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[denizaksulu]

Of course they are all Turks B25. In the eyes of the nationalists all dogs belong to the same breed. However, is it just peculiar (to say the least) that the little fascist is lecturing Birkibrisli?

I am neither little, nor a fascist, nor giving lectures, one of you were lying.

He claims TCs you claim Turks, not that can give ahoot, but get your lies straight before you spread them.

To me Birk, is just another TC trying to get things his way, but don't worry your little head, we know where you stand.

You missed Bananiot's point all together,B25..He was implying that to the GCs at the time,lining up to witness the massacre,those to be slaughtered were just "Turks",including my cousins,the 3 TC students..

And I guess those 500 TCs landed there to have a picnic and not to kill people?

Piratis,they were student in their early 20s studying in Turkey...when the 63 troubles began they thought they should get back to help their community survive what they thought was going to be an all out attack to wipe off the TCs...Turkish army gave them all a 2 week course in using firearms,and dumped them on this little enclave which was surrounded by the GC regulars and irregular (i have no midea who they were) in no time...They had no idea what they were doing...But soon found out they were mistakenly believed to be the avantgard of a Turkish military operation...Some were killed in the skirmishes,and all were in grave danger of starvation for the whole duration...This was the most bizarre chapter of the 63-74 period...People should know what really happened,dont you think???Instead of thinking that Turkey just wanted some target practice...But I suspect nothing will dent the armour of hatred and bitterness in certain people here...

Lame!

Oracle; I have no time for partitionists at all. The 500 TC's that bravely landed in Kokkina had been misled by the TMT, leaders and Turkey first of all. Being abroad studying or working they were easily fed exagerated information of mass slaughters / ethnic cleansing etc etc. Many of them, including the cousins I share with BK were under that apprehension that events were worse than the truth. They sincerely thought that they were eventually going to defend their villages against the GC irregulars. Upon landing they realised the truth. In fact there were accrimonious confrontations with their commander (a Turk); they were incessantly asking when they were to go to their villages to defend them. I do not believe that they went there to pave the way for partition.

Non expected that the NG and the paramilitaries would give them an easy time. To this end they fought bravely under conditions constant sheeling, of cold, starvation etc. Many sacrificed their lives for what they believed in - like the eoka Fight against the colonial powers.

[boomerang]

Deniz I wanted to ask long ago but never got around it... would you have voted for the annan plan?...its a yes or a no answer Deniz...thats what you get on a ballot...

[Bananiot]

Again, I have said what I wanted to say and there is no sense in repeating my self. Just in case you have missed it, however, accusing 100 000 Greek Cypriots for voting for solution in 2004 and calling them unspeakable names, is a fascist practice, wheather you like it or not. You can have the last word.

[boomerang]

Again, I have said what I wanted to say and there is no sense in repeating my self. Just in case you have missed it, however, accusing 100 000 Greek Cypriots for voting for solution in 2004 and calling them unspeakable names, is a fascist practice, wheather you like it or not. You can have the last word.

hehehe you are the one that is unable to move form the OXI vote spotty...whats the matter no respect for a democratic vote?...move to turkey were the minority rules...nice system...should suit you down to a "T"..

what a real cypriot you are spotty...wanting to gift your homeland to others...niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice....

a real cypriot will only think what is best for cyprus like the 2 tc heroes...I wish I could ask them what they would have thought of your actions...i bet they would have said you are....fill the blanks spotty...

I know its far fetched, but how about standing for democracy, respect for human rights, and the rule of law...

[Oracle]

Of course they are all Turks B25. In the eyes of the nationalists all dogs belong to the same breed. However, is it just peculiar (to say the least) that the little fascist is lecturing Birkibrisli?

I am neither little, nor a fascist, nor giving lectures, one of you were lying.

He claims TCs you claim Turks, not that can give ahoot, but get your lies straight before you spread them.

To me Birk, is just another TC trying to get things his way, but don't worry your little head, we know where you stand.

