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[Paphitis]

A short tutorial

The rejectionist front is not a term I invented. This term is widely used in Cyprus to describe people who have rejected every plan suggested (since 1947) for resolving the Cyprus issue. The late Papadopoulos, for example, rejected all 13 plans that were thrown in front of us. Possible, most of them were better than the Annan Plan, yet he and those that thought/think like him, rejected all of them!

Those that rejected the plans did so on "patriotic" grounds. Hence they became known as bash patriots. They were always members of extreme right organisations who value their greekness more than us "traitors" and do not want to dilute it down with any dose of cheap Turkish solvent. Sometimes, when they run out of greekness arguments, they produce sexually orientated arguments of the type "we will never bend for Turkey", conveniently forgetting that since 1974 we are looking downwards and the pain is felt deeper.

Can you please explain why most AKEL supporters also rejected the Annan Plan? Are they fascist bash patriots as well?

[Bananiot]

Really GR, so this is where you base your ideas! Blimey, even Uganda has one man one vote yet I wouldn't get you to become a ugandan, I am sure. Just stop and ask yourself. Is one man one vote a panacea? If the answer is yes, then let us all jump off the hill and die heroically at least.

[Bananiot]

Do me a favour paphitis and do not become a victim of propaganda posts. I never said that every one that voted against the Annan Plan was a fascist. Many decent people voted against it.

[Paphitis]

Do me a favour paphitis and do not become a victim of propaganda posts. I never said that every one that voted against the Annan Plan was a fascist. Many decent people voted against it.

Decent people who had valid reasons to do so Bananiot! That includes people from all political ideologies.

[Expatkiwi]

Do me a favour paphitis and do not become a victim of propaganda posts. I never said that every one that voted against the Annan Plan was a fascist. Many decent people voted against it.

Decent people who had valid reasons to do so Bananiot! That includes people from all political ideologies.

Decent people also voted for the Annan Plan, Paphitis. Unfortunately there was not nearly enough of them. Now the perpetual partition is all but assured.

[DT.]

A short tutorial

The rejectionist front is not a term I invented. This term is widely used in Cyprus to describe people who have rejected every plan suggested (since 1947) for resolving the Cyprus issue. The late Papadopoulos, for example, rejected all 13 plans that were thrown in front of us. Possible, most of them were better than the Annan Plan, yet he and those that thought/think like him, rejected all of them!

Those that rejected the plans did so on "patriotic" grounds. Hence they became known as bash patriots. They were always members of extreme right organisations who value their greekness more than us "traitors" and do not want to dilute it down with any dose of cheap Turkish solvent. Sometimes, when they run out of greekness arguments, they produce sexually orientated arguments of the type "we will never bend for Turkey", conveniently forgetting that since 1974 we are looking downwards and the pain is felt deeper.

Can you please explain why most AKEL supporters also rejected the Annan Plan? Are they fascist bash patriots as well?

Bananiot, your assumptions are based on these factors
1) Those that rejected the Annan plan are less patriotic than those that voted in favour of it.
2) Those that voted in favour of the annan plan are more intelligent than those that voted against it
3) Those that led the voting against the annan plan have careers and money to lose in case of a solution

The fact that you always suspiciously ignore the last two does not credit you.

4) Those that voted in favour of the annan had money and land to gain that were too much of a temptation regardless of the plan.

5) Those that led the voting in favour of the annan plan have new careers and money to look forward to since they will be the only bi-communally electable GC's.

Personally it doesn't make much difference to me if Eroglu, Papapetrou or Themistocleous are running this country post disastrous solution.

[Bananiot]

I was asked why I voted for the Annan Plan back then. This is the answer I gave at the time:

The year 2004 was immensely significant for Cyprus. It was the first time in more than 30 years that a comprehensive plan was offered to the two communities of Cyprus, Greeks and Turks, for a solution to a problem that has lasted for a very long time. The Turkish Cypriots voted in significant numbers for the proposed solution while the Greek Cypriots heeded the advice of their President and gave a resounding “NO” to the Secretary General of the UN that prepared the plan. April 2004 was the month when the people of Cyprus were called upon to decide for the future of their island.

The Plan itself left many things to be desired. One could almost find reasons to vote against it in every paragraph and every clause of it. As someone said, even the proposed new flag of the unified island looked really bad. However, one needed to decide on more complex issues and really it was not about saying a simple “YES” or a simple “NO”. The most important question we had to answer was: Could we hope for something better in the future and thus dismiss the proposed plan of the UN Secretary General or go for it, because the alternative would be partition and eventual accession of the occupied part of Cyprus by Turkey. President Papadopoulos had an ace under his sleeve. He called upon the Greek Cypriots to give a loud “NO” because we were only a week away from becoming a full member of the European Union. “Why rush and vote “YES” when we can wait for another week and then ask for a better, European solution” he told the people.

