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Postby insan » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:54 am

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insan wrote:It seems the target was not the civilians and there's no report that civilians were targeted..


I know for a fact Turkish jets targeted us for weeks! There are many confirmations of GC civilian casualties from Bombs, shells and Napalm.

Your blatant revisionist rantings from Turkish sources, to secure some "national pride" in your law-forsaken people, is well known by modern historians and you will NOT be allowed to re-write history to suit your "creationist" propaganda!


http://www.yenikibris.org/

This TC source is not a "all pro-Turkish source" as some other Turkish sources... it is maybe the only website belongs to a TC political party that is presented in Turkish, Greek and English.

U better check it out before jumping on prejudiced rhetorics. :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:06 am

insan wrote:
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insan wrote:It seems the target was not the civilians and there's no report that civilians were targeted..


I know for a fact Turkish jets targeted us for weeks! There are many confirmations of GC civilian casualties from Bombs, shells and Napalm.

Your blatant revisionist rantings from Turkish sources, to secure some "national pride" in your law-forsaken people, is well known by modern historians and you will NOT be allowed to re-write history to suit your "creationist" propaganda!


http://www.yenikibris.org/

This TC source is not a "all pro-Turkish source" as some other Turkish sources... it is maybe the only website belongs to a TC political party that is presented in Turkish, Greek and English.

U better check it out before jumping on prejudiced rhetorics. :wink:


Fuck off with your Turkish propaganda. Who are you trying to fool?

Do you think Cambridge Historians cataloguing this era will look at your frigging shite? :lol:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:18 am

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Tim Drayton wrote:The Fractures of a Struggle:
Remembering and Forgetting Erenköy

Rebecca Bryant
George Mason University

http://www.prio.no/upload/Rebecca%20Bryant.doc


Not a single mention of the word "napalm". Presenting the TMT as heroes. She even talks about how they were bringing weapons from Turkey to Cyprus in the 50s with no mention about how those weapons were used: To attack innocent Greek Cypriots and start the inter-communal conflict.

I read 3 pages of this document (and made a search for the word "napalm") and it was more than enough to understand what it was all about.

In many occasions in this forum I exposed PRIO as a pro-Turkish organization. This document is yet another confirmation.


What about Cengiz Topel,Piratis???....Could you bring yourself to comment on his human rights...He was a soldier doing his job..Was captured,tortured,and torn to pieces by your mob...Can you bring yourself to feel for him??? Lets hear how you will justify the cruel treatment of a prisoner of war!!!
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Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:21 am

Piratis wrote:And the two sources she gives in her document are from www.trncinfo.com and www.turkishforum.com :roll:

I am not surprised, since she is an employee of the Turks:

http://www.ncc.metu.edu.tr/academic/CV/ ... BRYANT.pdf


Interpretation: THIS STORY DOES NOT FIT IN NEATLY WITH MY ARGUMENTS...I HAVE TO DISCREDIT THE WRITER...SHE MUST BE IN THE EMPLOYMENT OF THE TURKS.... :lol: :lol: :twisted:
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Postby Piratis » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:30 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:The Fractures of a Struggle:
Remembering and Forgetting Erenköy

Rebecca Bryant
George Mason University

http://www.prio.no/upload/Rebecca%20Bryant.doc


Not a single mention of the word "napalm". Presenting the TMT as heroes. She even talks about how they were bringing weapons from Turkey to Cyprus in the 50s with no mention about how those weapons were used: To attack innocent Greek Cypriots and start the inter-communal conflict.

I read 3 pages of this document (and made a search for the word "napalm") and it was more than enough to understand what it was all about.

In many occasions in this forum I exposed PRIO as a pro-Turkish organization. This document is yet another confirmation.


What about Cengiz Topel,Piratis???....Could you bring yourself to comment on his human rights...He was a soldier doing his job..Was captured,tortured,and torn to pieces by your mob...Can you bring yourself to feel for him??? Lets hear how you will justify the cruel treatment of a prisoner of war!!!


What was his job? To invade our country and kill Cypriots?

Are you now supporting murderers Bir? (as long as they are Turkish of course!)

Bir's Logic:

Turkish murderer = good. Deserves his human rights.
Greek Cypriots = all bad. None of them deserve human rights.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:33 am

Expatkiwi wrote:THis story of the heroes of Erenkoy will be remembered as one of the great events of 20th Century warfare history.


SORRY,eXPAT...This story will be remembered as one of the most foolhardy,irresponsible, and pointless episodes...Turkey should never have allowed these kids to be sent on a mission that only fully trained and equipped soldiers could achieve...It was a total blunder which cost a lot of lives unnecessarily,including the lives of the GC fighters who were defending their territory after all...
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Postby Piratis » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:39 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
Piratis wrote:And the two sources she gives in her document are from www.trncinfo.com and www.turkishforum.com :roll:

I am not surprised, since she is an employee of the Turks:

http://www.ncc.metu.edu.tr/academic/CV/ ... BRYANT.pdf


Interpretation: THIS STORY DOES NOT FIT IN NEATLY WITH MY ARGUMENTS...I HAVE TO DISCREDIT THE WRITER...SHE MUST BE IN THE EMPLOYMENT OF THE TURKS.... :lol: :lol: :twisted:


She is employed by the Turks. Turkish is even her native language.

http://www.ncc.metu.edu.tr/academic/CV/ ... BRYANT.pdf

I never heard of this woman before. But after reading a couple of pages from her Turkish propaganda I knew that this person is not objective at all, and that there must be a reason for this.

