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[BirKibrisli]

Of course they are all Turks B25. In the eyes of the nationalists all dogs belong to the same breed. However, is it just peculiar (to say the least) that the little fascist is lecturing Birkibrisli?

I am neither little, nor a fascist, nor giving lectures, one of you were lying.

He claims TCs you claim Turks, not that can give ahoot, but get your lies straight before you spread them.

To me Birk, is just another TC trying to get things his way, but don't worry your little head, we know where you stand.

You missed Bananiot's point all together,B25..He was implying that to the GCs at the time,lining up to witness the massacre,those to be slaughtered were just "Turks",including my cousins,the 3 TC students..

And I guess those 500 TCs landed there to have a picnic and not to kill people?

Piratis,they were student in their early 20s studying in Turkey...when the 63 troubles began they thought they should get back to help their community survive what they thought was going to be an all out attack to wipe off the TCs...Turkish army gave them all a 2 week course in using firearms,and dumped them on this little enclave which was surrounded by the GC regulars and irregular (i have no midea who they were) in no time...They had no idea what they were doing...But soon found out they were mistakenly believed to be the avantgard of a Turkish military operation...Some were killed in the skirmishes,and all were in grave danger of starvation for the whole duration...This was the most bizarre chapter of the 63-74 period...People should know what really happened,dont you think???Instead of thinking that Turkey just wanted some target practice...But I suspect nothing will dent the armour of hatred and bitterness in certain people here...

[Expatkiwi]

But I suspect nothing will dent the armour of hatred and bitterness in certain people here...

That would be a fitting epitaph for the Cyprus Forum...

[BirKibrisli]

That Turkey woke up one day and decided it was a nice day to drop some napalm on Cyprus???

Bir, Turkey had a plan for the partition of Cyprus since the 50s. They didn't just wake up on morning ...

I don't know the exact facts of that story, but my best guess is that Turkey dropped those 500 people there so later she could come to "save" them by killing innocent GCs. 500 people would not move from Turkey to Cyprus without the knowledge of the Turkish army.

But why deny the actual facts on the day???The bombing was a direct response to the attack on the TC enclave...There were people lining up to watch the massacre of the TCs...I know you are finding his incredible today,but closing your mind to it will not change the facts...All I am saying is this :let us all try to be open minded about the facts and the events,not in denial that only one side is capale of attrocities,only one side is guilty of crimes against humanity...If you keep justifying everything,finding excuses to clear your side of any wrong doing,we will not get anywhere...That is the biggest obstacle to peace in Cyprus...Both sides paint themselves whiter than white..Both sides accuse the other one of everything under the sun...When both sides truly accept their part in this mess,we might find a way out...Not before..

[BirKibrisli]

That Turkey woke up one day and decided it was a nice day to drop some napalm on Cyprus???

That's exactly what your great grand-dog Lala Pasha did, except he didn't have Napalm so he butchered the Cypriots instead!

For God's sake! when will you let some ray of objectivity seep into that brain of yours???

Here's a ray of objectivity for you...

Don't come to Cyprus!

Et tu,Brutus??????

[boomerang]

Bir talks about objectivity and then when you wanna discuss anything about tcs he comes out with you do not understand and gives you the run around...this is quite evident when I asked for the eyewitness account....then he proceeds to tell us his own eyewitness account as being gospel...well Bir if we gonna hear your eyewitness account why not others...then you proceeded to tell us you never l;ookwed at the pictures coz you get ill...is this your version of objectivity bir?...I do not buy it...

further more Bir pounds continously about the tc fears, well Bir have you stopped and thought for a minute the gcs fears...like turkey guarantees?...you think a person with a sound mind, a gc, will vote for a solution that includes a turkey guarantee...

bir there is always 2 sides to every coin, but unfortunately your coins have the same face on both sides...everything is about the fears of the tcs...

further more you would rather take your car to the mechanic on weekly basis ratrher than forking money and getting the vehicle fixed once and for all...

all I am saying we have a chance and put the whole mess behind us in a one hit...a one plan and let democrasy and the rule of law take care of the misfits...but you wanna do it in stages causing resentment along the way with either side...good luck...

above you talk about having an open mind...no offence but I think you are confused bir...

[BirKibrisli]

Bir talks about objectivity and then when you wanna discuss anything about tcs he comes out with you do not understand and gives you the run around...this is quite evident when I asked for the eyewitness account....then he proceeds to tell us his own eyewitness account as being gospel...well Bir if we gonna hear your eyewitness account why not others...then you proceeded to tell us you never l;ookwed at the pictures coz you get ill...is this your version of objectivity bir?...I do not buy it...

further more Bir pounds continously about the tc fears, well Bir have you stopped and thought for a minute the gcs fears...like turkey guarantees?...you think a person with a sound mind, a gc, will vote for a solution that includes a turkey guarantee...

bir there is always 2 sides to every coin, but unfortunately your coins have the same face on both sides...everything is about the fears of the tcs...

further more you would rather take your car to the mechanic on weekly basis ratrher than forking money and getting the vehicle fixed once and for all...

all I am saying we have a chance and put the whole mess behind us in a one hit...a one plan and let democrasy and the rule of law take care of the misfits...but you wanna do it in stages causing resentment along the way with either side...good luck...

above you talk about having an open mind...no offence but I think you are confused bir...

boomers,people here have such closed minds that they will always doubt whatever anyone with a different perspective says about anything..What is the point of me giving you any eyewitness account,if you will only dismiss it as hearsay,like another certain person...You are the last person who can accuse me of being one-sided...I might be confused about many things,life has that effect on those who are open to it,but i know what I stand for,and I know how much empathy and compassion i have for the GCs...The trouble is,after a while,if all you see is people attacking your community with prejudice and blind hatred,you have to day "enough,hear the other side of this story"..But I am wasting my time,you guys do not want to hear anything..You are happy with your blind hatred of all things Turkish and TC...I no longer blame Viewpoint for not trusting you..You people are dangerous,and even I cannot advocate a full scale democratic unitary state solution for Cyprus any longer...Go figure..

