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[Malapapa]

You still dont get it do you, if Bananiot can show strength of character to accept the AP for a solution I am willing to accept a unitary state in return because his open mindedness warrants such flexiblity I have no qualms with placing my future in his hands, your approach doesnt warrant the same response only fuels the mutual mistrust and the need for BBF with plenty of safeguards and guarantees. Now do you get it?

What do you want me to do? Campaign for a two-state solution so that you can then turn around and say, I was only joking, we want proper reunification?

[Viewpoint]

What do you want me to do? Campaign for a two-state solution so that you can then turn around and say, I was only joking, we want proper reunification?

What a childish and naive response of course, I would never expect you to do this although in 30 years time you maybe doing this....a BBF with political equality appears to be the middle ground...do you support this structure?

[Malapapa]

What do you want me to do? Campaign for a two-state solution so that you can then turn around and say, I was only joking, we want proper reunification?

What a childish and naive response of course, I would never expect you to do this although in 30 years time you maybe doing this....a BBF with political equality appears to be the middle ground...do you support this structure?

The sticking points remain the definition of both "BBF" and, in particular, "political equality", but yes. And for me the structure would also need to have mechanisms to allow for the building of trust, cooperation, economic parity and proper unity as soon as is practical.

[Viewpoint]

What do you want me to do? Campaign for a two-state solution so that you can then turn around and say, I was only joking, we want proper reunification?

What a childish and naive response of course, I would never expect you to do this although in 30 years time you maybe doing this....a BBF with political equality appears to be the middle ground...do you support this structure?

The sticking points remain the definition of both "BBF" and, in particular, "political equality", but yes. And for me the structure would also need to have mechanisms to allow for the building of trust, cooperation, economic parity and proper unity as soon as is practical.

The majority of TC are like me and would accept what you are saying they also support refugees property rights but to move forward we need the basic principles of BBF with 2 sstates allowing each to administer themselves uniting in external affairs therefore allowing much needed time to build trust and understanding that we would hope that the intial restrictions and guarantees will be become redundent allowing us to move closer together in unity.

[bill cobbett]

Exactly his approach allows me the understand that he even willing to accept the AP to move forward and unite with me, not expressing that he wants to dominate but wants to share...this is a very important point, his acceptence of the AP makes me want to return the trsut by accepting a unitary as long as people are open minded and accepting of TCs as part of the fabric of a new united Cyprus where we can trust each other 100% knowing that one side will nto stab the other in the back at the first opportunity. I trust Bananiot with my future in a unitary state but I do not trust you take a few minutes to ponder why?

Once again the AP is dragged out of the grave by the Resurrectionists.

The last couple of sentences of the AP went something like this ....

If rejected in one or both referendums, then the whole plan or any of the plan's parts are declared NULL AND VOID.

[Bananiot]

Tony, I objected to your tone, I thought you were different. And, your rhetoric also smacks of inefficiencies. You claim that the Annan Plan (which could have been much better, had Papadopoulos negotiated it with a view of making it acceptable to our side) was perfect for the Turkish side, but what do you make of the reaction of the deep state and its representative here, Rauf Denktash. He said "I thank God the Greek Cypriots voted no" and he was jubilant about the result of the referendum, just like you and sotos and Piratis, I am sure. Does this make you a Turk? And what if someone is a Turk? Do you also think that being a Turk is the worse thing that can happen to anyone? For many years now if we wanted to insult someone we called him a Turk and it seems that this anachronistic habit is still the lifetime motto of the bash patriots.

Vasiliou was the best President we ever had and he also played an instrumental role with Simitis, Papandreou and Klerides in getting us in the European Union. Some respect for these people is the least we can to to honour them.

P.S. Christofias has made serious diplomatic errors, it looks, in his letter he sent to the leaders of the EU countries. He told them that he "wants to draw their attention ..." and many more other undiplomatic gaffes in a language he normally uses to address the party faithful. However, he might have been trying to appease, just like Omirou, the bananiots of this tragic island, who are very proud of their politicians who are standing up to the adversaries, who day and night plot to destroy Cyprus.

[DT.]

Tony, I objected to your tone, I thought you were different. And, your rhetoric also smacks of inefficiencies. You claim that the Annan Plan (which could have been much better, had Papadopoulos negotiated it with a view of making it acceptable to our side) was perfect for the Turkish side, but what do you make of the reaction of the deep state and its representative here, Rauf Denktash. He said "I thank God the Greek Cypriots voted no" and he was jubilant about the result of the referendum, just like you and sotos and Piratis, I am sure. Does this make you a Turk? And what if someone is a Turk? Do you also think that being a Turk is the worse thing that can happen to anyone? For many years now if we wanted to insult someone we called him a Turk and it seems that this anachronistic habit is still the lifetime motto of the bash patriots.

Vasiliou was the best President we ever had and he also played an instrumental role with Simitis, Papandreou and Klerides in getting us in the European Union. Some respect for these people is the least we can to to honour them.

