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[Malapapa]

Sorry, Expat. It is you who is in denial of the Cypriot people's indomitable spirit. You need to recognise the resilience and endurance of Cypriots; forged over the aeons. They will never accept the division of their island. If you're not Cypriot yourself, you may not understand.

I think that it is precisely the reason I can see things like I do: I'm not 'tainted', so to speak by the situation, and thus can look at it a little bit more dispassionately... at least IMHO.

Perhaps outsiders need to show a little more compassion for the aspirations of the vast majority of the island's proud people. I wouldn't advocate the dismemberment of any sovereign country if its people were dead-set against it.

[Expatkiwi]

Sorry, Expat. It is you who is in denial of the Cypriot people's indomitable spirit. You need to recognise the resilience and endurance of Cypriots; forged over the aeons. They will never accept the division of their island. If you're not Cypriot yourself, you may not understand.

I think that it is precisely the reason I can see things like I do: I'm not 'tainted', so to speak by the situation, and thus can look at it a little bit more dispassionately... at least IMHO.

Perhaps outsiders need to show a little more compassion for the aspirations of the vast majority of the island's proud people. I wouldn't advocate the dismemberment of any sovereign country if its people were dead-set against it.

If the rationale for being against it wasn't dead wrong, then perhaps I would be more sympathetic. The phrase "Greek Island" to describe Cyprus certainly is far from being dead and buried in the past, and given a basic human trait called "revenge", don't you think that the Turkish Cypriots wouldn't exactly be expecting hugs and kisses from the Greek Cypriot side? "Cyprus for Cypriots" sounds great and ideal, but when there are differing ideas as to what constitutes a Cypriot, the ideal gets rapidly flushed down the toilet...

[Malapapa]

Perhaps outsiders need to show a little more compassion for the aspirations of the vast majority of the island's proud people. I wouldn't advocate the dismemberment of any sovereign country if its people were dead-set against it.

If the rationale for being against it wasn't dead wrong, then perhaps I would be more sympathetic.

The rationale for the Cypriot people not wanting their country dismembered is not dead wrong; it's the same as for any other people.

The phrase "Greek Island" to describe Cyprus certainly is far from being dead and buried in the past,

Perhaps, but Enosis is not being pursued by any mainstream political party in either Greece or Cyprus. (Even though political parties in the north and presumably Turkey still advocate Taksim). This is no reason for why an outsider should be arguing to dismember Cyprus which is now in the EU and a partner of Greece.

and given a basic human trait called "revenge", don't you think that the Turkish Cypriots wouldn't exactly be expecting hugs and kisses from the Greek Cypriot side?

I think this is what viewpoint is alluding to when he bangs on about "safeguards". Clearly he has a guilty conscience. I think this fear is exaggerated given how few such revenge acts have taken place since the Green Line was opened.

This, again, is no reason for why an outsider should be arguing for the dismemberment of Cyprus; although I accept that reunification needs to be a process rather than a single act, to minimise incidences of revenge and to allay people's fears.

"Cyprus for Cypriots" sounds great and ideal, but when there are differing ideas as to what constitutes a Cypriot, the ideal gets rapidly flushed down the toilet...

The definition of a Cypriot is one eligible for Cypriot citizenship. End of story.

[Expatkiwi]

Malapapa, I wish I could feel the same way as to your hopes for peaceful reconciliation. I'm rather more pessimistic as to the odds of that happening.

[Malapapa]

Malapapa, I wish I could feel the same way as to your hopes for peaceful reconciliation. I'm rather more pessimistic as to the odds of that happening.

Fair enough, I don't blame you for being pessimistic. But pessimistic outsiders shouldn't be advocating the dismemberment of Cyprus, against the will of the vast majority of its people, and on both sides of the current divide.

[Oracle]

Malapapa, I wish I could feel the same way as to your hopes for peaceful reconciliation. I'm rather more pessimistic as to the odds of that happening.

Who gives a damn what you feel ... it's not about you (or your "integrity"). Worry about your work and family and we'll worry about our country!

