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[DT.]

Six hundred Turkish soldiers and 900 Greek soldiers would be left in Cyprus by now. Famagusta would have been a thriving town and perhaps DT would be visited by his friend in his native Morphou. Forty or so villages returned, the majority of the settlers taken back to Turkey ... this is what we said "no" to and celebrated on top.

Denktash does not count, says DT, but Turkey considered the Cyprus issue solved in 1974 and the only thing that changed since was the aspirations of both countries to enter the European Union with the latter giving preferance to Cyprus because we convinced them that Turkey was holding us hostage, since it was the intransigent side that considered the problem solved since 1974. In 2004, by the admission of the EU itself, we conned those that oversaw our accession and now we have the audacity to ask for a european solution, just because the bash patriots cannot stand the idea that Cyprus will be a biccommunal country with the TC's having an effective participation in state matters.

I'm growing tired of your repeated amnesia when it comes to the Annan Plan. I will not post again all those points that made that plan dysfuntional because there's no point. You'll read them, something in the back of your head would click and say "damn, we really become 2nd class citizens in our own country" and then your knee jerk reaction to turn against Tpap and his non-negotiation tactics would click in. Tpap didn't negotiate, Tpap fooled us, Tpap sided with Denktash...etc...etc all the while forgetting that depsite the fact that this plan was badly negotiated and despite the fact that you yourself admitted that it was badly designed for the GC's, you still voted for it.

6% of land for sale is up by Turkey what are we ready to give up?
- continental shelf?
- 50-50 govt with 18% of the population?
- 50,000 settlers? 80,000 settlers?
- Turkish gurantees for eternity over the entire island?
- A turkish constituent state that pledges allegiance to Ataturk instead of this nation?
- Turkish soldiers on this land forever?
- Eternal allegiance to Turkey in foreign policy?

Come on Cypriots....what will you give to Turkey for 6% of YOUR land?

I stood to gain from the Annan plan Bananiot a great deal of money as did my entire family (parents, uncles, grandparents all from Morphou) so my motives for voting NO are purely for the good of my country. How many people can say that?

[Bananiot]

Your fellow Morphian, Takis Hadjidemetriou, who vociferously supported the Annan Plan, cannot be accused of ignorance, I am sure you can admitt this.

Your worries, as you stated them, ie

- continental shelf?
- 50-50 govt with 18% of the population?
- 50,000 settlers? 80,000 settlers?
- Turkish gurantees for eternity over the entire island?
- A turkish constituent state that pledges allegiance to Ataturk instead of this nation?
- Turkish soldiers on this land forever?
- Eternal allegiance to Turkey in foreign policy?

can easily be addressed. The proposal of Christofias for rotating presidency and weighted vote for the GC's is a good one and tackles efficiently important issues regarding governance. I know that the patriotic voices are now telling us that the Annan provisions on this matter are preferred, but this is what rejectionism does to you. The settlers will not all go back and we all will be happy if only 50k can stay after solution. The Turkish guarantees can be negotiated and from the signals that come from Ankara, this may not be a red line for the Turkish side. The Turkish Cypriot State will be part of Cyprus and your idea that it will pledge allegiance to Ataturk is a confused notion because at the back of the minds of the bash patriots you will find our allegiance to Greece, that led people like Lazaros Mavros urinate on the RoC flag in the past. Three hundred soldiers of Turkey remaining for some time is nothing next to 40k remaining for ever. Eternal allegiance to Turkey is okay, I presume, for the Turkish Cypriot State, especially a democratic and freedom loving Turkey within the EU family. Of course, you will not waive your allegiance to Greece, just to let the filthy Turks know.

Let's be serious DT! If we do not solve the problem (real soon) with serious compromises from both sides, partition will be the only solution, but the bash patriots have already decided for all of us that partition is better than the only feasible solution.

[DT.]

Your fellow Morphian, Takis Hadjidemetriou, who vociferously supported the Annan Plan, cannot be accused of ignorance, I am sure you can admitt this.