You missed Bananiot's point all together,B25..He was implying that to the GCs at the time,lining up to witness the massacre,those to be slaughtered were just "Turks",including my cousins,the 3 TC students..

And I guess those 500 TCs landed there to have a picnic and not to kill people?

Piratis,they were student in their early 20s studying in Turkey...when the 63 troubles began they thought they should get back to help their community survive what they thought was going to be an all out attack to wipe off the TCs...Turkish army gave them all a 2 week course in using firearms,and dumped them on this little enclave which was surrounded by the GC regulars and irregular (i have no midea who they were) in no time...They had no idea what they were doing...But soon found out they were mistakenly believed to be the avantgard of a Turkish military operation...Some were killed in the skirmishes,and all were in grave danger of starvation for the whole duration...This was the most bizarre chapter of the 63-74 period...People should know what really happened,dont you think???Instead of thinking that Turkey just wanted some target practice...But I suspect nothing will dent the armour of hatred and bitterness in certain people here...

Lame!

Oracle; I have no time for partitionists at all. The 500 TC's that bravely landed in Kokkina had been misled by the TMT, leaders and Turkey first of all. Being abroad studying or working they were easily fed exagerated information of mass slaughters / ethnic cleansing etc etc. Many of them, including the cousins I share with BK were under that apprehension that events were worse than the truth. They sincerely thought that they were eventually going to defend their villages against the GC irregulars. Upon landing they realised the truth. In fact there were accrimonious confrontations with their commander (a Turk); they were incessantly asking when they were to go to their villages to defend them. I do not believe that they went there to pave the way for partition.

Non expected that the NG and the paramilitaries would give them an easy time. To this end they fought bravely under conditions constant sheeling, of cold, starvation etc. Many sacrificed their lives for what they believed in - like the eoka Fight against the colonial powers.

Thanks, Deniz.

Thanks for confirming this (an unfortunate, sad battle and waste of human life) was part of Turkey's first major attempt to invade and partition Cyprus, in 1964. Reasoned for, purely on fantasy and propaganda! Unfortunately, repeated after being "refined", in 1974. But still reasoned on fantasy and propaganda! Some things never change. We have the aftermath and evidence of this partition plan before us, now.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz I wanted to ask long ago but never got around it... would you have voted for the annan plan?...its a yes or a no answer Deniz...thats what you get on a ballot...

When I read the ANNAN Plan, my immediate reaction was 'NO'. I stated that two yearsd ago on the CF.

It still is NO.

The reason being that Turkey would have got what it wanted by force and that was not acceptable to me. Then, there was the 'ethnic cleansing'. NO WAY would I endorse such an evil. NO ONE has the right to displace people from the homes they have lived in for more than a millenium (centuries in the TC case).

So my answer is a MEGALO OXI

[boomerang]

Deniz I wanted to ask long ago but never got around it... would you have voted for the annan plan?...its a yes or a no answer Deniz...thats what you get on a ballot...

When I read the ANNAN Plan, my immediate reaction was 'NO'. I stated that two yearsd ago on the CF.

It still is NO.

The reason being that Turkey would have got what it wanted by force and that was not acceptable to me. Then, there was the 'ethnic cleansing'. NO WAY would I endorse such an evil. NO ONE has the right to displace people from the homes they have lived in for more than a millenium (centuries in the TC case).

So my answer is a MEGALO OXI

thanks deniz.. .I am with you on this one for the simple reason our homeland would have been gifted yet once again...

[BirKibrisli]

Forgive GR Birkibrisli. He has completely lost it since his protege died politically in 2007 when he came 3rd in the elections. The rest are just a bunch of fascists and you simply flatter them with your politeness for they'd rather have you insult them. You see they cannot cope with real people.

GR will always be forgiven...I have a lot of time for him..He is a decent person,highly intelligent,albeit a bit impulsive and erratic...But who is perfect,dear Bananiot???

[BirKibrisli]

That Turkey woke up one day and decided it was a nice day to drop some napalm on Cyprus???

Bir, Turkey had a plan for the partition of Cyprus since the 50s. They didn't just wake up on morning ...

