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Re: European MEPs Condemn Turkey for Lack of Progress

Postby DT. » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:31 am

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bill cobbett wrote:European MEPs condemned Turkey yesterday for lack of progress in normalising relations with CY  


normalising relations with CY? WTF is CY? You don't normalize relations with an administration you don't recognize.

Then why apply to join the EU? :roll:


They applied to join long before Cyprus was even being considered as a potential member.


Turkey applied in 1987 and Cyprus in 1990 big deal! They had 14 years to withdraw their application before Cyprus entered the EU.
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Re: European MEPs Condemn Turkey for Lack of Progress

Postby AWE » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:25 am

DT. wrote:
AWE wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
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bill cobbett wrote:European MEPs condemned Turkey yesterday for lack of progress in normalising relations with CY  


normalising relations with CY? WTF is CY? You don't normalize relations with an administration you don't recognize.

Then why apply to join the EU? :roll:


They applied to join long before Cyprus was even being considered as a potential member.


Turkey applied in 1987 and Cyprus in 1990 big deal! They had 14 years to withdraw their application before Cyprus entered the EU.


Ok, so why would they withdraw the application because Cyprus had applied subsequently? After all, was Turkey's application conditional and a resolution of the Cyprus Problem or Cyprus's?
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Re: European MEPs Condemn Turkey for Lack of Progress

Postby YFred » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:50 am

AWE wrote:
DT. wrote:
AWE wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
runaway wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:European MEPs condemned Turkey yesterday for lack of progress in normalising relations with CY  


normalising relations with CY? WTF is CY? You don't normalize relations with an administration you don't recognize.

Then why apply to join the EU? :roll:


They applied to join long before Cyprus was even being considered as a potential member.


Turkey applied in 1987 and Cyprus in 1990 big deal! They had 14 years to withdraw their application before Cyprus entered the EU.


Ok, so why would they withdraw the application because Cyprus had applied subsequently? After all, was Turkey's application conditional and a resolution of the Cyprus Problem or Cyprus's?

The only issue regarding Cyprus and the Turkish negotiations with EU is opening of the ports. Removal of the troops is not part of the equation and never will be.
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Postby SKI-preo » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:55 am

"Removal of the troops is not part of the equation and never will be."

How do you know?
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Postby YFred » Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:04 pm

SKI-preo wrote:"Removal of the troops is not part of the equation and never will be."

How do you know?

In which chapter is it included in the accession talks?
When has it been discussed?
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Postby Expatkiwi » Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:41 pm

Not quite as bad as one may think, according to this posting...

EU Politics News wrote:Image

Turkey's EU affairs minister has told a parliamentary committee that a breakthrough on the Cyprus problem could be imminent.

Egemen Bagis told the foreign affairs panel he was "optimistic" of a resolution to the long-running dispute between the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot communities on the divided island.

Turkey's EU accession is seen as being directly linked to a settlement to the problem and Bagis said he thought the leaders of the two communities could thrash out a "comprehensive solution."

"The current situation is difficult and we need all the parties involved to be motivated and encouraged to help bring about a settlement," he told MEPs.

He also told the committee that Turkey was currently a "very active" player in peace building efforts in its region, saying it was "trying to prevent fires breaking out."

"This is driven by our mutual interests and the need for more peace in the region."

Such efforts, he said, showed that Turkey could be a "good team player with the EU in preventing future conflict and wars."

His comments come on the day a parliamentary report on Turkish accession was published.

The report by Ria Oomen-Ruijten expresses "concern" about ongoing "polarisation within Turkish society and between political parties."

The MEP also calls on Turkey to "contribute actively to the comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus issue."

She said, "I welcome the broad public debate on a range of traditionally sensitive issues such as the role of the judiciary, the rights of citizens of Kurdish origin, the rights of the Alevi community, the role of the military and Turkey's relations with its neighbours.

"But I am concerned about ongoing polarisation within Turkish society and between political parties," said Bagis, who is also Turkey's main negotiator in its EU accession talks.

According to Oomen-Ruijten the progress in terms of firm reforms has remained limited in 2009.

She says, "Where legislation relevant to the Copenhagen political criteria is in place, its implementation continues to be insufficient, particularly in the areas of womens' rights, non-discrimination, zero tolerance of torture and the fight against corruption.

"A comprehensive and swift reform of the judiciary is therefore vital for the success of the modernisation process in Turkey.

"I am very concerned about continued restrictions on press freedom - particularly following the imposition of an unprecedented fine on a media group - as well as regarding frequent website bans.

"Certain laws continue to be misused to restrict freedom of expression," she continued. A new media law should be adopted in light of the unhealthy links between media and business interests."

Oomen-Ruijten said she "deplores the fact" that, for the fourth consecutive year, the additional protocol to the EC-Turkey association agreement has not been implemented by Turkey and "failure to do so may further seriously affect" the process of negotiations.

The deputy commends Turkey and Armenia on the efforts made to normalise relations and says that Turkey's signing of the intergovernmental agreement on the Nabucco gas pipeline sends a "strong signal."

While she welcomes the dialogue entered into by the Turkish government with non-Muslim religious communities and the Alevis she says "positive steps and gestures cannot mask the lack of real reform of the legal framework, which must enable these religious communities to function without undue constraints."
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Re: European MEPs Condemn Turkey for Lack of Progress

Postby EPSILON » Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:45 pm

bill cobbett wrote:European MEPs condemned Turkey yesterday for lack of progress in normalising relations with CY and making good on its promise to open ports and airspace.

From .... http://www.euractiv.com/en/enlargement/ ... cle-187707 ....

"On Turkey, the draft says that the country has made "some progress towards meeting the Copenhagen political criteria". Regrets are expressed as to limited progress made in the area of freedom of expression and freedom of religion. Also, MEPs "deplore" the continued non-fulfilment of commitments stemming from the Additional Protocol to the EC-Turkey Association Agreement (the opening of Turkish ports and airports to Cyprus)."

(that word "deplore" above is remarkably strong)

WE ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH ONLY REGRETS. We need actions.No country can be a member of EU unless its accept its rules.

question: how can a state (ROC) vote in favor or against Turkey at the time its not recognized by Turkey as state? This mean ROC's vote is not count therefore Turkey can have maximum 26 votes not 27 which are required!!
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Re: European MEPs Condemn Turkey for Lack of Progress

Postby EPSILON » Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:46 pm

bill cobbett wrote:European MEPs condemned Turkey yesterday for lack of progress in normalising relations with CY and making good on its promise to open ports and airspace.

From .... http://www.euractiv.com/en/enlargement/ ... cle-187707 ....

"On Turkey, the draft says that the country has made "some progress towards meeting the Copenhagen political criteria". Regrets are expressed as to limited progress made in the area of freedom of expression and freedom of religion. Also, MEPs "deplore" the continued non-fulfilment of commitments stemming from the Additional Protocol to the EC-Turkey Association Agreement (the opening of Turkish ports and airports to Cyprus)."

(that word "deplore" above is remarkably strong)
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WE ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH ONLY REGRETS. We need actions.No country can be a member of EU unless its accept its rules.

question: how can a state (ROC) vote in favor or against Turkey at the time its not recognized by Turkey as state? This mean ROC's vote is not count therefore Turkey can have maximum 26 votes not 27 which are required!!
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