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[-mikkie2-]

"But any solution becoming part of the acquis/ primary law is what all the fuss is about.. it's what Turkey has set as a red line and we appear NOT to have done so (as with everything else!).. otherwise WHY would there be a UN document (which Loukaides publicised) that discusses the need to find mechanisms for protecting the solution from falling apart through legal action in european courts by individuals? (clearly implying that this mechanism is for the plan to become primary EU law!)"

Turkey is pissing in the wind. The solution cannot become primary law. All that there will be are temporary derogations from the acquis so as to allow the north to gradually adjust.

The EU cannot accept turning Cypriots into 2nd class citizens for the sake of a solution. Any solution needs to adhere to EU laws and principles. Remember, no EU a la carte.

It is therefore imperative that any solution addresses all the issues clearly and without ambiguity. For example, the property issue needs to be clearly defined and any mechanisms for restitution need to be clearly spelled out and without ambiguity.

Things have changed greatly since 2003 and it is to the advantage of every single Cypiot be it TC of GC.

[Viewpoint]

"But any solution becoming part of the acquis/ primary law is what all the fuss is about.. it's what Turkey has set as a red line and we appear NOT to have done so (as with everything else!).. otherwise WHY would there be a UN document (which Loukaides publicised) that discusses the need to find mechanisms for protecting the solution from falling apart through legal action in european courts by individuals? (clearly implying that this mechanism is for the plan to become primary EU law!)"

Turkey is pissing in the wind. The solution cannot become primary law. All that there will be are temporary derogations from the acquis so as to allow the north to gradually adjust.

The EU cannot accept turning Cypriots into 2nd class citizens for the sake of a solution. Any solution needs to adhere to EU laws and principles. Remember, no EU a la carte.

It is therefore imperative that any solution addresses all the issues clearly and without ambiguity. For example, the property issue needs to be clearly defined and any mechanisms for restitution need to be clearly spelled out and without ambiguity.

Things have changed greatly since 2003 and it is to the advantage of every single Cypiot be it TC of GC.

How so? things have gotten worse both sides have taken a harder line.

[-mikkie2-]

"How so? things have gotten worse both sides have taken a harder line."

You only see what you want to see VP.

The TC's and Turkey perhaps have taken a harder line. I don't think Christofias is hardline compared to say Papadopoulos.

[Viewpoint]

"How so? things have gotten worse both sides have taken a harder line."

You only see what you want to see VP.

The TC's and Turkey perhaps have taken a harder line. I don't think Christofias is hardline compared to say Papadopoulos.

I agree 100% that Chrisofias is better than Papaidiot but the bottom line is that open ended negotiations are doomed to failure as there is no need to solve anything but to continually postpone oping you will get what you want. Plus not accepting a meeting with Turkey because the TCs a party in all this and will attend is real bullshit...without us there Turkey will not sit around a table with GCs, they do not recognize them as the sole representatives of this island without us. Big mistake on your leaders part.

[Tony-4497]

"But any solution becoming part of the acquis/ primary law is what all the fuss is about.. it's what Turkey has set as a red line and we appear NOT to have done so (as with everything else!).. otherwise WHY would there be a UN document (which Loukaides publicised) that discusses the need to find mechanisms for protecting the solution from falling apart through legal action in european courts by individuals? (clearly implying that this mechanism is for the plan to become primary EU law!)"

Turkey is pissing in the wind. The solution cannot become primary law. All that there will be are temporary derogations from the acquis so as to allow the north to gradually adjust.

The EU cannot accept turning Cypriots into 2nd class citizens for the sake of a solution. Any solution needs to adhere to EU laws and principles. Remember, no EU a la carte.

It is therefore imperative that any solution addresses all the issues clearly and without ambiguity. For example, the property issue needs to be clearly defined and any mechanisms for restitution need to be clearly spelled out and without ambiguity.

Then you and I are in agreement, but you are probably in violent disagreement with the Turks and the Bananiots.. I look forward to hearing from them..

[YFred]

"But any solution becoming part of the acquis/ primary law is what all the fuss is about.. it's what Turkey has set as a red line and we appear NOT to have done so (as with everything else!).. otherwise WHY would there be a UN document (which Loukaides publicised) that discusses the need to find mechanisms for protecting the solution from falling apart through legal action in european courts by individuals? (clearly implying that this mechanism is for the plan to become primary EU law!)"

Turkey is pissing in the wind. The solution cannot become primary law. All that there will be are temporary derogations from the acquis so as to allow the north to gradually adjust.

The EU cannot accept turning Cypriots into 2nd class citizens for the sake of a solution. Any solution needs to adhere to EU laws and principles. Remember, no EU a la carte.

It is therefore imperative that any solution addresses all the issues clearly and without ambiguity. For example, the property issue needs to be clearly defined and any mechanisms for restitution need to be clearly spelled out and without ambiguity.

Things have changed greatly since 2003 and it is to the advantage of every single Cypiot be it TC of GC.

So what was promissed to the Czechs and the Poles to sign the treaty?

[Malapapa]

It is therefore imperative that any solution addresses all the issues clearly and without ambiguity.

which is why doublespeak like:

The partnership will comprise a Federal Government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State, which will be of equal status.

needs to be cleaned up.

As the state of the term State has everyone in a state.

While the status of the term equal status creates an equally confused status.

[-mikkie2-]

The Czecs are equally pissing in the wind.

However, the issue with German property rights was resolved by treaties years ago before the EU existed so it is a moot point.

They were granted an opt out from the treaty but opt outs are legally questionable as Britain has found out in one or two occasions.

[Tony-4497]

It is therefore imperative that any solution addresses all the issues clearly and without ambiguity.

which is why doublespeak like:

The partnership will comprise a Federal Government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State, which will be of equal status.

needs to be cleaned up.

As the state of the term State has everyone in a state.

While the status of the term equal status creates an equally confused status.

Signing this was a grand historic error by X.. no wonder we were later running around like a headless chickens begging the Russians to remove it from proposed UN resolutions..

I think he mentioned during an interview that he got around 15 out of 20 at high school.. I had thought it was a joke until the first day I read the above.. funny that you need more than that to become a candidate for becoming a petty officer in the army (i.e. to lead 5 people for a couple of years).. yet there is no minimum for people who want to become candidates for leading the entire country and defining its future..

..gives us a lot of comfort that the plan will be well thought through and viable..

[Malapapa]

It is therefore imperative that any solution addresses all the issues clearly and without ambiguity.

which is why doublespeak like:

The partnership will comprise a Federal Government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State, which will be of equal status.

needs to be cleaned up.

As the state of the term State has everyone in a state.

While the status of the term equal status creates an equally confused status.

Signing this was a grand historic error by X.. no wonder we were later running around like a headless chickens begging the Russians to remove it from proposed UN resolutions..

I think he mentioned during an interview that he got around 15 out of 20 at high school.. I had thought it was a joke until the first day I read the above.. funny that you need more than that to become a candidate for becoming a petty officer in the army (i.e. to lead 5 people for a couple of years).. yet there is no minimum for people who want to become candidates for leading the entire country and defining its future..

..gives us a lot of comfort that the plan will be well thought through and viable..

Let's hope they carefully think through the viability of dubious terms "Turkish Cypriot Constituent State" and "Greek Cypriot Constituent State" for EU Cyprus 2010.