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[denizaksulu]

Fatma K- what does the K stand for?

Kemal?

Some disgruntled Settler annoyed she was ethnically cleansed from Anatolia as part of Turkish expansionist plans ...

It just goes to show how little you know about TCs or Turks. That's a first name not a surname.

Before He became Ataturk, he was Mustafa Kemal.

Kemal was a SECOND name given to him by his maths teacher and is not his surname

No one clained that Kemal was his surname. It was a name given to him by his teacher - as there already was another Mustafa in his class. Kemal was chosen because he WAS Kemal.

Welcome back btw Zan. I hope you are keeping well (in this weather) cough, cough. (thats me - I am not taking the mickey).

[zan]

Fatma K- what does the K stand for?

Kemal?

Some disgruntled Settler annoyed she was ethnically cleansed from Anatolia as part of Turkish expansionist plans ...

It just goes to show how little you know about TCs or Turks. That's a first name not a surname.

Before He became Ataturk, he was Mustafa Kemal.

Kemal was a SECOND name given to him by his maths teacher and is not his surname

No one clained that Kemal was his surname. It was a name given to him by his teacher - as there already was another Mustafa in his class. Kemal was chosen because he WAS Kemal.

Welcome back btw Zan. I hope you are keeping well (in this weather) cough, cough. (thats me - I am not taking the mickey).

It reads that way though Deniz

Keeping well so far....Had two flu jabs. A normal seasonal one and the first of the swine flu......Good thing too as I visit at least three homes a day with everyone sniffing and coughing... Sorry to read about your cough.

[Kikapu]

Fatma K- what does the K stand for?

Kemal?

Some disgruntled Settler annoyed she was ethnically cleansed from Anatolia as part of Turkish expansionist plans ...

It just goes to show how little you know about TCs or Turks. That's a first name not a surname.

Really.??

Does Mustafa Kemal ring a bell.???

Yep, in 1881. Do we still have anybody who has a christian name as a surname? Actually we do. I have christian name in UK for a surname and some of the TCs who moved to UK before 74 do too. But not in Cyprus, they all took surnames, including the YFred clan, does that explain it reh Yerogostagui.

How long are you going to carry on with this obsession of yours? I don't mind, I have a good laugh, but it can't be doing you any good. You really should sikdir some help.

You really need to stop getting all your information from Google, Küçük, and even when you do, you need to sort them out before you give it to us as your own.!

1881.? Hardly, since he was not born as a "Kemal".!

Your question was, that Turks and TCs do not have Kemal as a last name, which is not correct as I pointed out. It does not matter Kemal was given to him later on in his life because what is important is that he kept it as his last name for the rest of his life. Therefore, Mustafa Kemal had his last name to be Kemal and there are many TCs with such names as Kemal as their last name, regardless how the north tried to erase TCs identification after 1974 by forcing them to take on another last name.

Ask any Turkish speaking person what was Atatürk's name and see if they will give you anything other than Mustafa Kemal. I would be very shocked if they said to you Mustafa Riza.!!!!. Also, you live in the UK, so why don't you look in the phone book and see how many Kemal's comes up as a last name. Just because some TCs took on a new last name by force in the north does not mean they have given up their true identification outside the "trnc". They still have their Birth Certificates with their True Names on and Kemal being as their last name. All their documents, including passports all have their original names. Only once they are in the "trnc", they use the names that they were forced to accept. I still have my 2 first names (Christian names) just as you and every other Cypriot who were born before 1974 and no fascist from the north is going to make me give one of them up.!

[insan]

Fatma K- what does the K stand for?

Kemal?

Some disgruntled Settler annoyed she was ethnically cleansed from Anatolia as part of Turkish expansionist plans ...

It just goes to show how little you know about TCs or Turks. That's a first name not a surname.

Really.??

Does Mustafa Kemal ring a bell.???

Yep, in 1881. Do we still have anybody who has a christian name as a surname? Actually we do. I have christian name in UK for a surname and some of the TCs who moved to UK before 74 do too. But not in Cyprus, they all took surnames, including the YFred clan, does that explain it reh Yerogostagui.

How long are you going to carry on with this obsession of yours? I don't mind, I have a good laugh, but it can't be doing you any good. You really should sikdir some help.

You really need to stop getting all your information from Google, Küçük, and even when you do, you need to sort them out before you give it to us as your own.!

1881.? Hardly, since he was not born as a "Kemal".!