Your worries, as you stated them, ie

- continental shelf?
- 50-50 govt with 18% of the population?
- 50,000 settlers? 80,000 settlers?
- Turkish gurantees for eternity over the entire island?
- A turkish constituent state that pledges allegiance to Ataturk instead of this nation?
- Turkish soldiers on this land forever?
- Eternal allegiance to Turkey in foreign policy?

can easily be addressed. The proposal of Christofias for rotating presidency and weighted vote for the GC's is a good one and tackles efficiently important issues regarding governance. I know that the patriotic voices are now telling us that the Annan provisions on this matter are preferred, but this is what rejectionism does to you. The settlers will not all go back and we all will be happy if only 50k can stay after solution. The Turkish guarantees can be negotiated and from the signals that come from Ankara, this may not be a red line for the Turkish side. The Turkish Cypriot State will be part of Cyprus and your idea that it will pledge allegiance to Ataturk is a confused notion because at the back of the minds of the bash patriots you will find our allegiance to Greece, that led people like Lazaros Mavros urinate on the RoC flag in the past. Three hundred soldiers of Turkey remaining for some time is nothing next to 40k remaining for ever. Eternal allegiance to Turkey is okay, I presume, for the Turkish Cypriot State, especially a democratic and freedom loving Turkey within the EU family. Of course, you will not waive your allegiance to Greece, just to let the filthy Turks know.

Let's be serious DT! If we do not solve the problem (real soon) with serious compromises from both sides, partition will be the only solution, but the bash patriots have already decided for all of us that partition is better than the only feasible solution.

Bananiot how can you call the rotating presidency with a weighted vote a good proposal? Stalemate in the lower house and stalemate in the upper house will lead to a final word by the executive. When that executive is TC/settler what will happen when 80% of the population passionately disagree with that final word?

We'll all be praying for our lives.

Leave aside the gross injustice of having a 20% minority and its motherlands interests calling the shots.

[Get Real!]

If we do not solve the problem (real soon) with serious compromises from both sides, partition will be the only solution, but the bash patriots have already decided for all of us that partition is better than the only feasible solution.

Bananiot, is urgently proposing internationally recognized partition instead of an illegal partition, and I’ll bet the useless Turkish Cypriots are hanging around his absurd posts like flies over a turd!

But let’s face it… as a community the Turkish Cypriots are fucking useless! They couldn’t hold up a state if it was handed to them on a plate and financed by others for the next 20 years!

But of course, that doesn’t matter because it’s not the Turkish Cypriots they want it for but Turkey, with a British portion in the south and some pseudo-Greek shit in the middle! Call it double enosis, call it a triple enosis, call it whatever you want because it doesn’t matter as it all amounts to a quagmire!

Cyprus must stick to INTERNATIONAL LAW where the withdrawal of ALL Turkish troops is a DEMAND and not a Turkish bargaining chip!

Where the importation of settlers is ILLEGAL under the Geneva Convention and not another Turkish bargaining chip!

By voting for the treasonous likes of Vasiliou and Clerides in the past, we have derailed our international rights and embarked on an illegal cat & mouse game with Turkey that leads to nowhere but confusion and the clouding of Cypriot’s Human Rights!

Demand a return to international law while you still have an internationally recognized constitution!

Footnote: So what exactly is a Cypriot?

Anyone and everyone who respects the sovereignty of Cyprus and her territorial integrity, and sticks his finger up to Greece, Turkey, and Britain! If you fit that description join us!

[-mikkie2-]

"Six hundred Turkish soldiers and 900 Greek soldiers would be left in Cyprus by now. Famagusta would have been a thriving town and perhaps DT would be visited by his friend in his native Morphou. Forty or so villages returned, the majority of the settlers taken back to Turkey ... this is what we said "no" to and celebrated on top."

Bananiot,

I think it is highly presumptious to suggest that by now many of the provisions of the Annan plan would have come into effect. The problem is, there was no mechanism put in place to ensure that the plan was implemented. The property provisions were a farce and would have led to chaos. The settlers would still be here rather than being shipped back to Turkey. Rather than being illegal workers, they would have become legal.

All that we would have got by now is Varosha. Turkey would probably be making things move at a very slow pace.

That is why any new plan that is negotiated must properly address the issues clearly and without ambiguity and also to have guarantees that the plan will be implemented as agreed.

[EPSILON]

Political hooliganism will destroy Cyprus forever. We have lost half of it mainly because Makarios thought and acted as though he was the leader of a superpower while Grivas and his other adversaries accused him of not being hard enough.