[Bananiot]

Forgive GR Birkibrisli. He has completely lost it since his protege died politically in 2007 when he came 3rd in the elections. The rest are just a bunch of fascists and you simply flatter them with your politeness for they'd rather have you insult them. You see they cannot cope with real people.

[Piratis]

That Turkey woke up one day and decided it was a nice day to drop some napalm on Cyprus???

Bir, Turkey had a plan for the partition of Cyprus since the 50s. They didn't just wake up on morning ...

I don't know the exact facts of that story, but my best guess is that Turkey dropped those 500 people there so later she could come to "save" them by killing innocent GCs. 500 people would not move from Turkey to Cyprus without the knowledge of the Turkish army.

But why deny the actual facts on the day???The bombing was a direct response to the attack on the TC enclave...There were people lining up to watch the massacre of the TCs...I know you are finding his incredible today,but closing your mind to it will not change the facts...All I am saying is this :let us all try to be open minded about the facts and the events,not in denial that only one side is capale of attrocities,only one side is guilty of crimes against humanity...If you keep justifying everything,finding excuses to clear your side of any wrong doing,we will not get anywhere...That is the biggest obstacle to peace in Cyprus...Both sides paint themselves whiter than white..Both sides accuse the other one of everything under the sun...When both sides truly accept their part in this mess,we might find a way out...Not before..

We accepted our part in the mess Bir. But I have 2 questions for you:

1) How much responsibility the GC side has?
2) How does the past excuse the TCs from demanding yet more gains and privileges for themselves on the expense of our human and democratic rights?

[boomerang]

Bir talks about objectivity and then when you wanna discuss anything about tcs he comes out with you do not understand and gives you the run around...this is quite evident when I asked for the eyewitness account....then he proceeds to tell us his own eyewitness account as being gospel...well Bir if we gonna hear your eyewitness account why not others...then you proceeded to tell us you never l;ookwed at the pictures coz you get ill...is this your version of objectivity bir?...I do not buy it...

further more Bir pounds continously about the tc fears, well Bir have you stopped and thought for a minute the gcs fears...like turkey guarantees?...you think a person with a sound mind, a gc, will vote for a solution that includes a turkey guarantee...

bir there is always 2 sides to every coin, but unfortunately your coins have the same face on both sides...everything is about the fears of the tcs...

further more you would rather take your car to the mechanic on weekly basis ratrher than forking money and getting the vehicle fixed once and for all...

all I am saying we have a chance and put the whole mess behind us in a one hit...a one plan and let democrasy and the rule of law take care of the misfits...but you wanna do it in stages causing resentment along the way with either side...good luck...

above you talk about having an open mind...no offence but I think you are confused bir...

boomers,people here have such closed minds that they will always doubt whatever anyone with a different perspective says about anything..What is the point of me giving you any eyewitness account,if you will only dismiss it as hearsay,like another certain person...You are the last person who can accuse me of being one-sided...I might be confused about many things,life has that effect on those who are open to it,but i know what I stand for,and I know how much empathy and compassion i have for the GCs...The trouble is,after a while,if all you see is people attacking your community with prejudice and blind hatred,you have to day "enough,hear the other side of this story"..But I am wasting my time,you guys do not want to hear anything..You are happy with your blind hatred of all things Turkish and TC...I no longer blame Viewpoint for not trusting you..You people are dangerous,and even I cannot advocate a full scale democratic unitary state solution for Cyprus any longer...Go figure..

bir you are drama queen...

I never took sides with anyone...all I always said fix the problem once and for,unlike you that wants to keep going to the mechanic every week, I stand for democracy, human rights and a truth commision...after 400 odd years the tcs are a part to the island, partt of it's colourfull heritage...so in short what the fuck are you talking about mate...unless ofcourse you want me to close my eyes to propaganda...is this it?...

bir like you I tasted a better system and nothing wrong for wanting the same for my homeland...I will not stand for any short change...

Bir the aboriginals suffered a lot more than the intercommunal fighting and yet again bir...fill the blanks for your self...

on the closed eyes bir...it is you that advocates listen to the tc fears while you will not listen to the gc fears...for example on the turkey guarentee...you wanna force a turkey guarantee down the gcs throat...

how about 2, 3, 4, 5 ,6 states as before...it doesn't have to be greek and turkish states...if we are gonna be cypriots what is the point of adopting anything else...

so go easy on the accusations...

... I do not dismiss nothing bir...what I do dismiss is straight out bullshit and propaganda...ie, the museum...you on the other hand not only dismissing the Afrika article, and without even looking at the nicely arranged pictures...well Bir I looked at the scene of the crime and read the testimony...now if you believe in the rule of law the whole thing stinks to high heaven....so in short how the hell can you accuse anyone with an opinion while you dismiss the evidence outright?...

as tim said you wanna bring out an example of an attrocity, there are plenty of clear cut examples you can bring forward, not that will do anyone any good with out a truth commision...

[boomerang]

Forgive GR Birkibrisli. He has completely lost it since his protege died politically in 2007 when he came 3rd in the elections. The rest are just a bunch of fascists and you simply flatter them with your politeness for they'd rather have you insult them. You see they cannot cope with real people.

bananiot you are a first class moron...and you are a teacher?...I pity your students with putting up with such an idiotic attitude...you are the one that voted for the annan plan, and to this very day you have yet accepted the end result...you branded everyone a fascist for not voting yes...get a fucking life bananiot...