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[Oracle]

Turkey is adamant it does not wish to give up occupation of Cyprus and expects to be allowed into the EU still implementing GC-specific, racist segregation.

If Turkey was allowed to enter the EU without withdrawing its troops from northern Cyprus ... what would be the logistics of day to day movements around the now expanded EU?

Would there be a corner of Cyprus that would forever be unavailable to GCs? Available to Poles, French, Maltese etc ... but not GCs ... and by extension presumably Greeks from Greece.

How would this work? How could the principles of the EU function under such conditions?

If Turkey really expects to be allowed in the EU, is very questionable.

But anyway, I don't think that it's going to be a big problem for the EU to have some exceptions from its principles in small parts of its territory. I think they already accepted it for other parts.

Please tell me where racial equality has been suspended in any of the special territories in the EU. [You are confusing people with VAT ]

Monasteries like Mount Athos etc do not have restrictions on racial grounds, but sex. The EU has many exemptions (toilets, hospital wards, schools etc) based on the biological differences (known and accepted) between the sexes; but nowhere is racism acceptable.

When Cyprus accessed the EU, even the SBAs, previously restricted, entered the EU, acknowledged as part of the RoC and so that external-EU border controls did not have to apply. So too did the north. So, which EU rules and principles will have to be modified to keep the north exclusively GC free, for the sake of Turkish wishes, whilst allowing all other EU principles to apply, for the sake of Turkey's economy?

[Malapapa]

Which bit of his agreement was referring to disarm Germany, all he came back with is a promise that Hitler will not attack Poland. Hitler did not declare war on Britain, It was the other way round.

Don't be deliberately obtuse, YFred. You're advocating appeasement. I'm drawing parallels with what happened last time an attempt to sweet talk an insane bully was made.

[Afroasiatis]

Turkey is adamant it does not wish to give up occupation of Cyprus and expects to be allowed into the EU still implementing GC-specific, racist segregation.

If Turkey was allowed to enter the EU without withdrawing its troops from northern Cyprus ... what would be the logistics of day to day movements around the now expanded EU?

Would there be a corner of Cyprus that would forever be unavailable to GCs? Available to Poles, French, Maltese etc ... but not GCs ... and by extension presumably Greeks from Greece.

How would this work? How could the principles of the EU function under such conditions?

If Turkey really expects to be allowed in the EU, is very questionable.

But anyway, I don't think that it's going to be a big problem for the EU to have some exceptions from its principles in small parts of its territory. I think they already accepted it for other parts.

Please tell me where racial equality has been suspended in any of the special territories in the EU. [You are confusing people with VAT ]

Monasteries like Mount Athos etc do not have restrictions on racial grounds, but sex. The EU has many exemptions (toilets, hospital wards, schools etc) based on the biological differences (known and accepted) between the sexes; but nowhere is racism acceptable.

When Cyprus accessed the EU, even the SBAs, previously restricted, entered the EU, acknowledged as part of the RoC and so that external-EU border controls did not have to apply. So too did the north. So which rules and principles will have to be modified to keep the north exclusively GC free, for the sake of Turkish wishes, whilst allowing all other EU principles to apply, for the sake of Turkey's economy?

EU doesn't have such a big problem in accepting racist restrictions. If I'm not wrong, there are EU-countries where a child born in this country doesn't automatically have the right to get its citizenship if his parents are not citizens of the country themselves. Isn't this obviously racist?

The EU had no problem accepting the Anan Plan which included restrictions which could be called racist.

And you mentioned Athos. If EU can accept sexism, why not racism?

I think EU doesn't have a big problem in accepting minor exceptions from its principles (see Czech Republic, Aland Islands), if this serves its interests. And I think EU is interested in a Cyprus with clear borders, and the only way this can be achieved is through a deal with TCs and Turkey.

[vaughanwilliams]

Turkey is adamant it does not wish to give up occupation of Cyprus and expects to be allowed into the EU still implementing GC-specific, racist segregation.

If Turkey was allowed to enter the EU without withdrawing its troops from northern Cyprus ... what would be the logistics of day to day movements around the now expanded EU?

Would there be a corner of Cyprus that would forever be unavailable to GCs? Available to Poles, French, Maltese etc ... but not GCs ... and by extension presumably Greeks from Greece.

How would this work? How could the principles of the EU function under such conditions?

If Turkey really expects to be allowed in the EU, is very questionable.

But anyway, I don't think that it's going to be a big problem for the EU to have some exceptions from its principles in small parts of its territory. I think they already accepted it for other parts.

Please tell me where racial equality has been suspended in any of the special territories in the EU. [You are confusing people with VAT ]

Monasteries like Mount Athos etc do not have restrictions on racial grounds, but sex. The EU has many exemptions (toilets, hospital wards, schools etc) based on the biological differences (known and accepted) between the sexes; but nowhere is racism acceptable.

When Cyprus accessed the EU, even the SBAs, previously restricted, entered the EU, acknowledged as part of the RoC and so that external-EU border controls did not have to apply. So too did the north. So, which EU rules and principles will have to be modified to keep the north exclusively GC free, for the sake of Turkish wishes, whilst allowing all other EU principles to apply, for the sake of Turkey's economy?