P.S. Christofias has made serious diplomatic errors, it looks, in his letter he sent to the leaders of the EU countries. He told them that he "wants to draw their attention ..." and many more other undiplomatic gaffes in a language he normally uses to address the party faithful. However, he might have been trying to appease, just like Omirou, the bananiots of this tragic island, who are very proud of their politicians who are standing up to the adversaries, who day and night plot to destroy Cyprus.

I've asked countless times for someone to explain to me what the Turkish side compromised in the Annan plan. What was given up on their side?

The fact that the father of the "trnc" decided it was a bad plan is not newsworthy Bananiot. Any proposal short of recognition of his illegal state would have been a bad plan for him.

[vaughanwilliams]

Tony, I objected to your tone, I thought you were different. And, your rhetoric also smacks of inefficiencies. You claim that the Annan Plan (which could have been much better, had Papadopoulos negotiated it with a view of making it acceptable to our side) was perfect for the Turkish side, but what do you make of the reaction of the deep state and its representative here, Rauf Denktash. He said "I thank God the Greek Cypriots voted no" and he was jubilant about the result of the referendum, just like you and sotos and Piratis, I am sure. Does this make you a Turk? And what if someone is a Turk? Do you also think that being a Turk is the worse thing that can happen to anyone? For many years now if we wanted to insult someone we called him a Turk and it seems that this anachronistic habit is still the lifetime motto of the bash patriots.

Vasiliou was the best President we ever had and he also played an instrumental role with Simitis, Papandreou and Klerides in getting us in the European Union. Some respect for these people is the least we can to to honour them.

P.S. Christofias has made serious diplomatic errors, it looks, in his letter he sent to the leaders of the EU countries. He told them that he "wants to draw their attention ..." and many more other undiplomatic gaffes in a language he normally uses to address the party faithful. However, he might have been trying to appease, just like Omirou, the bananiots of this tragic island, who are very proud of their politicians who are standing up to the adversaries, who day and night plot to destroy Cyprus.

I've asked countless times for someone to explain to me what the Turkish side compromised in the Annan plan. What was given up on their side?

The fact that the father of the "trnc" decided it was a bad plan is not newsworthy Bananiot. Any proposal short of recognition of his illegal state would have been a bad plan for him.

Lots of soldiers. Lots of settlers. Guzelyurt.....

[Bananiot]

Six hundred Turkish soldiers and 900 Greek soldiers would be left in Cyprus by now. Famagusta would have been a thriving town and perhaps DT would be visited by his friend in his native Morphou. Forty or so villages returned, the majority of the settlers taken back to Turkey ... this is what we said "no" to and celebrated on top.

Denktash does not count, says DT, but Turkey considered the Cyprus issue solved in 1974 and the only thing that changed since was the aspirations of both countries to enter the European Union with the latter giving preferance to Cyprus because we convinced them that Turkey was holding us hostage, since it was the intransigent side that considered the problem solved since 1974. In 2004, by the admission of the EU itself, we conned those that oversaw our accession and now we have the audacity to ask for a european solution, just because the bash patriots cannot stand the idea that Cyprus will be a biccommunal country with the TC's having an effective participation in state matters.

[DT.]

Six hundred Turkish soldiers and 900 Greek soldiers would be left in Cyprus by now. Famagusta would have been a thriving town and perhaps DT would be visited by his friend in his native Morphou. Forty or so villages returned, the majority of the settlers taken back to Turkey ... this is what we said "no" to and celebrated on top.

Denktash does not count, says DT, but Turkey considered the Cyprus issue solved in 1974 and the only thing that changed since was the aspirations of both countries to enter the European Union with the latter giving preferance to Cyprus because we convinced them that Turkey was holding us hostage, since it was the intransigent side that considered the problem solved since 1974. In 2004, by the admission of the EU itself, we conned those that oversaw our accession and now we have the audacity to ask for a european solution, just because the bash patriots cannot stand the idea that Cyprus will be a biccommunal country with the TC's having an effective participation in state matters.

I'm growing tired of your repeated amnesia when it comes to the Annan Plan. I will not post again all those points that made that plan dysfuntional because there's no point. You'll read them, something in the back of your head would click and say "damn, we really become 2nd class citizens in our own country" and then your knee jerk reaction to turn against Tpap and his non-negotiation tactics would click in. Tpap didn't negotiate, Tpap fooled us, Tpap sided with Denktash...etc...etc all the while forgetting that depsite the fact that this plan was badly negotiated and despite the fact that you yourself admitted that it was badly designed for the GC's, you still voted for it.

6% of land for sale is up by Turkey what are we ready to give up?
- continental shelf?
- 50-50 govt with 18% of the population?
- 50,000 settlers? 80,000 settlers?
- Turkish gurantees for eternity over the entire island?
- A turkish constituent state that pledges allegiance to Ataturk instead of this nation?
- Turkish soldiers on this land forever?
- Eternal allegiance to Turkey in foreign policy?

Come on Cypriots....what will you give to Turkey for 6% of YOUR land?