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[denizaksulu]

What Yfresko below says is doubtless true, but I did not misunderstand Kikapu's response (Otto mentality).

YFred wrote:

The problem arises when you attack the Ottomans for something which they were not.
It is very well recognised internationally that the Ottoman Police force in effect the Yenicheries were almost exclusively non-Turk (foreigners). It is also well known that the Queens which was the real power in them days as is now with the Turkish communities world over except Kazakhstan (Women ruled) were also of foreign extraction. Last but not least the Vezirs which was the next level down in terms of power were also from the empire - not a Turk.
Now t Turkish this and Turkish that lark started after the demise of the Ottoman empire.
So by all means enlighten and amuse us with your thoughts but at least get the core subject matter correct please.

Kikapu says:

My reference to "Ottoman Mentality" was meant for the privileges given to Turks over others, even in the same country amongst their other fellow citizens who are not Turks, that’s all.!

[YFred]

What Yfresko below says is doubtless true, but I did not misunderstand Kikapu's response (Otto mentality).

YFred wrote:

The problem arises when you attack the Ottomans for something which they were not.
It is very well recognised internationally that the Ottoman Police force in effect the Yenicheries were almost exclusively non-Turk (foreigners). It is also well known that the Queens which was the real power in them days as is now with the Turkish communities world over except Kazakhstan (Women ruled) were also of foreign extraction. Last but not least the Vezirs which was the next level down in terms of power were also from the empire - not a Turk.
Now t Turkish this and Turkish that lark started after the demise of the Ottoman empire.
So by all means enlighten and amuse us with your thoughts but at least get the core subject matter correct please.

Kikapu says:

My reference to "Ottoman Mentality" was meant for the privileges given to Turks over others, even in the same country amongst their other fellow citizens who are not Turks, that’s all.!

So what Kicks bey is implying that even a common Turk had more privileges than a vezir? I think not.

[denizaksulu]

What Yfresko below says is doubtless true, but I did not misunderstand Kikapu's response (Otto mentality).

YFred wrote:

The problem arises when you attack the Ottomans for something which they were not.
It is very well recognised internationally that the Ottoman Police force in effect the Yenicheries were almost exclusively non-Turk (foreigners). It is also well known that the Queens which was the real power in them days as is now with the Turkish communities world over except Kazakhstan (Women ruled) were also of foreign extraction. Last but not least the Vezirs which was the next level down in terms of power were also from the empire - not a Turk.
Now t Turkish this and Turkish that lark started after the demise of the Ottoman empire.
So by all means enlighten and amuse us with your thoughts but at least get the core subject matter correct please.

Kikapu says:

My reference to "Ottoman Mentality" was meant for the privileges given to Turks over others, even in the same country amongst their other fellow citizens who are not Turks, that’s all.!

So what Kicks bey is implying that even a common Turk had more privileges than a vezir? I think not.

You do make funny comparisons, I think that is due to your sense of humour.

Once you had the sunnet, you were considered a 'Turk'. In Otto times a Turks word was more powerful than a non-Turks word; now that was the 'truth', even if the Turk was lying through his teeth.

I am jelous of you addressing Kiks as Bey. It was very comert of you. I like the change. Perhaps Kiks will reciprocate.

[YFred]

What Yfresko below says is doubtless true, but I did not misunderstand Kikapu's response (Otto mentality).

YFred wrote:

The problem arises when you attack the Ottomans for something which they were not.
It is very well recognised internationally that the Ottoman Police force in effect the Yenicheries were almost exclusively non-Turk (foreigners). It is also well known that the Queens which was the real power in them days as is now with the Turkish communities world over except Kazakhstan (Women ruled) were also of foreign extraction. Last but not least the Vezirs which was the next level down in terms of power were also from the empire - not a Turk.
Now t Turkish this and Turkish that lark started after the demise of the Ottoman empire.
So by all means enlighten and amuse us with your thoughts but at least get the core subject matter correct please.

Kikapu says:

My reference to "Ottoman Mentality" was meant for the privileges given to Turks over others, even in the same country amongst their other fellow citizens who are not Turks, that’s all.!

So what Kicks bey is implying that even a common Turk had more privileges than a vezir? I think not.

You do make funny comparisons, I think that is due to your sense of humour.

Once you had the sunnet, you were considered a 'Turk'. In Otto times a Turks word was more powerful than a non-Turks word; now that was the 'truth', even if the Turk was lying through his teeth.

I am jelous of you addressing Kiks as Bey. It was very comert of you. I like the change. Perhaps Kiks will reciprocate.

I wouldn't hold my breath for that one, unless you are a whale and even then only for 20 minutes.

[denizaksulu]

What Yfresko below says is doubtless true, but I did not misunderstand Kikapu's response (Otto mentality).

YFred wrote:

The problem arises when you attack the Ottomans for something which they were not.
It is very well recognised internationally that the Ottoman Police force in effect the Yenicheries were almost exclusively non-Turk (foreigners). It is also well known that the Queens which was the real power in them days as is now with the Turkish communities world over except Kazakhstan (Women ruled) were also of foreign extraction. Last but not least the Vezirs which was the next level down in terms of power were also from the empire - not a Turk.
Now t Turkish this and Turkish that lark started after the demise of the Ottoman empire.
So by all means enlighten and amuse us with your thoughts but at least get the core subject matter correct please.

Kikapu says:

My reference to "Ottoman Mentality" was meant for the privileges given to Turks over others, even in the same country amongst their other fellow citizens who are not Turks, that’s all.!

So what Kicks bey is implying that even a common Turk had more privileges than a vezir? I think not.

