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[yialousa1971]

Get Real! wrote:
Anyone who engages in a debate with someone who claims that Egyptians are Caucasian should have his head examined.

This post is so funny. hahaha You have truly lived up to your name.

Are you GR's new play thing?

[yialousa1971]

Anyone who engages in a debate with someone who claims that Egyptians are Caucasian should have his head examined.

Yaloser, stick to what you do best like picking your nose and flicking it on your screen to see if you can hit me!

This thread is about the ancient Egyptians, the modern ones are a mix due to the Islamic slave trade. What ones are you talking about?

[yialousa1971]

No, I just seek the truth. You, yialousa1971, just can't stand the idea that not all Egyptians were white. They weren't!!!!! What about the regular Egyptians? Do u think that they were Greek too? I have to agree with Oracle's post that Egyptians were a mixed race of European and African. Some probably were only African. This is why there are so many shades of their skin colour. The Ptolemies were suppose to be Greek. So what? That doesn't magically turn the general (real) populace into their race! For example if aliens came to earth and rule for 300 yrs, do humans suddenly turn into being aliens because their rulers are aliens? NO[/list]

Tell me why you miss quoted Herodotus? Having a sun tan does not equate to being a Negroe!

[maya01]

And why haven't u answered my many questions!!!!! You're just talking about last dynasty of Egypt. What about the many before? There were the real Egyptians. The Ptolemaic Dynasty was Greek. So, you're saying that all ancient Egyptians were Greeks??? Also, whats so bad about being black?

[yialousa1971]

You can't actually believe that all Egyptians were Mediterranean. The last dynasty was Ptolemaic (Greek), but this was in a long line of 31 other dynasties that weren't. Also Cleopatra's sister's body was found and she was part black. Cleopatra was the only person in her entire dynasty that actually learnt the Egyptian language. Just because there was a Greco/Roman ruling period that doesn't mean the local population of people were of this race. Ammianus Marcellinus (325/330-after 391) was a Greco-Roman historian said that "the men of Egypt are mostly brown and black with a skinny and desiccated look". Greek historian Herodotus said Egyptians had "black skins and kinky hair". Aristotle stated that the hair of Egyptians was curlier than that of other nations.

You can't deny that the Egyptians are a halfway house between Africans and Europeans and further north, the Greeks are a halfway house between Egyptians and Scandinavians. This continuum, with subtle gradations of morphological features, traces our migration out of Africa.

The Greeks in Egypt tended not to mix (matrimonially) with the locals. As you say, Cleopatra was the first of the Ptolemies to even learn Egyptian. But you can extrapolate that several thousand years before that historical period (maybe 50,000) the people who travelled towards Greece and the rest of Europe would have looked more like the Egyptians do today, until they lost their environmentally necessary darker skins and curly hair, whilst reaching cooler climes.

Egyptians today are mixed due to the Islamic slave trade, fact!

There is no agreement on the exact number of black slaves in Egypt during the latter
half of the nineteenth century, when the trade in slaves from the Sudan reached its peak.
Gabriel Baer wrote that while it was impossible to establish the exact number of slaves in
Egypt at any time in that century, he could estimate—on the basis of contemporary British
accounts, the census of 1850 and from the records of the Slave Trade Bureaux established
after the Anglo-Egyptian Convention in 1877—that throughout the century the number of
slaves remained between 20,000 and 30,000.27 Judith Tucker never arrived at a total figure
of slaves, although she posited that between 1877 and 1905, 25,000 slaves were manu
mitted in Egypt.28 The majority of African slaves in Egypt were women who served as domestic
workers in private homes, although in upper Egypt there were documented examples of
agricultural slavery, and many slaves were recruited for military service early in the century
as well.29
There was a well-established hierarchy of labor which constructed the work and world
of the slave in Egypt in the nineteenth century, itself a construction of stereo
typing about the qualities of different races and ethnicities. White Circassian women were
at the top of this ladder and were welcomed into the harems of the wealthiest and most
prestigious households. Ethiopian women came next, bought often as concubines for the
middle class. They were not prized for their household work as were other African women,
who came lower on the scale.30 There is, surprisingly, much less information about the
nature of black males slaves’ work in Egypt in the late nineteenth century. After the
resolution of the American Civil War, when Egypt’s cotton industry faced intense competition,
the large-scale plantation projects that the Khedive Isma’il had encouraged, and on
which black slaves were employed, shrank. Little record is left about the future of work for
those slaves.

http://www.sss.ias.edu/files/papers/paper13.pdf

[yialousa1971]

And why haven't u answered my many questions!!!!! You're just talking about last dynasty of Egypt. What about the many before? There were the real Egyptians. The Ptolemaic Dynasty was Greek. So, you're saying that all ancient Egyptians were Greeks??? Also, whats so bad about being black?

Sorry you need to learn to read, the thread is about ancient Egyptians, it was you that brought up the "Ptolemaic Dynasty". Why did you miss quote "Herodotus", I'll tell you why you got it from a Afrocentric site didn't you. The ancient Egyptians were Mediterranean, a sub race of the Caucasian race!

Are you black?

[yialousa1971]

The biological affinities of the ancient Egyptians were tested against their neighbors and selected prehistoric groups as well as against samples representing the major geographic population clusters of
the world. Two dozen craniofacial measurements were taken on each individual used. The raw measurements were converted into C scores and used to produce Euclidean distance dendrograms. The measurements were principally of adaptively trivial traits that display patterns of regional similarities
based solely on genetic relationships. The Predynastic of Upper Egypt and the Late Dynastic of Lower Egypt are more closely related to each other than to any other population. As a whole, they show ties with the European Neolithic, North Africa, modern Europe, and, more remotely, India, but not at all with sub-Saharan Africa, eastern Asia, Oceania, or the New World.

[maya01]

We're not talking about today's Egyptians. We're talking about ancient Egypt. So, let me get this straight....you're saying that from the 1st to the 31st dynasty were all Greek people???? FYI, the Greek dynasty was the 32nd. What about the ones before?

[yialousa1971]

We're not talking about today's Egyptians. We're talking about ancient Egypt. So, let me get this straight....you're saying that from the 1st to the 31st dynasty were all Greek people???? FYI, the Greek dynasty was the 32nd. What about the ones before?

Either learn to read or go away!

I said "The ancient Egyptians were Mediterranean, a sub race of the Caucasian race! The Mediterranean race exists all over Europe".

[maya01]

You r such a childish ignorant person. You have to learn not to make generalizations. If u want to say the 32nd dynasty was Greek fine!!!! But, don't just say "ancient Egypt".