I don't know the exact facts of that story, but my best guess is that Turkey dropped those 500 people there so later she could come to "save" them by killing innocent GCs. 500 people would not move from Turkey to Cyprus without the knowledge of the Turkish army.

But why deny the actual facts on the day???The bombing was a direct response to the attack on the TC enclave...There were people lining up to watch the massacre of the TCs...I know you are finding his incredible today,but closing your mind to it will not change the facts...All I am saying is this :let us all try to be open minded about the facts and the events,not in denial that only one side is capale of attrocities,only one side is guilty of crimes against humanity...If you keep justifying everything,finding excuses to clear your side of any wrong doing,we will not get anywhere...That is the biggest obstacle to peace in Cyprus...Both sides paint themselves whiter than white..Both sides accuse the other one of everything under the sun...When both sides truly accept their part in this mess,we might find a way out...Not before..

We accepted our part in the mess Bir. But I have 2 questions for you:

1) How much responsibility the GC side has?
2) How does the past excuse the TCs from demanding yet more gains and privileges for themselves on the expense of our human and democratic rights?

You are asking simple questions regarding very complicated matters,Piratis...If you accept your part in the mess,then you accept 50-50 responsibility...

The picture is not that clear and simple on your second question either.
The only TCs who gained privileges from our troubles are those close to Denktas and his ruling elite,and those close to the upper echolons of the TMT...Most TCs,like myself,lost everything,including our birthright,to live peacefully without fear in our own country...It is a furphy that the TCs have gained big time from your suffering and loss...Today we are on the brink of cultural extinction...At least you have 66% of your country to practice your democratic rights in...We have become endangered species in our own county,having to justify how Turkish and how Islamic we are at every turn.Our political will have been highjacked by the settlers,and our spirit has been crushed by our"rescuers "who remind us every day we owe them our lives...Please don't talk to me about the TC gains and provileges..it is all in your head...

[BirKibrisli]

Of course they are all Turks B25. In the eyes of the nationalists all dogs belong to the same breed. However, is it just peculiar (to say the least) that the little fascist is lecturing Birkibrisli?

I am neither little, nor a fascist, nor giving lectures, one of you were lying.

He claims TCs you claim Turks, not that can give ahoot, but get your lies straight before you spread them.

To me Birk, is just another TC trying to get things his way, but don't worry your little head, we know where you stand.

You missed Bananiot's point all together,B25..He was implying that to the GCs at the time,lining up to witness the massacre,those to be slaughtered were just "Turks",including my cousins,the 3 TC students..

And I guess those 500 TCs landed there to have a picnic and not to kill people?

Piratis,they were student in their early 20s studying in Turkey...when the 63 troubles began they thought they should get back to help their community survive what they thought was going to be an all out attack to wipe off the TCs...Turkish army gave them all a 2 week course in using firearms,and dumped them on this little enclave which was surrounded by the GC regulars and irregular (i have no midea who they were) in no time...They had no idea what they were doing...But soon found out they were mistakenly believed to be the avantgard of a Turkish military operation...Some were killed in the skirmishes,and all were in grave danger of starvation for the whole duration...This was the most bizarre chapter of the 63-74 period...People should know what really happened,dont you think???Instead of thinking that Turkey just wanted some target practice...But I suspect nothing will dent the armour of hatred and bitterness in certain people here...

What Turkey and TCs wanted was the partition of Cyprus. Do you deny this?

Piratis,again you are only considering part of the story...

Turkey had washed her hands of Cyprus in 1923 when they signed it away...They had no interest in none of it...The British and the Americans dragged the Menderes govenment kicking and screaming into the picture, just as the GCs were taking up arms against the British in the mid 50s...If you had not started the ENOSIS campaign,and tried to force it by an underground armed struggle led my the EOKA ,TAKSIM (partition)would never have become unofficial Turkish policy...We were both conned by the British and American governments,to advance their own national interests at the time...You can't just wipe all this under the carpet,and blame the TCs and Turkey for everything...