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[bill cobbett]

Forgive me if I use the Dome Hotel in Kyrenia as a convenient example to ask a question. There are many other hotels in the Occupied North which fall into a category of Stolen Hotels for which this post applies. They are listed at

http://www.cyprusembassy.net/home/index ... odule=page

The Dome Hotel, Kyrenia features in a number of travel sites based here in GB and elsewhere which offer holidays to the Occupied Areas and where visitors can stay at a large selection of hotels. Increasingly these visitors are flying in to LCA on non-stop flights and are being bussed through the cease-fire line to their final destinations.

Must say straightaway that no discussion on the Dome Hotel, Kyrenia is complete without a reference to its use in the weeks after the Turkish Invasion as a concentration prison, where several hundred people, pows, but in the main refugee families forced at gunpoint from their homes were held and as you can imagine they weren't given the Honeymoon Suites.

On this subject, from the ECHR ....
(c) The Commission, by ten votes against two with two abstentions, finally concludes that, by the confinement of Greek Cypriots to the Kyrenia Dome Hotel after 14 August 1974, Turkey has again violated Art. 5(1). (....that's the Right to Liberty article ....)

No discussion on The Dome, Kyrenia is worth having unless we raise the question of ownership. Well it belonged, it belongs and always will belong (until such time as they decide otherwise) to the Katsellis Family and is one of the some 1,400 cases still pending before the ECHR.

But according to the Volkan newspaper, post 74 it passed to the ever-present Evkaf and they in turn passed it over to a firm by the name of BEGA (Cyprus) Trading Co of which a Ozan Ceyhun is a shareholder.... (as reported to CF by our Rafaella) ....

"Volkan reports that Former German MEP of Turkish origin is owner of occupied Dome Hotel
To whom Dome Hotel was given?” Turkish Cypriot daily Volkan newspaper (15.12.07) reports the following in its column “Baykus”
“Plenty important news continues to come from our owls. According to information, Dome Hotel which is property of Evkaf was given without bidding to a company by the name ‘BEGA (Cyprus) trading Company. According to investigation made by our owls, the former parliamentarian of the European Parliament, Ozan Ceyhun is among the big shareholders of the BEGA Company. According also to information given by our owls, there are very close relations between Ozan Ceyhun and CTP General Chairman, prime-minister Soyer. http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/A ... enDocument

Which begs a question (not the question, be patient), what determined that this company got a lease on the Dome? Can't help but be of the opinion that this is an illustration of the endemic corruption in Tnucland with the richer pickings going as rewards for political loyalty to senior members of Tnucland parties or in the Mainland parties whilst the rest of the tissies are left to endure the tear-gas of the Turkish-paid 'police" to get decent living wages.

Now as far as Roc law goes, the situation is very, very clear. Not only does the Katsellis family own the Dome, those who interfere with their ownership are committing criminal acts....

This from .... http://www.cyprusembassy.net/home/index ... odule=page ........

..."Under Cyprus Law, Greek Cypriot property owners may bring legal actions before the competent Courts of the Republic against trespassers to their properties in the Turkish-occupied area, claiming damages and other legal remedies available to them under civil law. Judgments issued in favour of lawful property owners shall be recognized and enforced against property/assets of the defendants/judgment debtors in any EU member State, under the provisions of EC Regulation No.44/2001.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus conveys a strong warning message to foreign citizens who wish to travel to the occupied part of Cyprus, that staying in the listed Greek Cypriot owned hotels or in hotels which have been built on Greek Cypriot property without the consent of the owners, is illegal and contributes and/or assists in the illegal exploitation/usurpation of Greek Cypriot properties contrary to domestic and/or International Law. Such foreign citizens are, therefore, advised to seek accommodation in hotels and other establishments lawfully owned by Turkish Cypriots...."

We are increasingly seeing that the increasingly long arm of the law of the Republic is reaching in to the other EU countries. This is a situation which will be much enhanced by the new facilities offered by the system of European Arrest Warrants coming to a place near you in the Spring of next year.

These warrants will not apply to some or all of the Hotel Stealers, who for will remain out of direct reach, but they will apply to almost all their customers. Clients, travellers and holiday-makers, who, as said, are increasingly landing at LCA. At present, of course, no travellers are being searched for travel documents that may show stays in Stolen Hotels, no holiday-makers are being arrested, and here (at last!!!) is the question... ...are some travel companies not being honest with their customers, not making them aware of the potential problems their stay in the north may cause for them, by placing these customers at risk of being arrested for criminal trespass?

(The list of hotels at the top link also gives a list of tissy hotels, I have no problem with tissy-owned hotels and neither, according to the link, does the RoC)

[Expatkiwi]

Not overly surprising, this.