Your question was, that Turks and TCs do not have Kemal as a last name, which is not correct as I pointed out. It does not matter Kemal was given to him later on in his life because what is important is that he kept it as his last name for the rest of his life. Therefore, Mustafa Kemal had his last name to be Kemal and there are many TCs with such names as Kemal as their last name, regardless how the north tried to erase TCs identification after 1974 by forcing them to take on another last name.

Ask any Turkish speaking person what was Atatürk's name and see if they will give you anything other than Mustafa Kemal. I would be very shocked if they said to you Mustafa Riza.!!!!. Also, you live in the UK, so why don't you look in the phone book and see how many Kemal's comes up as a last name. Just because some TCs took on a new last name by force in the north does not mean they have given up their true identification outside the "trnc". They still have their Birth Certificates with their True Names on and Kemal being as their last name. All their documents, including passports all have their original names. Only once they are in the "trnc", they use the names that they were forced to accept. I still have my 2 first names (Christian names) just as you and every other Cypriot who were born before 1974 and no fascist from the north is going to make me give one of them up.!

I didn't know that u r a linobambaki... Shouldn't u consider the surname law in frame of one of Ataturk's Turkicification movement?

Using the ancestors names as a surname was something belong to Arab culture...

though obtaining new surnames shouldn't be compulsory if it was... i don't have any info if it was compulsory for all... was it Kikapu?

[Oracle]

Stop arguing over a name



... with thanks to AlexISS.

[Kikapu]

I didn't know that u r a linobambaki... Shouldn't u consider the surname law in frame of one of Ataturk's Turkicification movement?

So, what does that have anything with what I'm talking about. I don't have a problem of TCs having last names (family names) but the way it was forced onto the TCs after 1974. What was done, was to force the TCs to create a new last name for themselves which had to be unique so that almost another family's last name would not be the same as yours. Now, people could have used their already last names to become their family name, but that was not allowed. Of course, those with power and influence kept their own names and forced others who were down the totem pole who had the same name as theirs, to be changed to something else that was totally foreign to them.

Using the ancestors names as a surname was something belong to Arab culture...

So what are you saying, that the TCs and the Turks have been "Arabs" all this time until the changes made in Turkey in the 30's and the 70's in the north with the adaptation of surnames.!! Are we now Christians just because we have surnames now, or what. I don’t see your point at all, Insan.

though obtaining new surnames shouldn't be compulsory if it was... i don't have any info if it was compulsory for all... was it Kikapu?

Insan, I have to say, that for someone who claims to live in the north and is a TC, your above statement has caused me to have two thoughts about you. You are either a settler who did not had to go with the name change issue at all, therefore it was not a factor for you to know anything about it or that you are a very young TC person whose parents already had to make the forced name chance before you were born or that you were too young to remember, so which is it, Insan.???

[insan]

I didn't know that u r a linobambaki... Shouldn't u consider the surname law in frame of one of Ataturk's Turkicification movement?

So, what does that have anything with what I'm talking about. I don't have a problem of TCs having last names (family names) but the way it was forced onto the TCs after 1974. What was done, was to force the TCs to create a new last name for themselves which had to be unique so that almost another family's last name would not be the same as yours. Now, people could have used their already last names to become their family name, but that was not allowed. Of course, those with power and influence kept their own names and forced others who were down the totem pole who had the same name as theirs, to be changed to something else that was totally foreign to them.

Using the ancestors names as a surname was something belong to Arab culture...

So what are you saying, that the TCs and the Turks have been "Arabs" all this time until the changes made in Turkey in the 30's and the 70's in the north with the adaptation of surnames.!! Are we now Christians just because we have surnames now, or what. I don’t see your point at all, Insan.

though obtaining new surnames shouldn't be compulsory if it was... i don't have any info if it was compulsory for all... was it Kikapu?

Insan, I have to say, that for someone who claims to live in the north and is a TC, your above statement has caused me to have two thoughts about you. You are either a settler who did not had to go with the name change issue at all, therefore it was not a factor for you to know anything about it or that you are a very young TC person whose parents already had to make the forced name chance before you were born or that you were too young to remember, so which is it, Insan.???

I remember when my family changed their surname but i was too young to question why they changed it.

When i became an adult and began questioning some issues, then i realized that it was related with Ataturk's revolutions and modenization movement.

I don't remember any of my family members complained abt surname change... neither i remember anyone in my family environment was against the surname change...

However I agree with u that it shouldn't be compulsary so that TCs like u could keep their family names as a surname.

Though there r still so many TCs have their family names as a surname. This means it wasn't compulsory?

[Kikapu]

I didn't know that u r a linobambaki... Shouldn't u consider the surname law in frame of one of Ataturk's Turkicification movement?