When Cyprus accessed the EU, even the SBAs, previously restricted, entered the EU, acknowledged as part of the RoC and so that external-EU border controls did not have to apply.

Try driving onto an SBA without going through a control point and then tell us how you got on.

[B25]

Turkey is adamant it does not wish to give up occupation of Cyprus and expects to be allowed into the EU still implementing GC-specific, racist segregation.

If Turkey was allowed to enter the EU without withdrawing its troops from northern Cyprus ... what would be the logistics of day to day movements around the now expanded EU?

Would there be a corner of Cyprus that would forever be unavailable to GCs? Available to Poles, French, Maltese etc ... but not GCs ... and by extension presumably Greeks from Greece.

How would this work? How could the principles of the EU function under such conditions?

If Turkey really expects to be allowed in the EU, is very questionable.

But anyway, I don't think that it's going to be a big problem for the EU to have some exceptions from its principles in small parts of its territory. I think they already accepted it for other parts.

Please tell me where racial equality has been suspended in any of the special territories in the EU. [You are confusing people with VAT ]

Monasteries like Mount Athos etc do not have restrictions on racial grounds, but sex. The EU has many exemptions (toilets, hospital wards, schools etc) based on the biological differences (known and accepted) between the sexes; but nowhere is racism acceptable.

When Cyprus accessed the EU, even the SBAs, previously restricted, entered the EU, acknowledged as part of the RoC and so that external-EU border controls did not have to apply. So too did the north. So, which EU rules and principles will have to be modified to keep the north exclusively GC free, for the sake of Turkish wishes, whilst allowing all other EU principles to apply, for the sake of Turkey's economy?

When Cyprus accessed the EU, even the SBAs, previously restricted, entered the EU, acknowledged as part of the RoC and so that external-EU border controls did not have to apply.

Try driving onto an SBA without going through a control point and then tell us how you got on.

Hey carpetbagger, try going onto a military base in the UK, you get the same response. Now you are playing with words. Blinkin thieves, trying to justify their illgotten gains by supporting the illegal regime. Fuck Off arsehole!

[Malapapa]

EU doesn't have such a big problem in accepting racist restrictions. If I'm not wrong, there are EU-countries where a child born in this country doesn't automatically have the right to get its citizenship if his parents are not citizens of the country themselves. Isn't this obviously racist?

No. The rule applies whatever race or citizenship of the parents.

The EU had no problem accepting the Anan Plan which included restrictions which could be called racist.

Some EU politicans maybe. EU law however might have taken a different view when individual citizens had tested such restictions in the relevant courts.

And you mentioned Athos. If EU can accept sexism, why not racism?

It can accept anything until such discrimination is tested in the courts and deemed unlawful. And then EU law prevails.

I think EU doesn't have a big problem in accepting minor exceptions from its principles (see Czech Republic, Aland Islands), if this serves its interests.

But those EU interests now include the interests of Cypriots who are now EU citizens. And it may not serve these individual citizens' interests to accept exceptions (whether minor or otherwise) to EU principles. And why should they?

And I think EU is interested in a Cyprus with clear borders, and the only way this can be achieved is through a deal with TCs and Turkey.

There can be no deals that (permanently) restrict the rights and freedoms that free Cypriots (and all other EU citizens) currently enjoy. And no one else in the EU, whether in Athens, London or Brussels, (or even politicians in Nicosia), is in a position to make such a deal.

[Oracle]

Turkey is adamant it does not wish to give up occupation of Cyprus and expects to be allowed into the EU still implementing GC-specific, racist segregation.

If Turkey was allowed to enter the EU without withdrawing its troops from northern Cyprus ... what would be the logistics of day to day movements around the now expanded EU?

Would there be a corner of Cyprus that would forever be unavailable to GCs? Available to Poles, French, Maltese etc ... but not GCs ... and by extension presumably Greeks from Greece.

How would this work? How could the principles of the EU function under such conditions?

If Turkey really expects to be allowed in the EU, is very questionable.

But anyway, I don't think that it's going to be a big problem for the EU to have some exceptions from its principles in small parts of its territory. I think they already accepted it for other parts.

Please tell me where racial equality has been suspended in any of the special territories in the EU. [You are confusing people with VAT ]

Monasteries like Mount Athos etc do not have restrictions on racial grounds, but sex. The EU has many exemptions (toilets, hospital wards, schools etc) based on the biological differences (known and accepted) between the sexes; but nowhere is racism acceptable.

When Cyprus accessed the EU, even the SBAs, previously restricted, entered the EU, acknowledged as part of the RoC and so that external-EU border controls did not have to apply. So too did the north. So which rules and principles will have to be modified to keep the north exclusively GC free, for the sake of Turkish wishes, whilst allowing all other EU principles to apply, for the sake of Turkey's economy?

EU doesn't have such a big problem in accepting racist restrictions. If I'm not wrong, there are EU-countries where a child born in this country doesn't automatically have the right to get its citizenship if his parents are not citizens of the country themselves. Isn't this obviously racist?

You have not answered the question but have merely given me your opinion that "racism is acceptable". (Citizenship formalities are not racist and there is a host of regulations to avoid racist segregation.)