I made a quick search and my suspicions were 100% confirmed.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:40 am

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BirKibrisli wrote:..I said 500 misguided and foolish TC students managed to land in Kokkina area,hoping to make their way to their villages or towns,to help fight of what they thought was an imminent GC push to wipe of all the TCs on the island[/size]...They truly believed that,that is why they risked their lives to get there...They were under a long seige,and the final assault wasonly hours away...Some GC civilians had taken up positions on the hill to watch the salaughter of the TCs in that enclave...


What a romantic spin you put on this tale, to glamorise "TC students".
They were soldiers fighting for Turkish interests. :roll:

And what evil onlookers to a slaughter you do portray the GCs as being. :roll: The Kokkina area is remote and has always been poorly populated ... so how long would it take for any number of GC civilians to group together after hearing there was going to be a "slaughter"?
Most GC civilians were afraid of TCs at that time, and demoralised by Turkish bombings to go anywhere near a battle scene.


They were lining up BEFORE the bombs started to fall,dear lady...I heard about this at the time in Cyprus...Bananiot has confirmed it...There was nothing romantic about these students...They were desperate people doing desperate things...They should never have been allowed to...And they shouldnt have had to...


Yes it was all very well planned in advance (since the 50's) and executed. Not students, but soldiers! So don't pretend they were heroes, but invaders, TCs or no TCs, they were invaders trying to destroy the Constitution and the Cypriot government to enable Turkey to fulfil her partitionist plans.

We have the outcome today!


The Constitution and the Cypriot government were already destroyed a few months earlier by the president Makarios himself, who drove the TCs out of government and into enclaves where they struggled to survive for 11 years...Take your blinkers off and allow some of the real events enter your brain..But i know it is more comfortable for you to stew in your hatred and bitterness of all things Turkish... :)
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:44 am

insan wrote: ... It seems the target was not the civilians and there's no report that civilians were targeted..


For the revisionist Turks who deny the slaughter they sow.

Eye-witness accounts by the BBC of GC civilian casualties from bombs, shells and Napalm-like burns, later CONFIRMED.

Please click on the VIDEO in this article to see civilian GC casualties from Turkish jets, indiscriminately attacking ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 037898.stm
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Postby Piratis » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:53 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:..I said 500 misguided and foolish TC students managed to land in Kokkina area,hoping to make their way to their villages or towns,to help fight of what they thought was an imminent GC push to wipe of all the TCs on the island[/size]...They truly believed that,that is why they risked their lives to get there...They were under a long seige,and the final assault wasonly hours away...Some GC civilians had taken up positions on the hill to watch the salaughter of the TCs in that enclave...


What a romantic spin you put on this tale, to glamorise "TC students".
They were soldiers fighting for Turkish interests. :roll:

And what evil onlookers to a slaughter you do portray the GCs as being. :roll: The Kokkina area is remote and has always been poorly populated ... so how long would it take for any number of GC civilians to group together after hearing there was going to be a "slaughter"?
Most GC civilians were afraid of TCs at that time, and demoralised by Turkish bombings to go anywhere near a battle scene.


They were lining up BEFORE the bombs started to fall,dear lady...I heard about this at the time in Cyprus...Bananiot has confirmed it...There was nothing romantic about these students...They were desperate people doing desperate things...They should never have been allowed to...And they shouldnt have had to...


Yes it was all very well planned in advance (since the 50's) and executed. Not students, but soldiers! So don't pretend they were heroes, but invaders, TCs or no TCs, they were invaders trying to destroy the Constitution and the Cypriot government to enable Turkey to fulfil her partitionist plans.

We have the outcome today!


The Constitution and the Cypriot government were already destroyed a few months earlier by the president Makarios himself, who drove the TCs out of government and into enclaves where they struggled to survive for 11 years...Take your blinkers off and allow some of the real events enter your brain..But i know it is more comfortable for you to stew in your hatred and bitterness of all things Turkish... :)


Makarios made proposals that would make the constitution more fair.

And you can not blame the GCs exclusively for TCs going into enclaves. Here is what Denktash said in 64:

"We wish to establish a federal administration in Cyprus. In order to achieve this, it is necessary to move a portion of the Turks from one place to another place and to concentrate our people in certain parts of the island"

The partition plan was created in the 50s and the Turkish side didn't stop for a moment working on it. This continues until today, and the "solution" they want is one that not only will be a disguised partition, but one that can allow them a complete partition in the future.

Here is what retired Turkish diplomat İlter Türkmen said:

"The Annan Plan had various flaws and was difficult to implement. If the plan could have been shown to be unworkable our basic aim of two states could have been achieved more easily, because it would have been necessary to find a formula within the EU. Just as Czechoslovakia was divided into two it would have been possible to divide Cyprus into two separate states."
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