So, what does that have anything with what I'm talking about. I don't have a problem of TCs having last names (family names) but the way it was forced onto the TCs after 1974. What was done, was to force the TCs to create a new last name for themselves which had to be unique so that almost another family's last name would not be the same as yours. Now, people could have used their already last names to become their family name, but that was not allowed. Of course, those with power and influence kept their own names and forced others who were down the totem pole who had the same name as theirs, to be changed to something else that was totally foreign to them.

Using the ancestors names as a surname was something belong to Arab culture...

So what are you saying, that the TCs and the Turks have been "Arabs" all this time until the changes made in Turkey in the 30's and the 70's in the north with the adaptation of surnames.!! Are we now Christians just because we have surnames now, or what. I don’t see your point at all, Insan.

though obtaining new surnames shouldn't be compulsory if it was... i don't have any info if it was compulsory for all... was it Kikapu?

Insan, I have to say, that for someone who claims to live in the north and is a TC, your above statement has caused me to have two thoughts about you. You are either a settler who did not had to go with the name change issue at all, therefore it was not a factor for you to know anything about it or that you are a very young TC person whose parents already had to make the forced name chance before you were born or that you were too young to remember, so which is it, Insan.???

I remember when my family changed their surname but i was too young to question why they changed it.

That would make sense.!

When i became an adult and began questioning some issues, then i realized that it was related with Ataturk's revolutions and modenization movement.

What does Ataturk’s so called "revolution and modernization movement" has anything to do with the TCs.? If it was important to the TCs, they could have went along with the "revolution" when Turkey became a state in 1923. Obviously the TCs couldn't have cared less about Ataturk’s "revolution". No, the only reason the changes started to happen in 1974 after Turkey had invaded and occupied the north was to start the progress of Turkifying the north by making the TCs take on surnames that were same to similar to all those who were coming from Anatolia as settlers in order to decimate the TC culture and identity and to force theirs onto the TCs, and of course the TCs went along with it like a heard of sheep into the slaughter house, just because they believed everything their leaders sold them without asking any questions. I have some family members in Cyprus who took on new names that I wouldn't name my dog with, just because they could not keep their original names.

I don't remember any of my family members complained abt surname change... neither i remember anyone in my family environment was against the surname change...

Well Insan, as you said, you were too young to remember and your family more than likely also went along with what their leaders pushed on them. They were perhaps in no position to complain what so ever, or else.!

However I agree with u that it shouldn't be compulsary so that TCs like u could keep their family names as a surname.

My brother and I did keep our original family names as surnames long time ago in the UK and that’s the way it will stay from here on. Again, I'm not against surnames, just that TCs were forced to make up unique names from anyone else’s, that it no longer had any Cypriot touch to it but a total foreign names instead. But I'm curious what happens when these TCs who did the name changes and were born before 1974 and had applied to RoC passports, just what names were they able to use, since their birth certificates would be different than the names they took on later in life. I can't imagine RoC giving passports to the TCs with a different names than what's on their birth certificate. Any ideas, Insan.

Though there r still so many TCs have their family names as a surname. This means it wasn't compulsory?

I wouldn't know, other than the ones who live abroad still uses their original family names and perhaps even in the north by many, except in a official capacity where they use their new names. Do I want to have an original family name as Kemal, Hasan, Emir or do I want to have a made up name such as Demirçioglu, Kebabçioglu, Kasapçioglu and so on with many variations spelt differently of such names. The last three names are way too Anatolian for me I'm afraid. And of course, those with power and influence never had to chance their names, because they made others change theirs instead, which meant that their names became unique also from what use to be common name.

[insan]

I didn't know that u r a linobambaki... Shouldn't u consider the surname law in frame of one of Ataturk's Turkicification movement?

So, what does that have anything with what I'm talking about. I don't have a problem of TCs having last names (family names) but the way it was forced onto the TCs after 1974. What was done, was to force the TCs to create a new last name for themselves which had to be unique so that almost another family's last name would not be the same as yours. Now, people could have used their already last names to become their family name, but that was not allowed. Of course, those with power and influence kept their own names and forced others who were down the totem pole who had the same name as theirs, to be changed to something else that was totally foreign to them.

Using the ancestors names as a surname was something belong to Arab culture...

So what are you saying, that the TCs and the Turks have been "Arabs" all this time until the changes made in Turkey in the 30's and the 70's in the north with the adaptation of surnames.!! Are we now Christians just because we have surnames now, or what. I don’t see your point at all, Insan.

though obtaining new surnames shouldn't be compulsory if it was... i don't have any info if it was compulsory for all... was it Kikapu?

