Cyprus-Forum.com

[Expatkiwi]

Malapapa, your arguments sound more and more like a simple twisting of logic. Why don't you show some integrity and simply say: "I want Cyprus as a unitary state with Greek Cypriots calling all the shots" and have done?

[Malapapa]

Malapapa, your arguments sound more and more like a simple twisting of logic. Why don't you show some integrity and simply say: "I want Cyprus as a unitary state with Greek Cypriots calling all the shots" and have done?

I'd be grateful if you'd show me why my arguments are twisting logic. I want Cyprus as a unitary state with capable, legitimate Cypriot citizens, regardless of religious or linguistic background, or gender or sexuality, calling all the shots.

[Expatkiwi]

Malapapa, your arguments sound more and more like a simple twisting of logic. Why don't you show some integrity and simply say: "I want Cyprus as a unitary state with Greek Cypriots calling all the shots" and have done?

I'd be grateful if you'd show me why my arguments are twisting logic. I want Cyprus as a unitary state with capable, legitimate Cypriot citizens, regardless of religious or linguistic background, or gender or sexuality, calling all the shots.

Which is what GR wants, but - and lets be honest - you ever see the liklihood of that happening?

[Malapapa]

Malapapa, your arguments sound more and more like a simple twisting of logic. Why don't you show some integrity and simply say: "I want Cyprus as a unitary state with Greek Cypriots calling all the shots" and have done?

I'd be grateful if you'd show me why my arguments are twisting logic. I want Cyprus as a unitary state with capable, legitimate Cypriot citizens, regardless of religious or linguistic background, or gender or sexuality, calling all the shots.

Which is what GR wants, but - and lets be honest - you ever see the liklihood of that happening?

I'd rather live with hope than hatred.

[Viewpoint]

The GCs want to use their numerical advantage to call all the shots in a unitary state but we have prime examples on this forum why TCs should never give up the struggle for a BBF with political equality of the 2 states.

[Oracle]

You have not answered the question but have merely given me your opinion that "racism is acceptable". (Citizenship formalities are not racist and there is a host of regulations to avoid racist segregation.)

So, where in the EU is racist segregation acceptable?

See my answer above.

In that case you have no answer because you don't know that racism is when you apply different rules to particular races and not merely have citizenship regulations which apply to all regardless of origins. But, then you are a Turk from Turkey pretending you are a GC

The EU did not vote on the Annan Plan ... it was for the Cypriot people to decide, before they entered the EU.

Well, if the EU didn't agree to the Annan plan, it wouln't be brought to a referendum.

It had nothing to do with the EU because Cyprus was not in the EU then.

But again, you don't know because you are Turk pretending you are a GC.

It's not sexism which is acceptable, because it is not! You are confused. I gave you the examples where due to BIOLOGICAL differences between the sexes (known) there are various exemptions (toilets, medical care etc). That's not being sexist, but tolerating biological differences and making allowances for them. Are you telling me there are racial differences that the EU will not tolerate (such as, the GCs are evil ) and instead allow the set-up of territories with exemptions from the hard-worn fundamental rules which underpin equality??

If we agree with it or not is another question, but the regulations on Athos are a clear discrimination against women. As I said, I think Greece was already convicted because of this. But if EU can somehow accept this, sure it will have no problem accepting restrictions on GCs in North Cyprus.

No they are not discriminatory against women just as having Male-only toilets is not discriminatory against women, so long as you also allow Female-only toilets!

RACISM is NOT a minor problem!!

Certainly not, in my opinion, I agree fully with you. But for the EU, I don't think it's such a major problem.

Your opinion means nothing when it is contrary to actual EU practice. You are sexist and racist and pretend otherwise, but your arguments reveal your bias.
The example of Mount Athos, which I gave you, is where biological sex differences are accounted for and have nothing to do with "sexism" which is the practice that women are of lower importance than men. That might be the case in your country (Turkey), but it certainly is not in the EU.

Maybe it is for you as a Turk from Turkey

Wishful thinking perhaps? Sorry to dissapoint you, but I'm a Greek Cypriot from Strovolos.

You have as mush integrity as Expatkiwi, judging by your warped values.

And I think EU is interested in a Cyprus with clear borders, and the only way this can be achieved is through a deal with TCs and Turkey.

Why is that the only way?

The other ways are a war, or a socialist revolution. I'm sure EU wants neither of these two options. Can you think of anything else?

Those aren't the only ways, so keep thinking little Turk!

So, the only possibility left is to come in an agreement with TCs and Turkey. This means that not only the interests of TCs need to be considered (which is reasonable, I have no problem with that), but, unfortunately, also the interests of Turkey. This is a reality that all of our politicians, in Cyprus and in Greece, have accepted, if we like it or not.

I think they are concluded; this is the option which is nearing its full run...

[YFred]

Welcome Afroasiatis to the forum. This is what you will get if you insist on disagreeing with the Lady from Lesbos island. Her understanding of Cyprus and EU is correct and everybody else is wrong. Ignorance is bliss. Don't even think about accusing her of being racist, you will be hounded to the end of the galaxy.

[Expatkiwi]

Which is what GR wants, but - and lets be honest - you ever see the liklihood of that happening?

I'd rather live with hope than hatred.[/quote]

Malapapa, I'm not saying this as spite or trying to be cute; Hope is a good thing, and like GR, you hope that there can be reconciliation and a single government for the entire island. But the reality is realpolitik, and I've resigned myself to saying "reconciliation is impossible, and keeping the Turkish Cypriots isolated is more a punishment and denial strategy than anything else, so lets all recognize these facts".

[Malapapa]

Malapapa, I'm not saying this as spite or trying to be cute; Hope is a good thing, and like GR, you hope that there can be reconciliation and a single government for the entire island. But the reality is realpolitik, and I've resigned myself to saying "reconciliation is impossible, and keeping the Turkish Cypriots isolated is more a punishment

This is disingenuous as any difficulties faced are the inevitable consequence of illegally establishing a state on stolen land.

and denial strategy than anything else, so lets all recognize these facts".

Sorry, Expat. It is you who is in denial of the Cypriot people's indomitable spirit. You need to recognise the resilience and endurance of Cypriots; forged over the aeons. They will never accept the division of their island. If you're not Cypriot yourself, you may not understand.

[Expatkiwi]

Sorry, Expat. It is you who is in denial of the Cypriot people's indomitable spirit. You need to recognise the resilience and endurance of Cypriots; forged over the aeons. They will never accept the division of their island. If you're not Cypriot yourself, you may not understand.

I think that it is precisely the reason I can see things like I do: I'm not 'tainted', so to speak by the situation, and thus can look at it a little bit more dispassionately... at least IMHO.