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[BirKibrisli]

... with your insincere pleas of democracy and human rights...

Why are they "insincere"? Because that is how you excuse yourself for ignoring them as unfit for TCs to observe and practice.

They are insincere because they only apply now and only to the GCs...Where were the human rights cries when the TCs were huddled in their tiny enclaves fearing for their lives??? If you are selective about your demands for human rights and democracy you are insincere and cannot be trusted or taken seriously...

[Hermes]

Are you threatening us with more invasions? More napalm bombs? More rapes of under age girls? More ethnic cleansing? More occupation and oppression? Haven't you caused enough problems and suffering to Cyprus already? You want more? And what would be your excuse this time? Do you know something we don't? Is there some part of the partition plan which we don't know about yet?

There is a Plan B. Talat refers to it often. A secret plan in case talks fail. I think it's B for Bullshit.

[boomerang]

should the pilot have been torn apart?...the answer is no...he was a prisoner of war and his right should have been protected...

but lets for a minute use, expat's, Vp's, insan's and knucklehead's analogy here...the man was dropping napalm on people, causing deaths and destruction, shouldn't he have known better?...what exactly did he expect?...he must have been a fool to expect otherwise...

[BirKibrisli]

should the pilot have been torn apart?...the answer is no...he was a prisoner of war and his right should have been protected...

but lets for a minute use, expat's, Vp's, insan's and knucklehead's analogy here...the man was dropping napalm on people, causing deaths and destruction, shouldn't he have known better?...what exactly did he expect?...he must have been a fool to expect otherwise...

You are a decent person,boomers...No one deserves to die like that...I agree...He was a soldier,obeying orders..He didnt have the luxury of picking and choosing...But,to be honest,I cannot condemn the action of the GCs either...Human beings are what they are..Highly intelligent animals,acting out of instinct in times of great stress...The answer is obvious...the circumstances under which Topel was dropping bombs should never have been allowed to develop...Are we learning our lessons from this/ i doubt it..That is the tragedy...

[Piratis]

... with your insincere pleas of democracy and human rights...

Why are they "insincere"? Because that is how you excuse yourself for ignoring them as unfit for TCs to observe and practice.

They are insincere because they only apply now and only to the GCs...Where were the human rights cries when the TCs were huddled in their tiny enclaves fearing for their lives??? If you are selective about your demands for human rights and democracy you are insincere and cannot be trusted or taken seriously...

I was not even alive back then. Neither my family had anything to do with the inter-communal conflict. On the other hand you were alive back then and I remember you saying how your family was directly involved with TMT, the ones who started the conflict in the 50s. So if we are going to drop this discussion to the personal level, then surely I can not have more responsibility about the events of that era than you do.

And please don't claim that era was the fault of only the GCs. We all know the role that TMT played and I even gave you a quote of Denktash saying in 1964: "We wish to establish a federal administration in Cyprus. In order to achieve this, it is necessary to move a portion of the Turks from one place to another place and to concentrate our people in certain parts of the island".

Where did I say that I want even a single human right of the TCs violated? I always talk about a free united Cyprus where all people are equal citizens with no human rights violations against anybody.

On the contrary it is you who is looking for revenge, trying to falsify history and manufacture some excuse to yet again violate our human rights. Sounds very familiar!

You share the same kind of logic with TC and GC extremists. I am sure when these extremists were murdering innocent and unarmed people in cold blood they were giving the excuse "Where were your cries when ......... (fill in the gap with some event from the past blamed on the other side). That is a sick mentality mate. It is one thing to analyze history to find the faults and wrongs of each side, it is fine to ask the other side to acknowledge their share of the blame, it is OK to demand the punishment of those individuals who committed the crimes, but to seek some kind of collective punishment and revenge against a whole community and violate the rights of innocent people by using your own one sided view of past events, well, that is criminal to say the least!

Is this truly your own logic? Have you changed that much?

[Oracle]

... with your insincere pleas of democracy and human rights...

Why are they "insincere"? Because that is how you excuse yourself for ignoring them as unfit for TCs to observe and practice.

They are insincere because they only apply now and only to the GCs...Where were the human rights cries when the TCs were huddled in their tiny enclaves fearing for their lives??? If you are selective about your demands for human rights and democracy you are insincere and cannot be trusted or taken seriously...

No, Bir. You are being selective and exaggerating in an insincere way. If the TCs huddled into enclaves, you know as well as I do there were a number of reasons for that, least of all that their Human Rights were disrespected by GCs. The fact that GCs were proposing the one-man-one-vote constitutional reforms, is an indicator of the very early GC respect of Human Rights, everyone's Human Rights not just TCs because if it's the CONCEPT of Human rights as a whole that one respects, then you are hypocritical if you allow it to work for some and not others. So, no matter what you say now, the Turk-TCs acted in total disregard of GCs' Human Rights, then as you do NOW. Somethings never change and we now have to find a way to safeguard OUR, present and future, Human Rights as well, against the tyrannous minority that have been blighting the smooth running of our country (for centuries).

