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[Talisker]

I was surprised to read that the number of Jews living in Germany was increasing rapidly, and will soon be reaching pre-WW2 levels.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ogromnacht
Remember 90% of Jews in Germany were murdered (210,000 out of an estimated pre-war population of 240,000) and similar proportions in various Eastern European countries (e.g. estimated 3 million Jews from total of 3.3 million in Poland) instigated again by German propaganda and direct action, leading to the figure of nearly 6 million Jews killed in the holocaust. This really was attempted genocide.

Some TCs like to suggest that they too have been subject to attempted genocide, and that the Turkish invasion in 1974 was a 'peace operation' to prevent such a thing happening. Yes, there were intercommunal killings, but to suggest TCs were subject to attempted genocide is, at best, gross exaggeration, and, at worst, complete fabrication with intent to promote crude propaganda.

So, the words 'attempted genocide' can be applied to actions against European Jews in 1930s and 40s, but not, in any way, to actions against TCs in Cyprus in the 1950s, 60 and 70s.

I salute the courage of Jews living in Germany, a country with a well-established history of attempted genocide against that community. Clearly any Jew now living in Germany must have faith in the social and legal systems which ensure safety and equality for all. This courage allows them to live within a modern, democratic, prosperous nation at the heart of Europe with immense benefits for future generations of those courageous Jews.

Given that Jews can show such courage to live within a society which previously attempted to wipe them of the face of the planet I fail to see why TCs hide behind the 'protection' of 40,000 Turkish troops, supposedly preventing a mythical genocide against them, and do not themselves show courage to embrace a reunified Cyprus. Within a unified Cyprus they will be 'protected' not by Turkish troops, but by the fair and democratic processes of law, not only within Cyprus itself, but also from the EU and the UN.

Despite the horrors of attempted genocide against them in 1930s-40s, Jews are not afforded 'special' status within the judicial or electoral systems in Germany. As a minority community within the general population they live within the standard democratic principle of 'one man, one vote'. Why should TCs demand special privileges in any future negotiated settlement?

I would contend that by hiding behind the mirage of 'attempted genocide' by GCs, the 'peace operation' in 1974, the 'protection' of 40,000 Turkish troops, the demands for special rights in a reunified Cyprus, the TCs show themselves to have none of the courageous characteristics shown by Jews living in Germany today. Such thinking will lead inevitably to a self-imposed genocide - seclusion, economic stagnation that prevents opportunity for future generations, the brightest and best of the TC community leaving to find a prosperous life elsewhere, swamping by incoming settlers. The illegal, isolated, morally bankrupt TRNC is therefore currently promoting TC genocide.

TCs show courage! Demand reunification and your place in a free and democratic Cyprus within the legal scrutiny, framework and protection of the EU and UN. If Jews can live in Germany then surely you can have faith in reuniting with your fellow Cypriots?

[insan]

What courage r u asking from TCs? Accepting minority status in Cyprus?

Forget abt it... neither overwhelming majority of TCs wish accepting minority status nor Turks.

[Malapapa]

What courage r u asking from TCs? Accepting minority status in Cyprus?

Forget abt it... neither overwhelming majority of TCs wish accepting minority status nor Turks.

Coward.

[Talisker]

What courage r u asking from TCs? Accepting minority status in Cyprus?

Forget abt it... neither overwhelming majority of TCs wish accepting minority status nor Turks.

Why not? Jews in Germany are in the minority (~200,000 in a population of > 80 million). As a tiny minority it could be argued they are more vulnerable than TCs as 18% of total Cypriot population. The point is to have courage and faith in the legal and judicial processes of the reunified state, and thereby reap the benefits of becoming part of an economically vibrant society that is part of the international community.

[Malapapa]

What courage r u asking from TCs? Accepting minority status in Cyprus?

Forget abt it... neither overwhelming majority of TCs wish accepting minority status nor Turks.

Why not? Jews in Germany are in the minority (~200,000 in a population of > 80 million). As a tiny minority it could be argued they are more vulnerable than TCs as 18% of total Cypriot population. The point is to have courage and faith in the legal and judicial processes of the reunified state, and thereby reap the benefits of becoming part of an economically vibrant society that is part of the international community.

More than that the TCs need to have faith in themselves and their abilities. And the sad truth is they don't.

[insan]

What courage r u asking from TCs? Accepting minority status in Cyprus?

Forget abt it... neither overwhelming majority of TCs wish accepting minority status nor Turks.

Coward.

Coward is u who scare a hell lot that political equality will give full control of Cyprus to Turkey as if Turks r much more evil than all other ethnic groups.

Yes, ur attitude is directly related with ur cowardness but for TCs not accepting minority status does not arise from cowardness... TCs in their 400+ years history in Cyprus have never been a minority...

Plus, only lived under the rule of Ottoman ally Britain...

[Talisker]

What courage r u asking from TCs? Accepting minority status in Cyprus?

Forget abt it... neither overwhelming majority of TCs wish accepting minority status nor Turks.

Why not? Jews in Germany are in the minority (~200,000 in a population of > 80 million). As a tiny minority it could be argued they are more vulnerable than TCs as 18% of total Cypriot population. The point is to have courage and faith in the legal and judicial processes of the reunified state, and thereby reap the benefits of becoming part of an economically vibrant society that is part of the international community.

More than that the TCs need to have faith in themselves and their abilities. And the sad truth is they don't.

Yes, that is apparent, and by hiding behind the myths of genocide, peace operations and Turkish protection, and demands for special status, they excuse themselves from the basic facts - land seizure by force, ethnic cleansing in the north, the 'pariah' status afforded by the international community. I'd argue the evidence suggests this will lead to self-imposed genocide.

[Malapapa]

What courage r u asking from TCs? Accepting minority status in Cyprus?

Forget abt it... neither overwhelming majority of TCs wish accepting minority status nor Turks.

Coward.

Coward is u who scare a hell lot that political equality will give full control of Cyprus to Turkey as if Turks r much more evil than all other ethnic groups.

Yes, ur attitude is directly related with ur cowardness but for TCs not accepting minority status does not arise from cowardness... TCs in their 400+ years history in Cyprus have never been a minority...

Plus, only lived under the rule of Ottoman ally Britain...

Kroykah! T'Ish hokni'es kwi'shoret. Dakh orfikkel aushfamaluhr shaukaush fi'aifa mazhiv. Dif-tor heh smusma, insan.

I'm hoping they speak Vulcan on Planet insan, because communication in English is proving impossible.

[Get Real!]

What courage r u asking from TCs? Accepting minority status in Cyprus?

Forget abt it... neither overwhelming majority of TCs wish accepting minority status nor Turks.

Stop being a community and you’ll stop being a minority.

[Talisker]

What courage r u asking from TCs? Accepting minority status in Cyprus?

Forget abt it... neither overwhelming majority of TCs wish accepting minority status nor Turks.

Stop being a community and you’ll stop being a minority.

Spot on!