Insan, I have to say, that for someone who claims to live in the north and is a TC, your above statement has caused me to have two thoughts about you. You are either a settler who did not had to go with the name change issue at all, therefore it was not a factor for you to know anything about it or that you are a very young TC person whose parents already had to make the forced name chance before you were born or that you were too young to remember, so which is it, Insan.???

I remember when my family changed their surname but i was too young to question why they changed it.

That would make sense.!

When i became an adult and began questioning some issues, then i realized that it was related with Ataturk's revolutions and modenization movement.

What does Ataturk’s so called "revolution and modernization movement" has anything to do with the TCs.? If it was important to the TCs, they could have went along with the "revolution" when Turkey became a state in 1923. Obviously the TCs couldn't have cared less about Ataturk’s "revolution". No, the only reason the changes started to happen in 1974 after Turkey had invaded and occupied the north was to start the progress of Turkifying the north by making the TCs take on surnames that were same to similar to all those who were coming from Anatolia as settlers in order to decimate the TC culture and identity and to force theirs onto the TCs, and of course the TCs went along with it like a heard of sheep into the slaughter house, just because they believed everything their leaders sold them without asking any questions. I have some family members in Cyprus who took on new names that I wouldn't name my dog with, just because they could not keep their original names.

I don't remember any of my family members complained abt surname change... neither i remember anyone in my family environment was against the surname change...

Well Insan, as you said, you were too young to remember and your family more than likely also went along with what their leaders pushed on them. They were perhaps in no position to complain what so ever, or else.!

However I agree with u that it shouldn't be compulsary so that TCs like u could keep their family names as a surname.

My brother and I did keep our original family names as surnames long time ago in the UK and that’s the way it will stay from here on. Again, I'm not against surnames, just that TCs were forced to make up unique names from anyone else’s, that it no longer had any Cypriot touch to it but a total foreign names instead. But I'm curious what happens when these TCs who did the name changes and were born before 1974 and had applied to RoC passports, just what names were they able to use, since their birth certificates would be different than the names they took on later in life. I can't imagine RoC giving passports to the TCs with a different names than what's on their birth certificate. Any ideas, Insan.

Though there r still so many TCs have their family names as a surname. This means it wasn't compulsory?

I wouldn't know, other than the ones who live abroad still uses their original family names and perhaps even in the north by many, except in a official capacity where they use their new names. Do I want to have an original family name as Kemal, Hasan, Emir or do I want to have a made up name such as Demirçioglu, Kebabçioglu, Kasapçioglu and so on with many variations spelt differently of such names. The last three names are way too Anatolian for me I'm afraid. And of course, those with power and influence never had to chance their names, because they made others change theirs instead, which meant that their names became unique also from what use to be common name.

The Ataturk revolutions and modernization movement had a great influence on TC community in especially 30s and afterwards. For example hat and dress revolution, using the latin alphabet instead of Arab alphabet etc.

Just like Greek nationalism appeared in Cyprus after the Greek independence war, Turkish nationalism and it's influence on TC community appeared after; even during the Turkish independence war.

In my opinion, those TCs who considered themselves as descendants of Turks or Turkish origin were willing to embrace and spread the Ataturk revolutions among TC community... Was there something wrong with it, in age of nationalism? I think it's not...

I personally am against imposition of national values and principles on citizens of a country but it seems during the natinalization of nation states almost all countries imposed their national values and principles on their citizens regardless of ethnic origin of their citizens...

Before the surname law passed, a TC was called, eg; Ahmet(Son) Mehmet(Father) Zekai(Grand father)... after the surname law passed; either Mr. Mehmet chose a new surname or kept Zekai as his surname and became Mehmet Zekai and his son became Ahmet Zekai.

If Mr. Mehmet was the first who registered the surname as Zekai; others who wanted to choose the same surname were not allowed to register the same surname bcz one of the purpose of surname law was to elliminate the difficulties arise from people owning the same name and surnames.

[denizaksulu]

Any updates on the poor 'terrorist' who deigned to blow up the Turkish Embassy. Has she confessed to her dastardly, evil intentions under the falaka yet?

Halil, what is the latest? or did I miss the announcement of her execution?


On my uncles' (dob 1902) early school documents he is referred to as ebu-ul-muhsin. When he ( RIP) went to the Idadi (in Nicosia) it was changed to the Cypriot nomenclature. We do not have any Arab antecedents as far as I know.
Later he was encouraged to take on a surname.