So, where in the EU is racist segregation acceptable?

The EU had no problem accepting the Anan Plan which included restrictions which could be called racist.

The EU did not vote on the Annan Plan ... it was for the Cypriot people to decide, before they entered the EU.

And you mentioned Athos. If EU can accept sexism, why not racism?

It's not sexism which is acceptable, because it is not! You are confused. I gave you the examples where due to BIOLOGICAL differences between the sexes (known) there are various exemptions (toilets, medical care etc). That's not being sexist, but tolerating biological differences and making allowances for them. Are you telling me there are racial differences that the EU will not tolerate (such as, the GCs are evil ) and instead allow the set-up of territories with exemptions from the hard-worn fundamental rules which underpin equality??

I think EU doesn't have a big problem in accepting minor exceptions from its principles (see Czech Republic, Aland Islands), if this serves its interests.

RACISM is NOT a minor problem!! Maybe it is for you as a Turk from Turkey

And I think EU is interested in a Cyprus with clear borders, and the only way this can be achieved is through a deal with TCs and Turkey.

Why is that the only way?

[Oracle]

Turkey is adamant it does not wish to give up occupation of Cyprus and expects to be allowed into the EU still implementing GC-specific, racist segregation.

If Turkey was allowed to enter the EU without withdrawing its troops from northern Cyprus ... what would be the logistics of day to day movements around the now expanded EU?

Would there be a corner of Cyprus that would forever be unavailable to GCs? Available to Poles, French, Maltese etc ... but not GCs ... and by extension presumably Greeks from Greece.

How would this work? How could the principles of the EU function under such conditions?

If Turkey really expects to be allowed in the EU, is very questionable.

But anyway, I don't think that it's going to be a big problem for the EU to have some exceptions from its principles in small parts of its territory. I think they already accepted it for other parts.

Please tell me where racial equality has been suspended in any of the special territories in the EU. [You are confusing people with VAT ]

Monasteries like Mount Athos etc do not have restrictions on racial grounds, but sex. The EU has many exemptions (toilets, hospital wards, schools etc) based on the biological differences (known and accepted) between the sexes; but nowhere is racism acceptable.

When Cyprus accessed the EU, even the SBAs, previously restricted, entered the EU, acknowledged as part of the RoC and so that external-EU border controls did not have to apply. So too did the north. So, which EU rules and principles will have to be modified to keep the north exclusively GC free, for the sake of Turkish wishes, whilst allowing all other EU principles to apply, for the sake of Turkey's economy?

When Cyprus accessed the EU, even the SBAs, previously restricted, entered the EU, acknowledged as part of the RoC and so that external-EU border controls did not have to apply.

Try driving onto an SBA without going through a control point and then tell us how you got on.

Those are not border controls but military controls as performed in many other military zones all over the EU.

[vaughanwilliams]

Turkey is adamant it does not wish to give up occupation of Cyprus and expects to be allowed into the EU still implementing GC-specific, racist segregation.

If Turkey was allowed to enter the EU without withdrawing its troops from northern Cyprus ... what would be the logistics of day to day movements around the now expanded EU?

Would there be a corner of Cyprus that would forever be unavailable to GCs? Available to Poles, French, Maltese etc ... but not GCs ... and by extension presumably Greeks from Greece.

How would this work? How could the principles of the EU function under such conditions?[/quote
If Turkey really expects to be allowed in the EU, is very questionable.

But anyway, I don't think that it's going to be a big problem for the EU to have some exceptions from its principles in small parts of its territory. I think they already accepted it for other parts.

Please tell me where racial equality has been suspended in any of the special territories in the EU. [You are confusing people with VAT ]

Monasteries like Mount Athos etc do not have restrictions on racial grounds, but sex. The EU has many exemptions (toilets, hospital wards, schools etc) based on the biological differences (known and accepted) between the sexes; but nowhere is racism acceptable.

When Cyprus accessed the EU, even the SBAs, previously restricted, entered the EU, acknowledged as part of the RoC and so that external-EU border controls did not have to apply. So too did the north. So, which EU rules and principles will have to be modified to keep the north exclusively GC free, for the sake of Turkish wishes, whilst allowing all other EU principles to apply, for the sake of Turkey's economy?

When Cyprus accessed the EU, even the SBAs, previously restricted, entered the EU, acknowledged as part of the RoC and so that external-EU border controls did not have to apply.

Try driving onto an SBA without going through a control point and then tell us how you got on.

Those are not border controls but military controls as performed in many other military zones all over the EU.

So why are there Customs men there as well as SBA police? In the UK, military bases have an armed serviceman and either a MOD security guard or MOD policeman on the gate. No comparison.

[CopperLine]

EU doesn't have such a big problem in accepting racist restrictions. If I'm not wrong, there are EU-countries where a child born in this country doesn't automatically have the right to get its citizenship if his parents are not citizens of the country themselves. Isn't this obviously racist?

No. The rule applies whatever race or citizenship of the parents.

[quote="Afroasiatis"]

Unfortunately Afroasiatis is right. Citizenship birthright is deeply racialised in the UK.