[vaughanwilliams]

About how much revenue would you say would by lost to the RoC economy if everyone travelling to TRNC stopped using Larnaca and used Ercan instead? People only use LCA because it is convenient and often cheaper. The threat of arrest might convince the travelling public that it ain't worth it. Just what CTA needs, I'd say.

[YFred]

About how much revenue would you say would by lost to the RoC economy if everyone travelling to TRNC stopped using Larnaca and used Ercan instead? People only use LCA because it is convenient and often cheaper. The threat of arrest might convince the travelling public that it ain't worth it. Just what CTA needs, I'd say.

All go along with that, please arrest every single one of them.

[miltiades]

About how much revenue would you say would by lost to the RoC economy if everyone travelling to TRNC stopped using Larnaca and used Ercan instead? People only use LCA because it is convenient and often cheaper. The threat of arrest might convince the travelling public that it ain't worth it. Just what CTA needs, I'd say.

You , as well as the overwhelming majority of cheapskates are the sworn enemies of the island of Cyprus and its people. Having followed the CY44 forum for some time now I have seen the sheer ferocity of hatred directed against the G/Cs spurned on by your selfish financial interests that dictate that Turkey must annex the occupied part of this island.Your indifference to the plight of 160 thousand plus refugees who had their properties confiscated , usurped and sold to cheap ignorant Brits such as you is beyond comprehension. You are there not for the love of the inhabitants but out of sheer greed.
Yes , you should be arrested for entering the island of Cyprus and joining forces with the sworn enemies of this island and this enemy IS NOT the T/Cs . Someone on the CY 44 forum , and he meant it , posted that the Brits living in the occupied parts ought to establish a "dad's army" unit to fight the G/Cs.
You cheap little shits , your time will come.

[vaughanwilliams]

So, would it be fair to say you feel quite strongly on the subject?

[SKI-preo]

The truth is , Vaughan Williams if you had any money to your name you would have bought a property with legal title instead you bought an ethnically cleansed property. Do you think that the current status quo or a solution based on ethnic cleansing is safe to real estate values? One nut case or fruit loop (maybe like this Fatma K woman) could commit a couple of pin prick attacks sending the value of the home you live in to plummet.(You don't actually own it anyway) At the end of the the 40,000 turkish troops walking around CYprus are largely 18 year old conscript Mummy's boys. One lunatic volunteer terrorist could destabilize the entire property market in occupied Cyprus in the absence of a solution which confers justice to the individual human rights of the ethnically cleansed of Cyprus. All Fatma would have to do is buy some brake fluid and Pool Chlorine .Kaboomuhumad! They say EOKA consisted of about 107 trigger happy adventurers and they had 30,000 British Soldiers shitting themselves. EOKA B consisted of less than 50 people look what they did and they weren't even stirred up by ethnic cleansing.

[YFred]

The truth is , Vaughan Williams if you had any money to your name you would have bought a property with legal title instead you bought an ethnically cleansed property. Do you think that the current status quo or a solution based on ethnic cleansing is safe to real estate values? One nut case or fruit loop (maybe like this Fatma K woman) could commit a couple of pin prick attacks sending the value of the home you live in to plummet.(You don't actually own it anyway) At the end of the the 40,000 turkish troops walking around CYprus are largely 18 year old conscript Mummy's boys. One lunatic volunteer terrorist could destabilize the entire property market in occupied Cyprus in the absence of a solution which confers justice to the individual human rights of the ethnically cleansed of Cyprus. All Fatma would have to do is buy some brake fluid and Pool Chlorine .Kaboomuhumad! They say EOKA consisted of about 107 trigger happy adventurers and they had 30,000 British Soldiers shitting themselves. EOKA B consisted of less than 50 people look what they did and they weren't even stirred up by ethnic cleansing.

What, Eoka-B was less than 50. There was more around Lurucina alone. Who are you kidding.
If Eoka could have started anything, in 35 years they would have done. Fact is, there is a risk that if they start anything, it will only give an excuse to Turkey to take the whole island. And they know it.

[SKI-preo]

" it will only give an excuse to Turkey to take the whole island." What if the lunatic had nothing to loose. Maybe a lunatic only has property in the occupied area. For this spastic things cannot necessarily get worse. Do you really think Turkey would like more problems like it has suffered because of its ethnic cleansing in 1974? It would also be much harder for Turkey to ethnically cleanse the entire Island is Turkey going to push 700,000 odd Greeks into the sea? Cyprus is an Island.

[Oracle]

About how much revenue would you say would by lost to the RoC economy if everyone travelling to TRNC stopped using Larnaca and used Ercan instead? People only use LCA because it is convenient and often cheaper. The threat of arrest might convince the travelling public that it ain't worth it. Just what CTA needs, I'd say.

"Cyprus Turkish Airlines" have not been given rights to fly straight to "Ercan" ... how long before their "right to fly over RoC airspace" is deemed unacceptable and they are suspended altogether?