You do make funny comparisons, I think that is due to your sense of humour.

Once you had the sunnet, you were considered a 'Turk'. In Otto times a Turks word was more powerful than a non-Turks word; now that was the 'truth', even if the Turk was lying through his teeth.

I am jelous of you addressing Kiks as Bey. It was very comert of you. I like the change. Perhaps Kiks will reciprocate.

I wouldn't hold my breath for that one, unless you are a whale and even then only for 20 minutes.

Well, lets wait and see what the cat will drag in.

[YFred]

What Yfresko below says is doubtless true, but I did not misunderstand Kikapu's response (Otto mentality).

YFred wrote:

The problem arises when you attack the Ottomans for something which they were not.
It is very well recognised internationally that the Ottoman Police force in effect the Yenicheries were almost exclusively non-Turk (foreigners). It is also well known that the Queens which was the real power in them days as is now with the Turkish communities world over except Kazakhstan (Women ruled) were also of foreign extraction. Last but not least the Vezirs which was the next level down in terms of power were also from the empire - not a Turk.
Now t Turkish this and Turkish that lark started after the demise of the Ottoman empire.
So by all means enlighten and amuse us with your thoughts but at least get the core subject matter correct please.

Kikapu says:

My reference to "Ottoman Mentality" was meant for the privileges given to Turks over others, even in the same country amongst their other fellow citizens who are not Turks, that’s all.!

So what Kicks bey is implying that even a common Turk had more privileges than a vezir? I think not.

You do make funny comparisons, I think that is due to your sense of humour.

Once you had the sunnet, you were considered a 'Turk'. In Otto times a Turks word was more powerful than a non-Turks word; now that was the 'truth', even if the Turk was lying through his teeth.

I am jelous of you addressing Kiks as Bey. It was very comert of you. I like the change. Perhaps Kiks will reciprocate.

I wouldn't hold my breath for that one, unless you are a whale and even then only for 20 minutes.

Well, lets wait and see what the cat will drag in.

Let us hope it's not something unsavory as I am about to eat my dinner.

[denizaksulu]

What Yfresko below says is doubtless true, but I did not misunderstand Kikapu's response (Otto mentality).

YFred wrote:

The problem arises when you attack the Ottomans for something which they were not.
It is very well recognised internationally that the Ottoman Police force in effect the Yenicheries were almost exclusively non-Turk (foreigners). It is also well known that the Queens which was the real power in them days as is now with the Turkish communities world over except Kazakhstan (Women ruled) were also of foreign extraction. Last but not least the Vezirs which was the next level down in terms of power were also from the empire - not a Turk.
Now t Turkish this and Turkish that lark started after the demise of the Ottoman empire.
So by all means enlighten and amuse us with your thoughts but at least get the core subject matter correct please.

Kikapu says:

My reference to "Ottoman Mentality" was meant for the privileges given to Turks over others, even in the same country amongst their other fellow citizens who are not Turks, that’s all.!

So what Kicks bey is implying that even a common Turk had more privileges than a vezir? I think not.

You do make funny comparisons, I think that is due to your sense of humour.

Once you had the sunnet, you were considered a 'Turk'. In Otto times a Turks word was more powerful than a non-Turks word; now that was the 'truth', even if the Turk was lying through his teeth.

I am jelous of you addressing Kiks as Bey. It was very comert of you. I like the change. Perhaps Kiks will reciprocate.

I wouldn't hold my breath for that one, unless you are a whale and even then only for 20 minutes.

Well, lets wait and see what the cat will drag in.

Let us hope it's not something unsavory as I am about to eat my dinner.

Me too and the aroma of the salmon is wafting through the dining room.

Off I go.

titepa nob.

[Kikapu]

@ Expatkiwi,

Why did you leave out the words "and should be Turk" on page 2 in your response to Halil.??

Policemen of a country should be citizens of that country, but apart from educational and physical requirements, should not be restricted to any one ethnic group. I suppose that in the TRNC, all policemen should be able to understand and speak Turkish, but thats as far as it should go IMHO.

You are not answering my question, Expat. The question is, why did you delete the words "and should be Turk" from Halil's original post when you responded to him on page 2.?

To address your point above however, let just say that forum member, Tim Drayton, who is an Englishman but does speak Turkish better than most TCs on the forum and becomes a "citizen" of the "trnc", but the fact that he is not a Turk, he will be denied being a police officer and more than likely denied any other state jobs, just because he is not a Turk. Don't you think this is a Racist policy set at state level and the whole of the "trnc" that you support is nothing but a Racist and a Fascistic "country".? What does that say about you and all those who support such Racist and Fascistic regimes when only a Turk is allowed to these jobs over any other citizens of the "trnc".? Any clues by any chance.??

[Get Real!]

You are not answering my question, Expat. The question is, why did you delete the words "and should be Turk" from Halil's original post when you responded to him on page 2.?

So Expat was caught with his pants down eh? Not the first time either…

[-mikkie2-]

"What does that say about you and all those who support such Racist and Fascistic regimes when only a Turk is allowed to these jobs over any other citizens of the "trnc".? Any clues by any chance.??"

Pontless exercise Kikapu. An unrecognised and isolated regime can do what it likes. When the north does join the civilized world you just wait and see how the EU will come down on such racist provisions, even if we agree to such things as part of a solution!

Let me give you a small example from the UK - The BNP (British National Party) which is basically a fascist organisation, would only allow members to be 'indigenous' British - meaning white caucasian. The BNP was recently taken to court as its constitution breaks fundamental UK laws regarding race and the party was forced to accept non-whites as members!