I fully accept your points

in order we save Cyprus we must

AA.Put in jail everybody in CY declaring himself as Greek
BB.Declaring everyvbody in CY speaking Greek as a trator
CC.Declaring everybody in CY going to Orthodox church as -allopistos
DD.Put in jail any GC cooking lamp during Easter period
EE.Asking all people of CY to accept Greek flag as the "trators flag"
FF.Forbeetten the language of Gcs and demand they speak either British or Turkish

then tjhe two communities will be brothers and sisters and a solution (surrenter agreement) may be found.

[B25]

Political hooliganism will destroy Cyprus forever. We have lost half of it mainly because Makarios thought and acted as though he was the leader of a superpower while Grivas and his other adversaries accused him of not being hard enough.

I fully accept your points

in order we save Cyprus we must

AA.Put in jail everybody in CY declaring himself as Greek
BB.Declaring everyvbody in CY speaking Greek as a trator
CC.Declaring everybody in CY going to Orthodox church as -allopistos
DD.Put in jail any GC cooking lamp during Easter period
EE.Asking all people of CY to accept Greek flag as the "trators flag"
FF.Forbeetten the language of Gcs and demand they speak either British or Turkish

then tjhe two communities will be brothers and sisters and a solution (surrenter agreement) may be found.

E, this is exactly what Bana wants from us to please his chums on the dark side.

Bravo re for putting up in one so everyone can see Bana for what he stands for.

Every politiocial that voices any opinion that does not please his masters (Turkey), are bent, bash patriots, pavement patriots, cretins, rejectionists and a few other repeated terms that Bana uses to describe us.

We will not surrender, they will have to take us kicking and screaming.

Cyprus is Greek with a small mix of others just as any other country in the world, why is it so difficult for tem to see this???

[Get Real!]

Cyprus is Greek with a small mix of others just as any other country in the world, why is it so difficult for tem to see this???

If Cyprus is Greek what’s the Turkish flag doing on a Cypriot mountain range?

What kind of “Greekness” do you have that doesn’t warrant a Greek military response to such anathema?

Perhaps you’re not pure-blood enough to be worthy of a Greek liberation and are thus “Greek” in name only because if this were to happen on another island like Crete or Rhodes the entire Greek military would mobilize to defend it but on Cyprus your pseudo-Greekness doesn’t seem to be recognized by Greece!

Or perhaps you’re just a bunch of confused Cypriots, products of 20th century “mother country” foreign nationalisms that time forgot…

Either way, you’re still pitiful.

[Oracle]

Cyprus is Greek with a small mix of others just as any other country in the world, why is it so difficult for tem to see this???

If Cyprus is Greek what’s the Turkish flag doing on a Cypriot mountain range?

What kind of “Greekness” do you have that doesn’t warrant a Greek military response to such anathema?

Perhaps you’re not pure-blood enough to be worthy of a Greek liberation and are thus “Greek” in name only because if this were to happen on another island like Crete or Rhodes the entire Greek military would mobilize to defend it but on Cyprus your pseudo-Greekness doesn’t seem to be recognized by Greece!

Or perhaps you’re just a bunch of confused Cypriots, products of 20th century “mother country” foreign nationalisms that time forgot…

Either way, you’re still pitiful.

Unlike Crete or Rhodes, Cyprus is an Independent sovereign country and Greece acknowledges this -- so it can't treat Cyprus in the same way it would treat an invasion of Crete. It's also against pushing its "guarantee" status to invade in a military operation against the Turks because it could legitimise the Turkish invasion in the name of using its "guarantee". It has to be the EU, not just Greece, so be patient.

But, it's foolhardy to deny Greece is our most reliable ally.

[Get Real!]

Unlike Crete or Rhodes, Cyprus is an Independent sovereign country and Greece acknowledges this -- so it can't treat Cyprus in the same way it would treat an invasion of Crete.

Then you should correct your half-baked friends that Cyprus is a Cypriot island or they should demand that the Greek military mobilizes to liberate them.

It's also against pushing its "guarantee" status to invade in a military operation against the Turks because it could legitimise the Turkish invasion in the name of using its "guarantee". It has to be the EU, not just Greece, so be patient.

The Greeks were shameless on the 15th of July 1974, when they overthrew the legitimate government of Cyprus in violation of this treaty you mention so why would they be ashamed to make amends now?

But, it's foolhardy to deny Greece is our most reliable ally.

Reliable for what exactly? To pervert the Cypriot heritage and screw up the minds of our people with a bizarre situation that alegedly makes them “Greek” but not Greek enough to be entitled to military protection rendering them helpless?

They’re doing a perfect job at that…