[BirKibrisli]

... with your insincere pleas of democracy and human rights...

Why are they "insincere"? Because that is how you excuse yourself for ignoring them as unfit for TCs to observe and practice.

They are insincere because they only apply now and only to the GCs...Where were the human rights cries when the TCs were huddled in their tiny enclaves fearing for their lives??? If you are selective about your demands for human rights and democracy you are insincere and cannot be trusted or taken seriously...

I was not even alive back then. Neither my family had anything to do with the inter-communal conflict. On the other hand you were alive back then and I remember you saying how your family was directly involved with TMT, the ones who started the conflict in the 50s. So if we are going to drop this discussion to the personal level, then surely I can not have more responsibility about the events of that era than you do.

And please don't claim that era was the fault of only the GCs. We all know the role that TMT played and I even gave you a quote of Denktash saying in 1964: "We wish to establish a federal administration in Cyprus. In order to achieve this, it is necessary to move a portion of the Turks from one place to another place and to concentrate our people in certain parts of the island".

Where did I say that I want even a single human right of the TCs violated? I always talk about a free united Cyprus where all people are equal citizens with no human rights violations against anybody.

On the contrary it is you who is looking for revenge, trying to falsify history and manufacture some excuse to yet again violate our human rights. Sounds very familiar!

You share the same kind of logic with TC and GC extremists. I am sure when these extremists were murdering innocent and unarmed people in cold blood they were giving the excuse "Where were your cries when ......... (fill in the gap with some event from the past blamed on the other side). That is a sick mentality mate. It is one thing to analyze history to find the faults and wrongs of each side, it is fine to ask the other side to acknowledge their share of the blame, it is OK to demand the punishment of those individuals who committed the crimes, but to seek some kind of collective punishment and revenge against a whole community and violate the rights of innocent people by using your own one sided view of past events, well, that is criminal to say the least!

Is this truly your own logic? Have you changed that much?

I have not changed at all,Piratis...But I got sick of the one-sided insults and accusations coming from you and others like Oracle,who totally ignore anything which might put a dent in their armour of hatred and bitterness...Empathy and compassion cannot be one sided..I have shown enough of it on this forum...Now it is your turn....I know you are not capable of writing anything that is slightly critical of the GCs..So I will do it for you...Please copy and paste it in a post and send it as is.....It would mean a lot to me and others like me...

I appreciate that the TCs were truly in fear of their lives from mid 50s onwards..The demand for ENOSIS and the presence of the EOKA,enabled the big powers to divide and rule the two communities,who are really one people one nation...Being in the minority they had little choice but leave the government in the 60s as they felt their lives were in danger...For eleven years they survived extreme hardship on top of the fear for their lives...The GC community at the time showed no interest in the TCs plight...No one ever talked about the TCs democratic and human rights...The Cyprus government was appropriated by the GCs and used only to benefit themselves...All help and encouragement were offered to those TCs who wanted to leave Cyprus...I acknowledge that starting from the demand for ENOSIS, the GCs showed little sensitivity or empathy for the feelings of the TC community...Their disregard of the fears and reservations of the TC community is regrettable and I am sorry so many people suffered for so long as a result...The same misfortune was visited on the GCs in 1974,and I would like you to acknowledge our pain and suffering since then...Only if we show mutual empathy and compassion will we ever find a solution which will be fair and lasting...Any such solution
will need to be achieved in stages,and I,Piratis,am prepared to do all in my power to facilitate mutual understanding and respect between our communities....

Come on Piratis,do it...Show us you are human after all...

[BirKibrisli]

... with your insincere pleas of democracy and human rights...

Why are they "insincere"? Because that is how you excuse yourself for ignoring them as unfit for TCs to observe and practice.

They are insincere because they only apply now and only to the GCs...Where were the human rights cries when the TCs were huddled in their tiny enclaves fearing for their lives??? If you are selective about your demands for human rights and democracy you are insincere and cannot be trusted or taken seriously...

No, Bir. You are being selective and exaggerating in an insincere way. If the TCs huddled into enclaves, you know as well as I do there were a number of reasons for that, least of all that their Human Rights were disrespected by GCs. The fact that GCs were proposing the one-man-one-vote constitutional reforms, is an indicator of the very early GC respect of Human Rights, everyone's Human Rights not just TCs because if it's the CONCEPT of Human rights as a whole that one respects, then you are hypocritical if you allow it to work for some and not others. So, no matter what you say now, the Turk-TCs acted in total disregard of GCs' Human Rights, then as you do NOW. Somethings never change and we now have to find a way to safeguard OUR, present and future, Human Rights as well, against the tyrannous minority that have been blighting the smooth running of our country (for centuries).

You can copy the above writing as well,Oracle,and change the name of Piratis...Shock us into the reality that you too are a human being,not a Turk-TC hate -machine...

[denizaksulu]

... with your insincere pleas of democracy and human rights...

Why are they "insincere"? Because that is how you excuse yourself for ignoring them as unfit for TCs to observe and practice.