The Annan Plan was a plan that was supported by the international community (UN and EU). There were many things in it that could have been better. Papadopoulos did not negotiate it with a view of making it better for the Greek Cypriots. He in fact made it worse (Annan 3 was much better than the final plan) so that he could justify the loud "NO" he was asking. I suppose he sincerely believed that the EU would step in with a better plan after we joined this exclusive club. Some think that he had never the stomach for a Bizonal, Bicommunal Federation and he used the EU hand to trick the people into rejecting the plan.

Of course, in the world we live, there are no ideal solutions but options (according to the great author Stanislav Lem) especially for a tiny weenie country such as Cyprus. We have been offered some better options in the past but declined to take them, making sure that the Turks received the blame for the stalemate. This worked quite well while Denktash ruled supreme in the north. Basically, we kept the flame going for a different kind of solution that would see Cyprus becoming a unitary state once again with the majority running the country and the minority enjoying all legitimate rights. Of course we were thinking wishfully, as always, but when things did change in the north, our shortcomings were quickly exposed. The whole world now thinks that we are the community to blame and that the Turkish Cypriot community is to be rewarded for maintaining a positive and helpful stance. The victims became the guilty party and Turkey got a resolution at the UN asking her to continue her good efforts for a solution. The amazing thing is that Papadopoulos put his signature on the print.

Some questions need to be asked at this late hour, when partition of Cyprus is quite ominous: Can we climb down from the clouds and face realities? Realities that were formulated not only by Turkey but mainly because of our own incredible lust to turn the island into a part of Greece (Makarios's speeches in Panayia and elsewhere in the early 60's pay testament to the fact). Papadopoulos and his government have been in charge for almost four years. Doesn't it strike as odd that he has not made a single proposition as to how we can go about solving our problem? Does Papadopoulos give the impression that he wants a quick solution? Does anyone understand what he actually wants? Why do people not trust him? Has the whole world teamed up to conspire against us? Is it okay for us to shout "thieves" at the Anglo-Americans in such an undiplomatically resentful way? Are we offering the best service to our country by distancing ourselves from the most influential countries that control this part of the world? Is this a patriotic thing to do?

I supported the Annan Plan and voted, among others, for the Turkish army to leave Cyprus and the number of settlers to be restricted to a few thousands. I voted for the Plan because I knew full well that it was an option that we could not afford not to take. Simitis, the Prime Minister of Greece for more than ten years, urged us to vote for the plan, along with other politicians in Greece. He knew only too well that it was the best we could do, under the circumstances.

Furthermore, even with the benefit of hindsight, if I had to choose, I would probably still choose the Annan Plan, even compared to a plan that offered a unified Cyprus, because with our mentality it is probably better if the two communities are separated, for the immediate future, into their respective geographical regions that are mutually decided. From this point of view the Plan was a masterpiece and took well into account, both our recent history and the mentality of a people with zero political culture.

Yet, what weighed even more heavily in my mind prior to the referenda was that I knew all too well that Papadopoulos will never be able to manage the "NO" of the Greek Cypriot community. Klerides and Vassiliou would have done it in an elegant and a diplomatically acceptable manner. They could have easily shown the world that the Greek Cypriot community did not reject a solution but a specific plan. Papadopoulos will never be able to do this.

Remember how he cried on TV when he asked the Greek Cypriots to give a loud "no"?

A politically cultured man would have cried if he had asked his people to vote "yes".

[DT.]

Do me a favour paphitis and do not become a victim of propaganda posts. I never said that every one that voted against the Annan Plan was a fascist. Many decent people voted against it.

Decent people who had valid reasons to do so Bananiot! That includes people from all political ideologies.

Decent people also voted for the Annan Plan, Paphitis. Unfortunately there was not nearly enough of them. Now the perpetual partition is all but assured.

so you that has promoted partition all along and a recognised "trnc" is indecent?

[Bananiot]

The above answers your questions DT, I hope.

[Paphitis]

Do me a favour paphitis and do not become a victim of propaganda posts. I never said that every one that voted against the Annan Plan was a fascist. Many decent people voted against it.

Decent people who had valid reasons to do so Bananiot! That includes people from all political ideologies.

Decent people also voted for the Annan Plan, Paphitis. Unfortunately there was not nearly enough of them. Now the perpetual partition is all but assured.

We already have partition, but the problem is you have perpetual isolation to boot!