local Muslims should not embrace a victim mentality. They must confront the toxic radicalisation of their faith that is imported from overseas.
The Wahhabi denomination (and its kindred sects), which has unlimited petrodollars and exclusive jurisdiction over Islam’s holiest mosques, engenders rampant misogyny, anti-democratic obscurantism and an archaic legal code, which includes an un-Koranic prohibition on non-Muslim religious buildings in Islamic lands. Switzerland now joins Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan in banning the buildings of non-dominant faiths.

When European Muslims unthinkingly endorse this warped theology by desiring medieval Sharia, defending honour killings, stoning to death, forced marriages, Muslim exceptionalism and a separatist society, they only invoke fear and exacerbate anti-Muslim sentiment. When Europe’s Muslims extol such un-Koranic doctrines as the niqab (face veil), they exclude themselves from the mainstream.

Only when Muslim immigrants and converts in Europe reject the twisted ideology of a fundamentalist male clergy will the chief causes of anti-Muslim prejudice in Europe recede. Meanwhile, despite the Islamophobic minaret ban, the religious rights of Swiss Muslims remain intact. They do, however, have a rare opportunity to cut the link with the dominant theology of the East and to restore Islam’s pristine beliefs.

Dr Taj Hargey is the chairman of the Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford and the imam of the Summertown Islamic Congregation in Oxford

[YFred]

Where was your True democracy when we were forced into enclaves and the untouchables were given a free reign to cause mayhem.

So what's stopping you from taking the TMT to the ECHR?

Because it was not the TMT who was pointing the gun at me, it was your brave eoka, surrounded us from all sides. You forget I was there between 63 and 72. I didn't see any TMT guns pointing at me old chap. It was always those ugly roc police and gavur soldiers.

Bombs away Y-Fronts...

On the 7th of June 1958, the Turkish Consulate Press Office was bombed; however, it was not bombed by EOKA. It was bombed by TMT. Either unaware Turkish Cypriots or TMT agents rioted and Greek Cypriots were expelled from a mixed district in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriot nationalist extremists then turned over or torched the evacuated Greek Cypriot homes.

Lots of Turkish Cypriots fled from mixed or isolated villages. According to Nancy Crawshaw, Turkish Cypriot nationalist extremists were responsible for most of the hundreds of individual arson attacks against homes and religious sites, but according to Keith Kyle, '[m]any Turkish [Cypriot] villages were burned' wholly.

On the 25th of March 1962, TMT bombed Bayraktar Mosque and Ömeriye Mosque, then murdered Ayhan Hikmet and Muzaffer Gürkan when they revealed that TMT were responsible. They bombed Bayraktar Mosque again on the 23rd of January 1963, and it was probably TMT who bombed Ömeriye Mosque again on the 30th of May.

http://human-rights-archaeology.blogspo ... -1963.html

But, you don't mention anything about what your untouchables did at the same time frame. Once an eshek always an eshek.
I like the word probably used in your quotes. Your accuracy leaves a lot to be desired. Strange you also don't mention the bombs that eoka put to on the statue of your eoka leader, what was his name? Dragulli? to put the fear of god into GCs. There me thinking you were finally waking up from your slumber. Continue with your dream that you live in, cause six months time you will wake up to your worst nightmare.

[denizaksulu]

Where was your True democracy when we were forced into enclaves and the untouchables were given a free reign to cause mayhem.

So what's stopping you from taking the TMT to the ECHR?

Because it was not the TMT who was pointing the gun at me, it was your brave eoka, surrounded us from all sides. You forget I was there between 63 and 72. I didn't see any TMT guns pointing at me old chap. It was always those ugly roc police and gavur soldiers.

Bombs away Y-Fronts...

On the 7th of June 1958, the Turkish Consulate Press Office was bombed; however, it was not bombed by EOKA. It was bombed by TMT. Either unaware Turkish Cypriots or TMT agents rioted and Greek Cypriots were expelled from a mixed district in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriot nationalist extremists then turned over or torched the evacuated Greek Cypriot homes.

Lots of Turkish Cypriots fled from mixed or isolated villages. According to Nancy Crawshaw, Turkish Cypriot nationalist extremists were responsible for most of the hundreds of individual arson attacks against homes and religious sites, but according to Keith Kyle, '[m]any Turkish [Cypriot] villages were burned' wholly.

On the 25th of March 1962, TMT bombed Bayraktar Mosque and Ömeriye Mosque, then murdered Ayhan Hikmet and Muzaffer Gürkan when they revealed that TMT were responsible. They bombed Bayraktar Mosque again on the 23rd of January 1963, and it was probably TMT who bombed Ömeriye Mosque again on the 30th of May.

http://human-rights-archaeology.blogspo ... -1963.html

But, you don't mention anything about what your untouchables did at the same time frame. Once an eshek always an eshek.
I like the word probably used in your quotes. Your accuracy leaves a lot to be desired. Strange you also don't mention the bombs that eoka put to on the statue of your eoka leader, what was his name? Dragulli? to put the fear of god into GCs. There me thinking you were finally waking up from your slumber. Continue with your dream that you live in, cause six months time you will wake up to your worst nightmare.

wHAT WE DO NOT WANT IS WAKING UP TO NIGHTMARES. This will only lead to future strife.

[YFred]

Where was your True democracy when we were forced into enclaves and the untouchables were given a free reign to cause mayhem.

So what's stopping you from taking the TMT to the ECHR?

Because it was not the TMT who was pointing the gun at me, it was your brave eoka, surrounded us from all sides. You forget I was there between 63 and 72. I didn't see any TMT guns pointing at me old chap. It was always those ugly roc police and gavur soldiers.

Bombs away Y-Fronts...

On the 7th of June 1958, the Turkish Consulate Press Office was bombed; however, it was not bombed by EOKA. It was bombed by TMT. Either unaware Turkish Cypriots or TMT agents rioted and Greek Cypriots were expelled from a mixed district in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriot nationalist extremists then turned over or torched the evacuated Greek Cypriot homes.

Lots of Turkish Cypriots fled from mixed or isolated villages. According to Nancy Crawshaw, Turkish Cypriot nationalist extremists were responsible for most of the hundreds of individual arson attacks against homes and religious sites, but according to Keith Kyle, '[m]any Turkish [Cypriot] villages were burned' wholly.

On the 25th of March 1962, TMT bombed Bayraktar Mosque and Ömeriye Mosque, then murdered Ayhan Hikmet and Muzaffer Gürkan when they revealed that TMT were responsible. They bombed Bayraktar Mosque again on the 23rd of January 1963, and it was probably TMT who bombed Ömeriye Mosque again on the 30th of May.

http://human-rights-archaeology.blogspo ... -1963.html

But, you don't mention anything about what your untouchables did at the same time frame. Once an eshek always an eshek.
I like the word probably used in your quotes. Your accuracy leaves a lot to be desired. Strange you also don't mention the bombs that eoka put to on the statue of your eoka leader, what was his name? Dragulli? to put the fear of god into GCs. There me thinking you were finally waking up from your slumber. Continue with your dream that you live in, cause six months time you will wake up to your worst nightmare.

wHAT WE DO NOT WANT IS WAKING UP TO NIGHTMARES. This will only lead to future strife.

Judging by the way the talks are going nightmare is where we are heading. Of course we do not want to go there but we may have no choice on the matter. One thing for sure though is that we will not be in the same nightmare. Each side will have their own nightmare.