They are insincere because they only apply now and only to the GCs...Where were the human rights cries when the TCs were huddled in their tiny enclaves fearing for their lives??? If you are selective about your demands for human rights and democracy you are insincere and cannot be trusted or taken seriously...

I was not even alive back then. Neither my family had anything to do with the inter-communal conflict. On the other hand you were alive back then and I remember you saying how your family was directly involved with TMT, the ones who started the conflict in the 50s. So if we are going to drop this discussion to the personal level, then surely I can not have more responsibility about the events of that era than you do.

And please don't claim that era was the fault of only the GCs. We all know the role that TMT played and I even gave you a quote of Denktash saying in 1964: "We wish to establish a federal administration in Cyprus. In order to achieve this, it is necessary to move a portion of the Turks from one place to another place and to concentrate our people in certain parts of the island".

Where did I say that I want even a single human right of the TCs violated? I always talk about a free united Cyprus where all people are equal citizens with no human rights violations against anybody.

On the contrary it is you who is looking for revenge, trying to falsify history and manufacture some excuse to yet again violate our human rights. Sounds very familiar!

You share the same kind of logic with TC and GC extremists. I am sure when these extremists were murdering innocent and unarmed people in cold blood they were giving the excuse "Where were your cries when ......... (fill in the gap with some event from the past blamed on the other side). That is a sick mentality mate. It is one thing to analyze history to find the faults and wrongs of each side, it is fine to ask the other side to acknowledge their share of the blame, it is OK to demand the punishment of those individuals who committed the crimes, but to seek some kind of collective punishment and revenge against a whole community and violate the rights of innocent people by using your own one sided view of past events, well, that is criminal to say the least!

Is this truly your own logic? Have you changed that much?

I have not changed at all,Piratis...But I got sick of the one-sided insults and accusations coming from you and others like Oracle,who totally ignore anything which might put a dent in their armour of hatred and bitterness...Empathy and compassion cannot be one sided..I have shown enough of it on this forum...Now it is your turn....I know you are not capable of writing anything that is slightly critical of the GCs..So I will do it for you...Please copy and paste it in a post and send it as is.....It would mean a lot to me and others like me...

I appreciate that the TCs were truly in fear of their lives from mid 50s onwards..The demand for ENOSIS and the presence of the EOKA,enabled the big powers to divide and rule the two communities,who are really one people one nation...Being in the minority they had little choice but leave the government in the 60s as they felt their lives were in danger...For eleven years they survived extreme hardship on top of the fear for their lives...The GC community at the time showed no interest in the TCs plight...No one ever talked about the TCs democratic and human rights...The Cyprus government was appropriated by the GCs and used only to benefit themselves...All help and encouragement were offered to those TCs who wanted to leave Cyprus...I acknowledge that starting from the demand for ENOSIS, the GCs showed little sensitivity or empathy for the feelings of the TC community...Their disregard of the fears and reservations of the TC community is regrettable and I am sorry so many people suffered for so long as a result...The same misfortune was visited on the GCs in 1974,and I would like you to acknowledge our pain and suffering since then...Only if we show mutual empathy and compassion will we ever find a solution which will be fair and lasting...Any such solution
will need to be achieved in stages,and I,Piratis,am prepared to do all in my power to facilitate mutual understanding and respect between our communities....

Come on Piratis,do it...Show us you are human after all...

BK, have you lost your marbles?




The above is not a RW-CD.

He is an idiot and racist of the first order. 'Vurdumduymazın' biri.

[Oracle]

... with your insincere pleas of democracy and human rights...

Why are they "insincere"? Because that is how you excuse yourself for ignoring them as unfit for TCs to observe and practice.

They are insincere because they only apply now and only to the GCs...Where were the human rights cries when the TCs were huddled in their tiny enclaves fearing for their lives??? If you are selective about your demands for human rights and democracy you are insincere and cannot be trusted or taken seriously...

No, Bir. You are being selective and exaggerating in an insincere way. If the TCs huddled into enclaves, you know as well as I do there were a number of reasons for that, least of all that their Human Rights were disrespected by GCs. The fact that GCs were proposing the one-man-one-vote constitutional reforms, is an indicator of the very early GC respect of Human Rights, everyone's Human Rights not just TCs because if it's the CONCEPT of Human rights as a whole that one respects, then you are hypocritical if you allow it to work for some and not others. So, no matter what you say now, the Turk-TCs acted in total disregard of GCs' Human Rights, then as you do NOW. Somethings never change and we now have to find a way to safeguard OUR, present and future, Human Rights as well, against the tyrannous minority that have been blighting the smooth running of our country (for centuries).

You can copy the above writing as well,Oracle,and change the name of Piratis...Shock us into the reality that you too are a human being,not a Turk-TC hate -machine...

You cannot twist a call for Democracy and Human Rights, for one-and-all, as tantamount to "hate" - ... It's medicine; it may be bitter to you, but it will do you good in the long-term.

Meanwhile, I think you dropped this ...