[Expatkiwi]

Malapapa, I wish I could feel the same way as to your hopes for peaceful reconciliation. I'm rather more pessimistic as to the odds of that happening.

Who gives a damn what you feel ... it's not about you (or your "integrity"). Worry about your work and family and we'll worry about our country!

Oracle, this is a public forum, and I'm participating in itbecause the forum allows me to do so. You and others have accused me of being (at best) uninformed and (at worst) nothing but a pathetic joke. Yet the way that you and others have responded to my posts and opinions indicate that you are taking me more seriously than you care to admit. Why am I such a threat to you all, if this is indeed the case? I'm just one person who has an opinion on the Cyprus Problem.

[DT.]

Sorry, Expat. It is you who is in denial of the Cypriot people's indomitable spirit. You need to recognise the resilience and endurance of Cypriots; forged over the aeons. They will never accept the division of their island. If you're not Cypriot yourself, you may not understand.

I think that it is precisely the reason I can see things like I do: I'm not 'tainted', so to speak by the situation, and thus can look at it a little bit more dispassionately... at least IMHO.

Perhaps outsiders need to show a little more compassion for the aspirations of the vast majority of the island's proud people. I wouldn't advocate the dismemberment of any sovereign country if its people were dead-set against it.

If the rationale for being against it wasn't dead wrong, then perhaps I would be more sympathetic. The phrase "Greek Island" to describe Cyprus certainly is far from being dead and buried in the past, and given a basic human trait called "revenge", don't you think that the Turkish Cypriots wouldn't exactly be expecting hugs and kisses from the Greek Cypriot side? "Cyprus for Cypriots" sounds great and ideal, but when there are differing ideas as to what constitutes a Cypriot, the ideal gets rapidly flushed down the toilet...

Thats a funny thing to say considering you've been claiming that the TC
s have done no wrong? Why would the GC's want revenge?

[Oracle]

Malapapa, I wish I could feel the same way as to your hopes for peaceful reconciliation. I'm rather more pessimistic as to the odds of that happening.

Who gives a damn what you feel ... it's not about you (or your "integrity"). Worry about your work and family and we'll worry about our country!

Oracle, this is a public forum, and I'm participating in itbecause the forum allows me to do so. You and others have accused me of being (at best) uninformed and (at worst) nothing but a pathetic joke. Yet the way that you and others have responded to my posts and opinions indicate that you are taking me more seriously than you care to admit. Why am I such a threat to you all, if this is indeed the case? I'm just one person who has an opinion on the Cyprus Problem.

I'm not saying you shouldn't debate; but your unfounded personal opinions (without back-up evidence) are useless! Your stance of sticking to "integrity" over what your "friends" tell you is ludicrous and your whole approach is childish. Most of us have had personal experience when we comment about feelings. In debates we argue evidence. You have neither. That's what I was commenting on and not whether you should debate or not.

[denizaksulu]

Sorry, Expat. It is you who is in denial of the Cypriot people's indomitable spirit. You need to recognise the resilience and endurance of Cypriots; forged over the aeons. They will never accept the division of their island. If you're not Cypriot yourself, you may not understand.

I think that it is precisely the reason I can see things like I do: I'm not 'tainted', so to speak by the situation, and thus can look at it a little bit more dispassionately... at least IMHO.

Perhaps outsiders need to show a little more compassion for the aspirations of the vast majority of the island's proud people. I wouldn't advocate the dismemberment of any sovereign country if its people were dead-set against it.

If the rationale for being against it wasn't dead wrong, then perhaps I would be more sympathetic. The phrase "Greek Island" to describe Cyprus certainly is far from being dead and buried in the past, and given a basic human trait called "revenge", don't you think that the Turkish Cypriots wouldn't exactly be expecting hugs and kisses from the Greek Cypriot side? "Cyprus for Cypriots" sounds great and ideal, but when there are differing ideas as to what constitutes a Cypriot, the ideal gets rapidly flushed down the toilet...

Thats a funny thing to say considering you've been claiming that the TC
s have done no wrong? Why would the GC's want revenge?

According to most of GC's the revenge is for 1571- 1974.(incl)